Up for Debate: Obama takes recess

Friday, January 6, 2012 at 12:30am

What do you make of President Barack Obama's recess appointments? Fair play or "unprecedented power grab" as House Speaker John Boehner put it?

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119 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 11:42

It seems Emperor Soetoro used his usurpation power to make the appointments even thought Congress isn't in official recess.

By: yogiman on 1/5/12 at 11:46

Obama exposure #5 Pullback In The War On Terror
Obama has started a pullback of United States efforts in the war on terror, starting with an accelerated pullout of Irag that will embolden our enemies.

By: Mike Burch on 1/6/12 at 1:13

Yogi,

John McCain said that to finish the job in Iraq successfully, we would have to keep our troops in Iraq for "maybe" 100 years.

Do you think we should have kept our troops in Vietnam for 100 years?

Would keeping our troops in Iraq longer do any real good? Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. Our troops cannot bring democracy to Iraq. Even if they could, once Iraq has a democracy, Iraqis can elect someone like al-Sadr, who hates the U.S. with a passion. So either way, using our military in Iraq is a highly dubious endeavor.

Barack Obama was smart enough and wise enough to vote against the invasion of Iraq. Republicans were almost unanimous in voting for the invasion.

Why not admit that Obama makes much more sense than his detractors?

By: dargent7 on 1/6/12 at 5:16

Here we go again with the class clown, er, nutz...."usurpation".
It's what you're doing as you post and it's properly called, "masterbation".
But, with the frequency you engage, it does lead to blindness.

By: dargent7 on 1/6/12 at 6:07

Mike: You'd have more success encouraging paint to dry faster than "debating" a "yogi".
Let's just all pray Obama gets a 2nd term to prolong all of our lives and get a stay of execution from God. I'm quite sure The Almighty is getting sick of all this bullshit down here on a place He once called His "Michaelangelo".
If anyone of these tin-foil hat wearing twits in the Republican Party gain access to the W.H. they will destroy this country in their 1st hundred days.
Whether it be Romney, Gingrich...they cannot wait to show their cahones and bomb Iran.
As a follow up, overturn Roe v. Wade.
Sicko-s.

By: govskeptic on 1/6/12 at 6:50

No surprise at all in this appointment nor the 3 members added to
the Labor Relations Board. After 3 yrs of watching our unknown yet
warm smiling "bureaucratic tyrannt" change ever Constitutional
restrain he disagrees with, and there are many, we should not be
surprised. The real story is "You ain't seen nothing yet"!

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 6:57

Good morning, Nashville!

I didn't like "recess appointments" under Junior Bush, therefore I cannot condone them now, under Obama. They are an abuse of presidential power, when used as they are today.

I Googled it, Junior Bush made several recess appointments during his 8-year reign:

According to the Congressional Research Service, President Bill Clinton made 139 recess appointments. President George W. Bush made 171 recess appointments, and as of December 8, 2011, President Barack Obama had made 28 recess appointments.

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recess_appointment

Are "recess appointments" legal? Yes. Here's the deal:

Recess appointments are authorized by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which states:

"The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

(Same source.)

The same Republican politicians who said nothing about this stuff when Bush was in power are now clamoring for Obama's head. Pure theater....meanwhile, Rome burns.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 7:01

Good morning.

Our historian is now very good at history is he? LOL

According to reports from the Congressional Research Service, during their time in office:

President Ronald Reagan made 240 recess appointments,

President George H. W. Bush made 77 recess appointments,

President Bill Clinton made 140 recess appointments,

George W. Bush made 171.

Obama's first term has seen a paltry 28.

http://progressiveerupts.blogspot.com/2012/01/recess-appointments-by-us-presidents.html

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 7:03

You got to it before I did Loner, but it is the same message.

Great minds..

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 7:08

Now gov what ain’t we seen yet?

By: gdiafante on 1/6/12 at 7:15

It seems to me that Obama was well within Constitutional parameters in making the appointments. It is also apparent that yogi and gov just want to whine.

I'm shocked.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 7:18

Welcome to the board Mike Burch...good morning, Yogi, Darge and Gov...it's a beautiful morning here....34F right now...supposed to go up to 47F today...I may take the big thumper out for a "January thaw" ride...roads are clear, not a lot of salt/gravel has been laid down this year for traction; that means safer riding...the gravel is like mini ball-bearings....bikers avoid it when possible.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 7:19

Gdia How are you. It is good to your post.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 7:20

And good morning GD and Cap'n Nemo....you're right....great minds...I'll pat your back, you pat mine....LOL.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 7:26

One way to stop recess appointment abuse might be to keep the Senate in session full time - no recesses for the collective - individuals would take their vacation time at their own political peril.....let's work these millionaires round the clock, 365 days a year....they are raking in the dough, let's make them earn it.

They talk about a work ethic, let's see some leadership in that area.

By: Moonglow1 on 1/6/12 at 7:30

Moonglow1: It is fair play. Bush father, crack-head son, and Reagan top the list for making recess appointments. It is not news. It is Tea Nut propaganda to make this an issue. The Tea Nuts should not have blocked the appointment in the first place. Obama should fight harder and stop pandering to these Tea Nut radicals.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 7:33

I just wish if someone was going to debate this subject that they would attempt to get the facts correct.

By: Kosh III on 1/6/12 at 7:35

Enjoy your ride Loner.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 7:39

Amen, brother Moonglow! 'tis a tempest in a teapot....lots of steam, stewing and brewing.

Yes, Obama should get his advanced spelunking certificate, he has caved on just about every major issue....last Saturday he signed the hugely expensive and hugely expansive Defense Spending bill that allows the military to detain US citizens w/o charge, indefinitely and it also declared economic warfare on Iran...two things the president said that he did not like in the bill...but he signed it anyway....Spelunker-In-Chief.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 7:40

Thanks, Kosh and good morning to you too.

By: sidneyames on 1/6/12 at 7:51

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 7:01
Good morning.
Our historian is now very good at history is he? LOL
According to reports from the Congressional Research Service, during their time in office:
President Ronald Reagan made 240 recess appointments,
President George H. W. Bush made 77 recess appointments,
President Bill Clinton made 140 recess appointments,
George W. Bush made 171.
Obama's first term has seen a paltry 28.
http://progressiveerupts.blogspot.com/2012/01/recess-appointments-by-us-presidents.html

I would withhold an opinion until I saw exactly what the "recess appointments" were for. That would, and should, make a difference in agreeing or not agreeing.

Loner, you said "bill that allows the military to detain US citizens w/o charge, indefinitely" and I can assure you, this is the plan. Fits right into his agenda, don't 'cha think? Yep, get ready boys, it's coming.

By: yogiman on 1/6/12 at 7:51

Good morning, y'all,

No Mike, I don't believe we should think about keeping our troops in Iraq for 100 years. Because of their strike on the towers, I fell we should have knocked the hell out of them and come home. I also don't think we should have kept our troops in Vietnam for the 10 years they were there.

McCain's comment is McCain. The only major difference I could see between McCain and "Obama" is McCain would have been in that office legally as a natural born citizen.

By: Moonglow1 on 1/6/12 at 7:55

Moonglow1: Hey Yogi, speaking of the unilateral wars, it took a real man, a democrat to get Osama. All I heard from Bush was "I will get him dead or alive!!" Yadda yadda yadda on and on and on... Even his wife said enough already...

Also some people believe 9-11 was an inside job. Cheney was whisked away quickly and Bush kept his focus on "My Pet Goat. " Never trust a Neo-Con.

Bush did not bomb Libya because it's dictator had a "thing" for Condi Rice. So did Bush.

Bush, Romney, crazy Santorum, maniac Newt, whacked out Bachmann all super crazy!! Where is Cheney? Hiding out in his "bunker.". I hear he built a new home near the CIA. He probably patrols the tunnels at night with night goggles.

It's our luck that our generation was stuck with whack jobs who when in power ruined the country. Currently, the Tea Nuts have jokes for candidates who mock the political process due to their stupidity. . It is like we are stuck in a very dysfunctional video game.

By: Kosh III on 1/6/12 at 8:00

"in Iraq for 100 years. Because of their strike on the towers, "

Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11. It was mostly Saudis.

Guess what Daddy Bush was doing that morning: having a business meeting about OIL with a Saudi named bin-Laden; the father of Osama.

Wonder why we didn't attack Saudi Arabia? It a ruthless autocracy with far FAR less freedom than Iraq, even Iraq under Saddam Hussein.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 8:03

The War Super-Lobby crafted the Defense Spending bill that Obama signed last Saturday...in spite of his protestations and reservations about the wisdom and legality of some of the bill's provisions, he signed the thing....making some "signing statements"...like Junior Bush used to do and Obama used to deplore.

Now that the military has the power to snatch anyone of us and imprison us for the rest of our lives, without due process, the stage has been set for a truly nasty president to order purges of perceived enemies. Santorum could easily rationalize rounding up the dissidents and water-boarding them until they confess to whatever crime their interrogators choose.

Rick "Saint" Santorum is a religious fanatic and an eyeball-rolling Zionist.... and as we know, Holy Wars Suck....gonna suck Santorum right up to the top....this guy is raising a million per day, that may be enough, especially if a few Super PACs jump on the Santorum hay ride....why settle for a Mormon heretic, when Saint Santorum is ready, willing and able to carry the GOP-TP standard into battle? Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 8:03

sid, I did not make an opinion. I only clarify the inaccuracy of the two posts. Maybe you should read before you post.

By: Moonglow1 on 1/6/12 at 8:07

Moonglow1: hey Yogi, McCain was born in Panama.

Loner: I want Obama to stop pandering. He should not have signed that bill. I wonder who really runs this country. Perhaps the Israeli's (as you have implied) along with the CIA or the billionaires club. Who really knows who is driving the train.

By: gdiafante on 1/6/12 at 8:08

"No Mike, I don't believe we should think about keeping our troops in Iraq for 100 years. Because of their strike on the towers, I fell we should have knocked the hell out of them and come home."

Wrong. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. You are so completely misinformed it's embarrassing.

By: yogiman on 1/6/12 at 8:09

I hate to tell you this, dargent7, but your and your co-posters constitutional ignorance will be fully exposed this year.

Have you not wondered why Obama thought John McCain should be questioned and he shouldn't? Have you not wondered why he refused to be questioned when approached by the Senate?

Didn't think so.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 8:10

"in Iraq for 100 years. Because of their strike on the towers, "

More fractured history. LOL Not very bright.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 8:15

gdia-

I think it was yogi that made the Iraq inaccuracy. You know how he is with history.

By: govskeptic on 1/6/12 at 8:16

Sorry Loner: You are dead wrong on the Defense Spending bill being
opposed by the President concerning the detaining of US citizens
indefinitely,. He and the administration were the ones insisting that be
a part of the bill, even though there was opposition from both democrats
and republicans! This reported by their friendly Huffington Post.

By: Moonglow1 on 1/6/12 at 8:16

Moonglow1: Loner I agree about Santorum... He is the USA version of the Taliban. Any woman or man caught with contraceptive devices could be beheaded under a Santorum Presidency. He could be the catalyst for the next World War. He is a Tea Nut dream come true.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 8:17

If Israel thought that attacking the Saudis would advance their interests, we would have sent dozens of Tomahawks into the House of Saud's royal palaces before night fell on September 11, 2001. US troops would have gone ashore shortly thereafter...it would have been quick and decisive....the Saudi royals would have been caught flat-footed and slack-jawed....their pretty little air force would have been destroyed on the ground within hours of the 9-11 attacks....if Israel thought that is what the US should do...as we found out, they had other plans.

The Defense and Energy lobbies might have gone along with a strike on Saudi Arabia...but the Israelis craft US policy in the region, not the President of the USA....Defense and Energy defer to the Israelis on that regional stuff.

Defense, Israel and Energy agreed that Afghanistan and then Iraq were better targets, from their perspective...the Saudis got away with murder...we senselessly killed thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis in bloody revenge for the 9-11 attacks....and still, some wonder why so many people hate us.

By: gdiafante on 1/6/12 at 8:18

BY YOGI: "I hate to tell you this, dargent7, but your and your co-posters constitutional ignorance will be fully exposed this year."

This from the person who didn't realize the Constitution allowed the President to make recess appointments...excuse me if I doubt your Constitutional knowledge.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 8:23

History is not yogi.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 8:24

Obama was more upset with the declaration of economic warfare against Iran than he was about the expanded detention authority of the military..that much is sadly true, Gov.

The Bill was vetted, if not written by the War Super-Lobby (DIE), no POTUS can resist that conglomeration of mutual selfish interests....Obama caved...like he has on so many other promises...Obama is a tap-dancing reneger!

If Paul goes rogue, he's got my vote...you gotta draw the line somewhere.

By: yogiman on 1/6/12 at 8:25

Moonglow1,

Have you ever wondered why all of those Seals were boarded on a plane together that went down killing them all right after their mission?

And yes, McCain was born in Panama... to two American citizens when his father was stationed in Panama on duty with the US Navy.

Question: Why did Obama raise the question of his eligibility? McCain readily showed his official birth certificate and agreed to be questioned by the Senate.

Why did Obama refuse to be questioned by the Senate and refuse to show his official birth certificate?

By: yogiman on 1/6/12 at 8:31

You're correct, gdiafante,

The president does have the authority to make necessary appointments during recess.

Correct me if I'm wrong; I understand congress was not in official recess when Obama made those appointments. That's what made them so damn mad.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/6/12 at 8:34

This daily political forum on some days could have as many as 75 to 89 comments. Each day the same nine people make up 95 percent of the comments. It reminds me of the the coffee club at the Picnic. A lot said and nothing gained. Hooray for intellectual entertainment.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 8:39

Have you ever wondered why all of those Seals were boarded on a plane together that went down killing them all right after their mission?

What does this have to do with anything?

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 8:40

Santorum is a father of seven; they say that he became super-zealous after his wife had a miscarriage. They brought the dead fetus home from the hospital for the night, showed it to the kids, then had a big funeral etc. I don't know about you folks, but that sounds a little too creepy...President's should be less creepy, IMO.

Santorum wants to outlaw abortions for American women, yet he says nothing about the 50,000 abortions performed annually in government-run Israeli abortion mills...he does not propose pulling US aid to Israel over the high abortion rate in the Jewish state...as he does for other nation states with similar abortion-providing health care delivery systems.

Somebody needs to put Santorum on the spot on that bit of high hypocrisy....the major media would never put that Israeli abortion question to any US politician...it would make Israel look bad.

Gimme that mic...."Senator Santorum...you are an ardent supporter of the Jewish state in Palestine and you are also an ardent supporter of the right-to-life, for the human fetus; yet, to my knowledge, you never have criticized the state of Israel for its high rate of abortions, some 50,000 performed annually, in their state-operated abortion clinics....those figures come from Friends of Efrat Israel....Senator, can you explain the apparent hypocrisy? Thank you."

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 8:41

I can understand your frustration Rasputin72, but yogi is one of yours.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 8:46

Well then, Mr. Rasputin, you may remove yourself from this board at any time...BTW, I have not read anything from you that was constructive...just bitching, whining and mouthing off....got crabs or what?

Good bye, Rasputin...you mad monk....take a hike already!

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 8:48

"Senator, can you explain the apparent hypocrisy?"

"It depends on what your definition of hypocrisy is."

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 8:57

LOL, Nemo on your 8:48...so true.

Even if I got to ask the question...the MSM would not carry that bombshell on their broadcasts...too hot...I'd be labeled as a Jew-hater and that would be the end of it...then I'd get audited etc. Hell, I could be whisked away by the military and never seen or heard from again...Obama gave them the power....that's your hope & change, suckers.

An unknown politician from Chicago spent 743 million to win the POTUS job which pays about $400k annually...and I'm surprised to witness all this? Shame on me...I was fooled...I won't be fooled again on this Obama guy.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 9:12

Loner's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtHshBWFRyg

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 9:21

A vote for Ron Paul, as a third party alternative would NOT be throwing away one's vote, as is often alleged by the major political parties and the media.

If the disgruntled leftists and disgruntled righties, who agree on policy, (for differing reasons, perhaps), could coalesce around Ron Paul in a 3-way general election, a common ground platform for reform could result. Both majors would be forced to take notice.

The Electoral College system makes it very tough for a third party candidate to have a shot...that's why the Democrats did not bitch when it bit them on the arse in 2008. It's the devil they know....and it keeps new competition out.

If Ron Paul could garner enough EC votes to deny victory to the Dem or GOP candidate, the the House or the USSC would have to decide on the winner...this would most likely piss off the general public; many still vividly recall the fiasco of Bush vs Kerry 2000. People might even march in the streets. Only then, might overdue reform of the EC system occur.

The EC has to go the way of the powdered wig and musket...the Founders might agree with me on that point...they would be appalled, IMO, to see how the special interests have corrupted the political process.

Sadly, we may need to throw a monkey wrench into the corrupt 2-party system. A vote for Ron Paul the Libertarian would do just that. It only takes a few money wrenches to bring down a huge machine.

Have wrench. Will throw.

By: yogiman on 1/6/12 at 9:24

gdiafante,

try bobbie@tneagleforum.org and see what they say about congress recess.

You might also want to look at www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hnkxlh62dq

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 9:25

Correction: s/h/b "the Democrats did not bitch when it bit them on the arse in 2000"...I had typed in 2008...my bad....an edit function would be nice here...just sayin'.