Up for Debate: Obama takes recess

Friday, January 6, 2012 at 12:30am

What do you make of President Barack Obama's recess appointments? Fair play or "unprecedented power grab" as House Speaker John Boehner put it?

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119 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 9:27

Loner-

Even if you voted for Mickey Mouse would not be through away your vote. However it is still a year away and everything can happen in that length of time.

By: BenDover on 1/6/12 at 9:30

The point is that the congress is not officially in recess.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 9:30

Love The Who, Cap'n Nemo...thanks, I needed that....Ron Paul ought to ask the band for permission to use that tune as their official anthem...it could be worth millions of votes...the tune strikes an old chord....hit it, Ron...hit it!

"Let's don't be fooled again!"....the new boss is the same as the old boss.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 9:40

Loner-

Ron Paul has many points that I agree with, but he has a lot more that I think would be a mistake to give the Presidency. I can’t not vote for him.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 9:42

I see, it's a technicality, Ben...somebody goofed on the scheduling? Some aide will be flagellated if not fellated for this SNAFU....meanwhile, Rome burns.

Obama tried to distance the US from the Israelis recently, saying that if the IDF decides to attack Iran, there is nothing the US can do to stop them...that's a green light, baby. Now that the US does not control Iraqi airspace, Israeli jets can take the short direct route to Tehran....again a green light of sorts.

The GOP candidates are trying to paint Obama as soft in his support for Israel; if it looks like Obama is going to be re-elected, the Israelis may attack before November of this year; that would force Obama to support the Israelis in their war against Iran, or lose the election to a pro-Israel GOP hawk.

If it looks like the GOP candidate is going to win on November, then the Israelis may wait for the US regime change, then strike Iran with full, unequivocal US support from the Republican-Tea Party Administration.

This is what my crystal balls are telling me this morning.

Any comment on that?

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 9:45

Don't get me wrong, Nemo, Ron Paul could never get in the White House, I still believe that...but a vote for Paul as a Libertarian might just upset the apple cart...the apples are rotten anyway and way too expensive...we need fresh fruit...that's Ron Paul.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 9:48

we need fresh fruit...that's Ron Paul.

Exactly that is what I think. LOL

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 10:15

Need another BINGO card to play alongside this one? I'm posting here too:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/01/06/gingrich_to_black_people_paychecks_not_food_aid/?comments=all

Gingrich wants young black males to apprentice as school janitors and such...he's telling them to get off their asses and get a job....raw meat to the GOP-TP base. No more "money for nuthin'"...it's a moral hazard etc.

The fat man is trying to take away the food stamps from little Johnny....and from little Jonelle...and from grampa and gramma too....it's a moral hazard...Food Stamps promote slothfulness and gluttony....as well as avarice and greed...filthy stuff.

By: frodo on 1/6/12 at 10:24

I see no one here defending the president on the key question: How is it okay for Mr. Obama to make a "recess appointment" when the Senate is not in recess? Hearing no defense, I then conclude that BHO regards himself not a servant of but rather ABOVE the Constitution. Or perhaps the BHO koolaid drinkers here are BHOK with that....wouldn't be surprised.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 10:34

Frodo, as I said earlier, I didn't like "recess appointments" under Junior Bush, therefore I cannot condone them now, under Obama. They are an abuse of presidential power, when used as they are today.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 10:37

Hey, If the Senate is not in recess, then recess appointments cannot be legally made. Somebody jumped the gun or what?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 10:37

frodo-

I would have taken your question a lot more serious if you had asked the same question about going into Iraq.

Since no one has defended his action in this matter, how do you get Kool-aid drinkers from what has not been said? As for me I am waiting to see how this is played out.

By: pswindle on 1/6/12 at 10:39

The Senate has blocked everyone for every position, so he has every right to make appointments. These jobs have to be filled. If the Senate had approved Elizabeth Warren, she would not be beating Brown in Mass. This has come back to bite she GOP where they sit down.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 10:43

Because of the bitter divide between the 2 major parties, the normal appointment and confirmation process has become a mix of partisan theater, foot-dragging and grandstanding. These recess appointments free up the logjams, I suppose....this is not so much a cause, it is an effect....partisan obstructionism is the cause, recess appointments are the effect....both major parties are guilty...no moral high ground here...the system has been deliberately and knowingly buggered.

By: frodo on 1/6/12 at 10:43

I'll cross you off my koolaide-drinking BHOK list, Loner. And I entirely agree. Even the techinically legitimate recess appointments have gotten out of hand, going way back across many presidents and, also unfortunately, across the span of many obstructionist Congresses. But, as you say, "somebody" defintely jumped the gun of this one. And shamelessly, to boot. This portends a dangerous White House, no matter what party is in charge.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 10:46

Pswindle, I was composing my 10:39 post as you were composing your 10:43 post..both posts address the same point...we regulars are starting to channel each other?

By: yogiman on 1/6/12 at 10:49

Loner,

There's a difference in making recess appointments when in recess and making appointments when not in recess.

You all might not like what you will see on 'theobamatimeline.com/id593.html'

By: frodo on 1/6/12 at 10:51

"The Senate has blocked everyone for every position"...really? I could have sworn there were a couple of Supreme Court appointments that did not make my day. I'm relieved they didn't really happen.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 10:54

No, I don't drink at Obama's watering hole anymore, Frodo...it's not the predators, (after all, I am one) around the chilled pool of sweet blue Kool-aid - they are pumping the stuff in fresh daily - it's the blue stuff itself...leaves your tongue blue...stains your feces blue after a while...that ain't right, so I don't imbibe at the Obama watering hole these days....even my hair was turning blue...no mas!

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 10:58

Swindle, pardon my dyslexia in my 10:46 post...I got the times backwards...need meds....hopefully, you got my drift.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 11:04

Thank Loner for the Kool-aid endorsement.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 11:31

The GOP offers the traditional Red Kool-aid..it's not sweet, it's very tart...The Dems offer their sugary Blue Kool-aid. Maybe Ron Paul will sell enough of his semi-sweet-semi-tart Purple Kool-aid to make a difference....the finger-drawn, smiley face on the Kool-aid pitcher does resemble Ron Paul, IMO.

I'll try a hit of that Paul Purple...WTF.

By: yogiman on 1/6/12 at 11:38

Fun to see:

www.reformation.org/frank-marshall-davis-obasma.html

By: yogiman on 1/6/12 at 11:40

leave that "s" out of obasma

By: brrrrk on 1/6/12 at 11:49

Captain Nemo said

"President Ronald Reagan made 240 recess appointments,
President George H. W. Bush made 77 recess appointments,
President Bill Clinton made 140 recess appointments,
George W. Bush made 171.
Obama's first term has seen a paltry 28."

These guys are all welshers compared to Republican Teddy Roosevelt who, if I'm not mistaken, made 176 recess appointments in ONE day.

By: dargent7 on 1/6/12 at 11:50

The problem with America can be distilled into this: You have morons roaming the Earth, calling themselves Americans, and can legally vote.
You have 40% of the population of America wandering around believing, "Iraq struck the Twin Towers".
There's only been 4 commissions and 5 books detailing the attack, in detail, that the attack was from Saudi Arabia, bin Laden and 15 of the 19 were Saudi. There wasn't an Iraqi among them.
It's really embarrassing we, the other 60%, have to listen to the imbiciles who vote people like GW Bush into office. And then quantify and qualify his "response" to 9/11.
These same will follow with blind obedience any Republican elected President who will bomb Iran. Personally, I really don't care anymore. There's no stopping the insanity.
It's in God's hands.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 12:21

"Whom God wishes to destroy he first makes mad."
Seneca

By: yogiman on 1/6/12 at 12:26

dargent7,

Let me throw this into your pot: Obama was having a debate with Alan Keyes in their run for the Senate seat in Illinois. Keyes made a remark Obama was born in Kenya.

Obama retaliated, "So what? I running as an Illinois Senator, not the Presidency."

Was he denying being born in Kenya and simply making a facetious remark? Can you explain what he meant about that comment?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 12:28

"When divine power plans evil for a man, it first injures his mind."
Sophocles

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 12:39

Amen, brother Dargent. The masses are asses and the ass is the symbol of the Democratic Party...it's ass appeal...and for the GOP-TP it's elephantiasis....bunch of sickos, IMO.

Darge, would you vote for Paul, if he ran as a third party choice? If not, why not?

By: frodo on 1/6/12 at 12:42

Captain, you (and the philosophers you quote) are too deep for me. But concerning "the Republican Teddy Roosevelt," I don't consider him to hold the values of today's Republicans. Nor even of his day, he soon discovered and created his own "Bull Moose" party, championing the progressive thought that today makes a left turn at every intersection. I won't call BHO a Democrat if you won't call Teddy a Republican. Neither represent the essence of their parties. At least I hope not.

By: frodo on 1/6/12 at 12:43

sorry, that was dargent quoting nemo. My mistake

By: yogiman on 1/6/12 at 12:56

Let me ask this question to all of you Obama lovers who are so willing to have a man in the highest office in our nation whom you know nothing about.

Let's say you own a company. Let's say a manufacturing company; would you be willing to hire someone to run that company with your money whom you know nothing about and allow them to refuse to answer any of your questions?

Just curious.

By: BigPapa on 1/6/12 at 1:13

Political movements and parties rarely if ever rise up from the middle. It's always the extreme ends of the pole that give rise to new parties. That's why The Libertarians will never make it. And I consider myself very Libertarian, we just tend to p!ss off the Left and the Right equally.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 1:14

Enough of the birther crap already...it's stinking up the place...nobody is buying it...only an A-hole would continue to annoy folks with flung poo....that, or a masturbating primate on monkey island, at your local zoo.

By: brrrrk on 1/6/12 at 1:26

Loner said

"Enough of the birther crap already...it's stinking up the place...nobody is buying it...only an A-hole would continue to annoy folks with flung poo....that, or a masturbating primate on monkey island, at your local zoo."

Frankly it's bordering on harassment. Let the powers that be know what you think, just as I have.....

By: brrrrk on 1/6/12 at 1:30

BenDover said

"The point is that the congress is not officially in recess."

That is if you call gaveling the Senate "in session" and then within a minute "out of session" every three days not in recess. This is all theater and you know better Ben.....

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 1:34

Yogiman long ago crossed the border into Harassment, Brrrrk. The guy is some kind of sadist, IMO, likes to bug people...loves to needle folks...just for the hell of it...probably poked a stick at caged creatures, as a boy....tore the wings off flies etc. beyond the knucklehead, the guy is a full-blown A-Hole.

But, even sphincters have the right of free speech, I suppose...he does seem to be in violation of the terms of service quite often...it's up to the NCP, as to what to do about it...he is driving folks away....don't see him attracting any new posters.

The board is suffering from an exodus of posters, IMO.

By: brrrrk on 1/6/12 at 1:37

Loner said

"it's up to the NCP, as to what to do about it...he is driving folks away....don't see him attracting any new posters."

And that's exactly the opinion that I expressed to NCP..... sites like this live and die by the "click".

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 1:42

The NCP must read these comments...it's their call. I remember the Clint Brewer purges..once you start banning folks it snowballs quickly. Both Ben Dover and I got thrown out...archives erased...we were out for a long, long time.

By: Rasputin72 on 1/6/12 at 1:44

LONER.......I have no wish to participate in the mindless drivel but I do not begrudge you guys having a good time with your banter.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 1:45

Big Papa, true, unsuccessful third party bids do come from the extremes...the more middle of the road they are, the more successful they have been....Perot, for example drew from the middle, IMO.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 1:49

By: Rasputin72 on 1/6/12 at 1:44

LONER.......I have no wish to participate in the mindless drivel but I do not begrudge you guys having a good time with your banter.

Why, thank you your excellency. Your gracious tolerance for the commoners is renowned. we are not worthy.....

By: Rasputin72 on 1/6/12 at 1:50

LONER.......You guys do a great job of entertaining each other with comments that are meaningless in the big picture. My comment was just as meaningless as those I read. I certainly do not mean to disrupt your fun.

We all are entitled to our little pleasures.

By: Loner on 1/6/12 at 1:51

Speaking of mad monks and poo-flinging primates...it's time for the lone one to sign off....it's been a "good time" bantering with you all...see ya!

By: yogiman on 1/6/12 at 2:08

Loner,

Make any comments you wish to and about me, but as I see it, you and your fellow posting "buddies" accepting someone in the highest office in our nation whom you know nothing about, and without even attempting to find out who he is, I can only consider you as his fellow socialist lovers that want our country stolen from our republic. Or you are so stupid you don't know what the Constitution is or give a damn what it is.

As I have stated several times; time will tell.

If NCP tells me to get off this site, I will without question. But until they do, I'm going to continue my "argument" until the truth comes out. And by that, I mean the truth that will make you all look like a bunch of damn fools of loosing socialists.

I have offered (more than once) to "lay back" on the issue until Nov. 6, but you all seem to think it's okay for you to make your comments about it, but I shouldn't.

Sorry, you don't own the company.

By: frodo on 1/6/12 at 2:17

Yogi, Loner already disavowed support for Obama about halfway up the page. So cut him a little slack. Not too much, but a little.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 2:22

By: frodo on 1/6/12 at 12:43
sorry, that was dargent quoting nemo. My mistake

Them are fighting words. lol

By: dargent7 on 1/6/12 at 2:24

L'ner: Ron Paul is too old. He looks too old. Most of the US President's job is 'ceremonial"..attending State Dinners, visiting, talking to other filthy rich head's od State".
Paul just looks, OLD. He's 76. I want an 80 year old in trhe W.H. negotiating with 45 year olds? No.
Obama's all we've got. "And, I like it". "18", by Alice Cooper.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/6/12 at 2:26

BigPapa says, "I consider myself very Libertarian, we just tend to p!ss off the Left and the Right equally."

LOL