Up for Debate: Obama and Boehner meet

Monday, December 10, 2012 at 12:58am

On the same day President Barack Obama met in person with House Speaker John Boehner, Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker came out as in favor for raising taxes on the top 2 percent of households as a bargaining tool for deeper spending cuts on social programs. What do you think about these two developments in the ongoing back and forth regarding the fiscal cliff?

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By: yogiman on 12/10/12 at 5:31

Interesting. I understand the Alabama Supreme Court has agreed to hear a case involving Barack Obama's Constitutional eligibility for office because so many questions have been raised. It looks like the Alabama Supreme Court has a Constitutional loving judge sitting on it.

But why a state supreme court? Why has the US Supreme Court refused the number of cases that have been brought before them? Doesn't any of them love, or even know, the Constitution?

Obviously, that birth certificate released by Obama was built on a computer, not printed on a typewriter in 1961.

By: yogiman on 12/10/12 at 5:41

More interest. I just read where the Communist Party USA is backing Obama's position on the "coming fiscal cliff".

Wasn't registered Communist Party USA member Frank Marshall Davis Barry Obama's communist mentor as a favor to his grandparents?

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 7:02

Good morning, Nashville.

What do you think about these two developments in the ongoing back and forth regarding the fiscal cliff?

Boehner, Corker and the GOP are playing with fiscal fire; they could end up self-immolating and they could torch the inflammable recovery.

Like marionettes on strings, those two highly-compromised lawmakers are beholden to the corporate special interests that finance their election campaigns. It's a puppet show; nothing more and nothing less.

IMO, President Obama should let the GOP stand their ground on protecting the wealth of the wealthy....when we go over the "cliff", Boehner et al. will rightfully get the blame....they'll have some explaining to do to the folks back home.

Since the "fiscal cliff" is probably nothing more than a speed bump, Obama will look like the savior, when the economy rebounds, in spite of all the GOP schemes and shenanigans.

If Americans are incapable of making a 10% sacrifice, to keep our credit rating intact, then we are no longer the land of the free and the home of the brave. Have we become a nation of spoiled rotten cry-babies?

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 7:07

No matter what the NCP topic of the day, our resident Obama-hater finds a way to bring up the birther BS....Yogi's daily public displays of mental illness are not really entertaining or funny....they are pathetic and boringly annoying....this once-great internet site has been seriously degraded by deranged trolls....and that is a doggone shame.

By: bfra on 12/10/12 at 7:14

Loner - Agree on both of your comments. It is a shame the NCP even lets some of the BS the troll puts on this site remain. Traitor comments should no be allowed.

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 7:25

In England, in London's Hyde Park, there's a spot called, "Speakers Corner"....it's an ancient British tradition to allow citizens to vent their feelings and views at Speaker's Corner. When I was in the US Army, I visited the Park and listened to the "speakers".

Speaker's Corner had degraded into a gathering place of ranting extremists, virulent nut-jobs and weirdos...or so it seemed to me at the time (1968). The original idea was good, but then the lunatics usurped and co-opted the idea.

The internet comment boards have become a "Speaker's Corner" for the entire online world. And like the original, I'm afraid that what started out as a platform for cogent dialogue and argumentation has quickly evolved into a jungle of trolls, haters, perverts and con-men. The "golden Age" of the free internet was a brief one.

By: gdiafante on 12/10/12 at 7:30

Yeah, it couldn't be because a "birther" is Chief Justice...lol

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/11/birther-judge-elected-chief-justice-of-the-alabama-supreme-court/

IMO, President Obama should let the GOP stand their ground on protecting the wealth of the wealthy....when we go over the "cliff", Boehner et al. will rightfully get the blame....they'll have some explaining to do to the folks back home.

Since the "fiscal cliff" is probably nothing more than a speed bump, Obama will look like the savior, when the economy rebounds, in spite of all the GOP schemes and shenanigans.

To hell with that Loner, you do realize that every American citizen will be affected if we go off the "cliff"? I'm not prepared to sacrifice what little steam this economy has going just so people can score political points. That's absurd.

And it's going to be a little more than just a "speed bump"...you should really look into the cuts that are coming if nothing's done.

Washington is just going to have to suck it up...both sides are going to have to accept a few things they may not like.

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 7:38

Good morning, Bfra....I like the idea of free speech on a comment board....and terms Of Service are probably necessary .....but, unless the TOS are enforced, internet boards become cow-pie-flinging contests.

The NCP allows all kinds of commentary, in real time, with nearly zero "moderation"....that's a great thing, but, with that sort of freedom, it's only a question of time before the nut-jobs drive the reasonable people away....finding the right blend of freedom and discipline is the vexing & difficult part for those who host these boards.

Does Yogi have the right to hate BHO? Of course. Does Yogi have the right to poison the atmosphere and drive away the NCP's posting community? That's up to our benevolent host to decide.

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 7:40

You have your opinion, Gd, and I have mine. Diversity is good.

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 7:45

I'm not an accredited, bona fide, financial wizard; but, in my humble opinion, If we go "over the cliff" and enter into a period of "austerity lite"; our national credit rating will be bolstered, not degraded.....if we kick the can down the road, our credit rating will be in serious jeopardy, once again.

The Bush tax cuts have been robbing Peter to pay Paul for twelve years straight.....time to get religion.....or go to Hell.

By: gdiafante on 12/10/12 at 7:48

I asked you a question, Loner. Do you understand the extent of the cuts that are to take place if a deal isn't complete? We're talking about agencies not having enough money to fund their programs...which means a cut in benefits and furloughs or outright unemployment.

We're already in a tenuous recovery, why would we want to go backwards?

By: gdiafante on 12/10/12 at 7:50

I agree about the tax cuts, always have, but at the same time as draconian spending cuts? No thanks.

By: treehugger7 on 12/10/12 at 8:24

I can't believe I am saying this, but I am really proud of Bob Corker. He is the voice of sanity in the Senate. I hope his sanity is catching. . What happened to the repub mantra : Elections have consequences! Now this is being illustrated for the repubs, since they haven't accepted it yet. Suck it up, republicans.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/10/12 at 8:45

Corker surprised me as well.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/10/12 at 8:45

Why do we still have the payroll tax cuts? That doesn't make sense.

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 8:54

Yes, I generally understand that which I post about, Gd. I made my comments and stand by them.

Today is another Protest Monday, I made up some new signage...I added the Cross, the Magen David and the Islamic Crescent symbols to my text: HOLY WARS SUCK.

And I added another sign, with this new text: NO MORE HOLY WAR. Two different signs...same goal: to make regular Americans aware that the US is engaged in fighting the neo-crusades...the Great Theocratic Wars of the 20th & 21st Centuries....same goal as before: to liberate the Holy Land from the Mohammedans.

Some things never change....only now, the religious squabble could easily spark a thermo-nuclear global war....I'm doing what I can to stop the madness.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/10/12 at 9:00

Another day and it is still all about yogi.

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By: gdiafante on 12/10/12 at 9:02

Blanket, that was just throwing the middle class a bone. It's not really enough to make a difference, IMO.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/10/12 at 9:05

I understand that. However, any revenue we can get coming in for SS and Medicare will help and it doesn't really do anything significant for the tax payer.

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 9:19

Apparently, I am not alone in my opinion that the "fiscal cliff" is being hyped and exploited by fear-mongers and hustlers. Here are some credible sources and snippets:

Source:
http://www.minyanville.com/business-news/politics-and-regulation/articles/fiscal-cliff-gdp-spending-stock-returns/11/8/2012/id/45682

Snippet:
In summary, the United States should keep the revenues as a percentage of GDP at less than 18.91% a year and reduce spending as a percentage of GDP to below 17.75% a year.

As for equities, ignore the fiscal cliff myth and ride the fiscal rocket.

And this:

Source:
http://www.startribune.com/business/yourmoney/182577061.html?refer=y

Snippet:
The message in much of the frenzied commentary was that the average investor is going to get hammered -- deal or no deal. You have to do something to protect your money, right?

I don't think so. The tax situation for 2013 could change dramatically, or not. Yes, I've read stories with all kinds of scary arithmetic about deductions, capital gains and ordinary-income rates. Problem is, no one making those calculations knows what's going to happen.

That said, the lesson in the current frenzy is that the typical household and average investor shouldn't do much, if anything, in response. Despite the looming fiscal cliff, upheaval in the Middle East and the ongoing euro mess, the Standard & Poor's 500 index is down only 3.3 percent from its cyclical high reached in September, notes economist Ed Yardeni. For another, rash decisions made at moments like this usually don't pay off.

We could be wrong...financial Armageddon could ensue if no "deal" is reached....but we don't think so....some of the cooler heads are opting out of the stampede...they're not rushing to jump off the cliff with the other lemmings....I'm going with those guys, not the panicked herd.

By: gdiafante on 12/10/12 at 9:29

Yeah, loner, just remember, yogi isn't alone either. A herd is a herd.

My guess is that the same people who didn't think our credit would be downgraded now think this is no big deal. I, however, do not want to see more people unemployed or people who need benefits be cutout. I also believe that the United States needs to honor its obligations. You may not agree with deficit spending, but that's the system in place.

I can find nothing more reckless and irresponsible than for our "leaders" to do nothing.

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 9:35

Hustlers worked the Y2-K deal...they are working the "Fiscal Cliff" in the same manner...and there's the Mayan End Times Prophecy too...on the upcoming Winter Solstice. If we factor in the widespread GOP Sore-loseritis...and the Christian media machinery into all this...and If we factor in the ability for an internet-enhanced "Joe Blow" to affect financial markets like never before, then yeah, mass hysteria could grip the denizens of the fruited plain. The herd could stampede over the cliff.

A self-fulfilled prophecy of economic disaster could come to pass....but my crystalline spheres of clairvoyance are not indicating that....the "cliff" is austerity lite....not tasty, but medicinal.

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 9:40

Gd, I do not want to see mass suffering either. But the tax-break-merry-go-round ride lasted 12 years and the old carousel is coming to a stop...if we want to ride that thing again, we'll have to pay for another ticket.

Ben Dover was right...he said that once you've been generous, it's very hard to be fair.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/10/12 at 9:42

The truth is that the Mayan Mason ran out of stone. lol

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 9:46

If federal social welfare benefits are cut by 10%, the faith-based charities can step up to the plate and make up the difference...they've been whining about their roles being eclipse, usurped and co-opted d by government for years...let them now put up....or STFU.

State governments could also act to mitigate any suffering caused by Uncle Sam's lack of generosity.....let the fifty states come to the old man's aid, instead of fleecing the tired, tapped-out, old guy.

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 9:48

That's one theory, Cap'n...another is that the stone cutters and scribes were on their lunch break when the Conquistadors arrived....they were rounded up and sent to Spain...and sold as novel, designer slaves....they went for top dollar.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/10/12 at 9:50

What I have been doing for the 8yrs is planing to take the best path for myself no matter which direction the country goes. It worked for me during the Reagan, Bush (41 &43) era. We did not make much headway financially, but we did not fall behind.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/10/12 at 9:55

I heard that theory too Loner, but this was long before the Conquerors arrived. Maybe it was another bunch of European bandits.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/10/12 at 9:59

Did you know that the Mayans invented the zero and they were considered by the church as savages and uneducated?

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 10:00

The USA should lead by example...instead of issuing stern warnings about austerity to the other developed nations, maybe we ought to practice what we preach?

How can we ask the people in Greece, for example, to clean up their fiscal act, when we balk at something far less painful than what we expect them to endure?

Here is a link to a sobering article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/9730434/The-West-is-signing-its-own-death-sentence.html

Snippet:

This picture of the perfect society – in which disparities of wealth are eradicated and economic equality is maintained through a vastly complex and expensive system of state intervention – has been the explicit goal of the EU virtually since its inception. It had an on-again, off-again history in Britain until it was locked firmly into the political infrastructure by Gordon Brown. More unexpectedly, it has now taken root in the American political culture, where Mr Obama seems determined to exploit it in his blood-curdling contest with the Republicans. Once ensconced, this concept undermines the logic of the free-market economy which funds it.

It's hard to refute the author's unpleasant conclusions....something's gotta give.

By: gdiafante on 12/10/12 at 10:07

Willfully leading the country back into a recession isn't my idea of leadership. As usual, some people can see past our national boundaries and think that there are no global consequences to inaction.

And, when you break it down to basics, it still just puts off the actual job of reforming entitlements, tax codes, etc, to another generation. Yeah, that's leadership.

By: yogiman on 12/10/12 at 10:08

I agree, Loner, you have your right and I have mine: To love, despise or hate. I don't hate Obama for being a man, I hate him for his usurpation of my nation.

I understand our founders made a couple of bad mistakes when they rebelled again the British empire for our freedom. But I'm thankful they made their rebellion for my nation to give me the freedoms I have. First, they probably felt everyone would know what a natural born citizen was; a child born to two American citizens. Not one born with a Kenyan British subject his father. Second, with their agreement to slavery in our nation (theirs, back then). Damn them, we've been paying for that mistake ever since. When will our heirs succeed to get it stopped so they can have a little more money in their pockets?

Call me what you wish. I call myself a Constitutional loving American citizen and I'm going to follow the oath I took when I joined the U. S. Navy: Protect my nation to the best of my ability, willing to give my life for it. I know I took my oath before you took yours so it must have been different than the one you took when you joined the U. S. Army.

I'll repeat the question I asked yesterday. If you was running for an office that required you to be a natural born citizen, would you spend just 20 bucks for a copy of your birth certificate to prove you was legally eligible for that office, or would you spend millions to tell the citizens you was asking to vote for you to represent them it was none of their damn business whether you was qualified or not?

By: gdiafante on 12/10/12 at 10:10

Give it up yogi, I've proven your assertions wrong. Time to move on. chop chop

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 10:20

By: Captain Nemo on 12/10/12 at 8:55

I heard that theory too Loner, but this was long before the Conquerors arrived. Maybe it was another bunch of European bandits.

Sounds like the handiwork of the Lamanites, Captain.

Who dat?...one might ask.

Snippet:

The name Lamanite refers to an Israelite people spoken of in the Book of Mormon, who were descendants of Lehi and Ishmael, both of whom were descendants of Joseph of Egypt (1 Ne. 5:14). They were part of the prophet Lehi's colony, which was commanded of the Lord to leave Jerusalem and go to a new Promised Land (in the Western Hemisphere). The Lamanite peoples in the Book of Mormon during the first 600 years of their history are all linked in some way to laman and Lemuel, Lehi's oldest sons. At times the name refers to "the people of Laman"; at other times it can identify unbelievers and ignore ancestral lines, depending on contextual specifics regarding peoples, time, and place.

Source:

http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Lamanites

Israelite peoples colonizing the new world, in Biblical Times, would certainly have relieved the pagan stone-cutters & scribes of their duties....and their lives, their gold, their cattle, their women etc.....modern-day Israelites colonizing Palestine are facing a similar problem in fulfilling their destiny....first the Lamanites....now the Islamists....Oy!.....Holy Wars Suck.

Good thing that a guy who believes in the Lamanites is not our POTUS.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 12/10/12 at 10:20

yogi, did you have a hemispherectomy?

By: yogiman on 12/10/12 at 10:28

Loner,

You seem ready to accuse me for changing the subject NCP posted this morning. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall seeing many days when NCP's suggested subject wasn't even mentioned all day long. Not one post on their subject.

So; am I the only one wrong?

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 10:30

Yogi reminds me of a dog kept outside on a short chain....the grass is gone in the area in which the chained creature can move...it's now a muddy, arc, festooned with dog-shit....and the dog is howling mad. It's nothing short of pathetic....makes you want to call PETA.

Yogi can't break the hate-chain that keeps him from moving on and moving about freely. Whether this is the result of brain surgery or character flaw is a matter of conjecture...either way it's not a pretty sight, as he howls and defecates....it's disgusting.

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 10:33

Yogi, you went right into your tired birther rant right off the bat...you posted the first two comments and neither one addressed the NCP's topic of the day...you did not change the subject, you ignored it.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/10/12 at 10:40

Loner that dog is yapping "Let the little dog eat"

By: Loner on 12/10/12 at 10:44

Here's a video of Chris Wallace interviewing Senators Corker and Schumer...TN and NY respectively:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday-chris-wallace/2012/12/09/sens-schumer-corker-chances-fiscal-cliff-deal-israels-response-syrias-civil-war#p//v/2024842067001

Yes, this is a FOX clip, but it is informative.

By: slacker on 12/10/12 at 10:51

The Carpet's defeat the Laminate's, in the long, bloody battle of Covering's, in 101- B.C.
The Laminate's, led by the warrior ''Armstrong'', were outflanked by the Carpet leader ''Shag''.. in a small nook outside a hall closet.
The surviving Laminate prisoners, were thrown to their death, off the fiscal cliff.

By: yogiman on 12/10/12 at 10:52

It isn't unusual for the subject offered by NCP to be ignored, Loner. I've noticed it many times. So let me ask y'all another stupid question.

Since our founders rebelled and fought the Revolutionary War against the British Empire for our freedom, why did they place the specified requirements for the President and Vice-President of their new nation? I understood in history it was so no one with affiliation to another nation could become our president and use their favorite nations wishes to control the USA.

Did they mean it would be okay later for a Kenyan British Subject to come to the USA as a foreign student and impregnate an American girl to become the United States President? Is that why Barry refuses to identify himself? Because he doesn't feel it's any of our damn business who he is? And don't any of you care? Sorry, thought you might but I guess I was wrong.

By: yogiman on 12/10/12 at 10:54

gdiafante,

You seem to be an expert definer, how about looking up who the original "birthers" were.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/10/12 at 10:54

slack always has an interesting version or perversion of history. Glad your back.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/10/12 at 10:56

On the other hand yogi has IBS of the brain.

By: slacker on 12/10/12 at 10:58

Nemo, Brigham Young was a direct descendant of ''Shag''.. its in the book.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/10/12 at 11:07

I guess that I need to brush up on my history. Thanks slacker.

By: bfra on 12/10/12 at 11:09

yogi can't discuss anything else. If it isn't on a Trash Obama site, so he can cut & paste, he is a nauseating blank.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/10/12 at 11:11

I do remember some people believing that the lost trips of Israel were Indians. Maybe this is the people. Like I said I need to brush up on this subject.

By: yogiman on 12/10/12 at 11:12

Loner,

Explanation, please. It seems okay for you to hate Israel and the Jews, but I should love your man Barry and his fellow usurpers.

What gives you such accreditation but I'm a damn idiot for my thoughts on usurper in office?