Up for Debate: Obama vs. Romney, round 2

Tuesday, October 16, 2012 at 1:23am

After a flat-footed performance by Obama and Big Bird jabs from Romney in the first presidential debate of this election, how do you feel Tuesday night's debate — set to be a town-hall style format on both foreign and domestic policy — will go for both candidates? Who do you predict will "win" round 2?


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By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 5:07

My prediction: I'll be watching baseball.

Though I would consider watching it if I knew it would degenerate into a WWE-style brouhaha, complete with metal folding chairs and all. Ratings gold.

By: Ummm... on 10/16/12 at 5:07

If, as Joe Biden said, "facts matter," then Obama should easily win this debate. On the other hand, if phoniness, hypocrisy, outright lies, salesmanship and good hair are what matters, then the president will have an uphill battle.

By: Ask01 on 10/16/12 at 5:07

To be honest, unless President Obama stays home, I doubt the debates will have a sunstantial impact on the presidential campaign.

Willard will still come across as a greasy used car salesman, (apologies to those sales people for employing an overused, but highly recognizable stereotype,) and unless a concrete understandable plan for fixing the economy is presented, his past track record firing people and exporting jobs, the near extortionist tactics of corporate America threatening layoffs, and dubious celebrity endorsements from several luminaries will help to bury him.

I believe at this point, most have made up their minds. No matter what voters tell friends and family publicly, once the curtain closes, they will vote their beliefs.

As noted before, Willard should have told his billionaire friends to leave well enough alone, not threatening workers, because the result could be one of unintended consequences.

Viva La France!

By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 5:19

What the....

-greasy used car salesman

By: yogiman on 10/16/12 at 5:43

Obama has taken four years to prove his inability. All he seems to know is how to do is spend money, play golf and send his family on vacations.

And by his constant refusal to identify himself, we still don't know who in the hell he is.

I prefer a President whom I know is in that office legally.

By: govskeptic on 10/16/12 at 5:49

The President has two bad debates, his own and Joe Biden's, to attempt
to make up for. In addition, he wants very much to push the story on the
47% remark from Romney as well as the shaky GM story. Romney will
have to answer both, but surely has had long enough to do so, with an
excellent answer at the ready. Following the suit of every incumbent Mr.
Obama will promise a full turkey and all the dressings for every concern
expressed from the audience questions.
If Romney can get personally comfortable with the audience, which he's had
much less experience with than the Prez, he should do well. He has to
since a tie would go to the President by the Press in massive quantity.

By: Ummm... on 10/16/12 at 5:57

Sorry, gov, but most everyone (except your primary source for bs- Faux News) agrees that Biden cleaned the very thirsty Mr. Ryan's clock in their debate. It's a pity all your wishful thinking will come to naught when Willard goes down in flames in November.

By: yogiman on 10/16/12 at 5:57

Tomorrow, Tennesseans will begin their early vote status for their new President.

Isn't it odd we Tennesseans must appear at the booth to vote with a photo ID, to prove we are legally eligible to vote... but the one's running for the office don't have to prove they are legally eligible to run for the office?

By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 5:57


Only in GOP circles was the Biden debate considered bad. And then, nevermind that once again the Ryan/Romney camp can't explain what they'll do, let's change the discussion to manners.

In other words...Waaaah...he didn't let me talk....he laughed at me...I didn't have time to explain my BS...waaaah. Obama loses a debate, he says so, promises to do better. When Ryan does, everyone whines about manners and a mean old man.

Grow up.

By: Ummm... on 10/16/12 at 6:01

And by the way, Romney lovers, the 47% remark was no "gaffe" as the Teapublicans would like you to believe- it was a well though out, targeted remark which he very clearly meant for the ears of that gathering of wealthy donors. And, guess what- he was talking about you, many of your friends, and your country's military just to name a few.

By: Ummm... on 10/16/12 at 6:02

Sorry s/h/b "well thought out"

By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 6:06

Many on here, including gov, defended Romney's remark about the 47%. Now it's a gaffe. I'm starting to worry about some here getting whiplash from the sudden 180 they're turning...They certainly take on the traits of their fearless leader...

By: Ummm... on 10/16/12 at 6:06

Bishop Willard Romney is the undisputed king of all "flip-floppers." He was for almost everything before he was against it- I wonder what new and different policy positions he'll unveil at tonight's debate?

By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 6:11

That's his plan, Ummm. So completely change his position again that Obama cannot attack. How can you attack a position that doesn't exist and changes daily?

By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 6:14

Q: After a flat-footed performance by Obama and Big Bird jabs from Romney in the first presidential debate of this election, how do you feel Tuesday night's debate — set to be a town-hall style format on both foreign and domestic policy — will go for both candidates?
A: Again, another load of BS will be dumped by each man...one red-colored pile and one blue-colored pile....but BS, is still BS, regardless of its color and odor-masking perfumes.

Q: Who do you predict will "win" round 2?
A: As always, the "winners" are the media moguls who rake in the campaign-related cash....Obama raised 181 million and Romney raised 170 million in the past month alone...and those amounts do not include super-PAC cash...all that money goes mainly to the media outlets...it's their cash cow and they do not want that cow to go dry.... hence the media do not call for campaign reform.

The major political parties are also happy with "Democracy Lite", therefore there is no call for reform coming from either the Dems or the GOP.

The demand for reform must come from the people...but many are so disillusioned with the present farce that they simply do not participate in the sham. scam & flim-flam....As long as the NFL, MLBA and the NHL are still functioning, those folks are docile and complacent......fat, dumb and happy.

By: Rasputin72 on 10/16/12 at 6:17

It takes $25,000 dollars a month after all state and federal taxes including the FICA tax to live a decent life. At least 85% of Americans are living on less than $6,000 dollars a month after state and federal taxes.

If Obama can keep this town hall meeting pointed and directed towards class warfare questions and answers Romney will be toast. There is no way that Romney can explain why so many Americans are not living a decent life without explaining that personal responsiblity has a lot to do with how you live. People just do not want to hear that they are not as equal as the people who are buying $10,000 dollar round trip first class tickets to Australia for vacation and sending their kids to private schools at a cost of $10,000 to $18,000 dollars per child per year.

If Obama can get this town hall meeting directed towards class warfare which he has been so successful the Romney people are going to get a real butt kicking.

By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 6:18

It takes $25,000 dollars a month after all state and federal taxes including the FICA tax to live a decent life.

LOL...and people say you're out of touch...

By: yogiman on 10/16/12 at 6:22

For those of you who hasn't read the US Constitution, may I offer a post of it to you for Presidential requirements?

Article 2, Section 1, Para. 5 states; "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Can anyone explain why Barack Obama has lied and refused to prove his eligibility to run for the Presidential Office?

By: Ummm... on 10/16/12 at 6:25

Loner, although both political parties "suck up" to the Israelis and share other nauseating tendencies, I find it curious and somewhat appaling that you characterize them as basically equivalent in your 7:14 post. It reminds me of the doctrine of false equivalence being practiced by so many news organizations these days (yes, righties, the ones you falsely claim have a liberal bias). I forget who said this recently, but lately it seems that if one party were condemning the nazis, the next news report would be getting the "opposing point of view" from a concentration camp guard who was simultaneously loading people into gas chambers.

By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 6:26

The Rasp is pulling our collective legs....he lives in a fantasy world....Caviar, Champagne, Grey Poupon, Foie Gras.....jet-setting between his estates and various land-holdings.....chauffeur-driven limousines....young, hot debutantes....La Dolce Vita.

Sadly, the only truly rich thing about the Rasp is his imagination.....bless his heart.

By: Ummm... on 10/16/12 at 6:27

Sorry s/h/b "appalling"

By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 6:27


By: yogiman on 10/16/12 at 6:27

You guys keep mentioning Romney's lack of plans. Please, can you tell us any of Obama's plans? Except spending money and playing golf? Oh, and vacationing his family?

By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 6:29


By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 6:35

Ummmm, no doubt about it, both parties are on the take...sometimes to the same lobbies, as in the case of the Defense, Israel & Energy (DIE) lobbies, the big three in Washington, DC. The parties differ in which of the lesser special interests each cater too.

Neither party wants to see the EC de-fanged, that would allow a third choice and both the Dems and GOP are both strongly against that. The media are content with the status quo...makes there job much easier too.

We will be at war with Iran soon, probably by next fall, regardless of who wins the presidency....if BHO wins, we will be reluctantly dragged into it...if Bishop Romney wins, we will willingly jump into it. Either way, the DIE consortium will call the shots, while the American public watches television.

By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 6:36


By: Ummm... on 10/16/12 at 6:39

Well, Loner, even if all your assertions are true (and I'm not giving you all of that), do you think we will fare the same as a nation under either candidate??? I cannot believe you do, and frankly expect more of someone who at least appears to have a brain and a conscience.

By: Kosh III on 10/16/12 at 6:55

"People just do not want to hear that they are not as equal as the people who are buying $10,000 dollar round trip first class tickets to Australia for vacation"

Raspy invidious and seditious comment compared to genuine American values such as:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...."

By: Kosh III on 10/16/12 at 6:58

"Please, can you tell us any of Obama's plans?"

Save GM. Save Chrysler. End two wars. Push several job-creation bills--which the reactionaries in the House have rejected; preferring to wreck the country than to allow the uppity colored boy to succeed.
Need more examples?
btw Bush spent far more time on vacations.

By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 6:58

No, do not get me wrong, there is a difference between the left & right on the guns & butter argument...they vary in their degree of support for each function of government....in general, I support the liberal and secular viewpoint concerning the role of government.

Both parties have embraced the Faith-based Initiative...Obama actually upped its budget.

When it came time to vote on invading Iraq, the Democrats broke ranks and dozens defected to the dark side, so party affiliation matters little on the big items...the disturbing items.

When the Dems lost the EC vote but won the popular vote in 2000...but did not raise a big stink about EC reform....they revealed their true nature...the Democratic party is undemocratic by nature....The Republican party is likewise unrepublican by nature....the Republicans prefer rule by political dynasties...the Bush family, the Romney family etc. The Republicans do not trust the public; they prefer rule by aristocrats and theocrats.

By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 7:06

My other BINGO card this morning:


By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 7:09

Hey, Kosh....good to see you posting here again...I missed your cogent & thought-provoking comments.

By: Ummm... on 10/16/12 at 7:10

I don't want to be argumentative Loner, but I'm sure you're familiar with the term, "making the best of a bad situation." Just because neither political party embraces your worldview in its totality is no reason to wish a pox on both their houses. Like it or not, one of these candidates will be elected president in November- and it's very clear to me which one best reflects my viewpoint. (And by the way, I don't believe Obama will go to war with Iran, and even if you do, you have to admit there's a much better chance of avoiding that war with him than with Willard.)

By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 7:14

The big disappointment this year was Ron Paul's BS.....his supporters worked hard and diligently, only to be betrayed by their hero...Ron did not want to rock the GOP boat...his son, Rand, is aboard that vessel...so, with the Paul family, we see dynastic libertarianism....we see nepotism....we see situational ethics.....we see a world-class phony....and his kid.

By: yogiman on 10/16/12 at 7:18

You guys are funny, but you've quit making me laugh, gdiafante. You're supporting a man who refuses to identify himself. Are you ready for the new USSA?

Romney is a business man and obviously knows how to make money. Obama doesn't even know what a budget is. He's an "organizer" and only knows how to spend money... our money.

Consider: This question about Obama's eligibility has been going on for 4 years [after Congress knowingly allowed him to usurp the Office]. The question has continued in the public.

Several states made comments they would pass laws requiring proof a candidate was Constitutionally eligible to be placed on their ballot. Tennessee was one of them, yet it looks like he is on all state ballots without being required for proof.

Shouldn't that tell you something? I hope I'm wrong, but I see Obama remaining in office on a "takeover", and if I'm right, you can kiss the USA goodbye.

By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 7:23

Oh, come on now, Ummm, let's be "argumentative"....just for the mental exercise that we no longer get on this troll-stained board....the intelligent righties have left the room.

But seriously, I think that the US will be at war with Iran within a year, regardless of who is in the White House......Obama might try to resist the sucking action....Romney would not need as much suction power in order to get sucked into another holy war at Israel's behest, that's why the Israelis like the Bishop...he's a Jew wannabe Mormon....on a mission from Jehovah....the perfect useful idiot for Zionism.

Israeli PM Netanyahu "graciously" withdrew his threat to strike Iran right now...he postponed the strike until next spring/summer.....he announced all this at the UN.....If Bibi says he's going to strike next year, we should take that pledge seriously.

By: yogiman on 10/16/12 at 7:23


Being constantly told about your "love" of Israel, if your man Barry usurps the Office again, you can happily kiss Israel goodbye because the Muslim Brotherhood with Obama's love will advance in their takeover of the world.

By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 7:24


By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 7:26


By: Kosh III on 10/16/12 at 7:29

Thanks Loner. It's been hectic so I can't dispense my wisdom quite as much. :)

By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 7:39

Remember the 2003 invasion countdown? I do.

People were glued to their TV screens...the media was "imbedded" with the US troops - a rather novel idea - the Iraq War invasion had a huge market share for the first few days...maybe America is ready for another big show like that?

Certainly, Defense, Israel & Energy are ready to script, direct and produce another war-based media extravaganza.....they are already working on the upcoming block-buster...stay tuned for Live Action.

BTW, even though the Iranian currency lost 40% of its value in one week recently, the EU has just announced more crippling economic warfare targeting the Iranian people, their government and their economy. The goal is to starve the Persians into submission...once the sanctions have caused severe hardships and extensive human suffering, for a sufficient time period, the shooting and bombing will then begin, Iraq style.....first we starve them, then we slaughter them....that's America's new modus operandi....it's a tactic that we learned from the Israelis.

Of course, once Iran has been functionally destroyed, the US taxpayer will be asked to rebuild the place, Iraq style.

By: bfra on 10/16/12 at 7:44

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By: Ummm... on 10/16/12 at 7:46

Loner, the 2003 invasion of Iraq occurred under very different circumstances than those which exist today. The nationalistic fervor inspired by 9/11 had not abated, and our national memory did not include two recent long and costly wars. Add to that Obama voting against the Iraq war and Biden saying, "The last thing we need is another war" during the recent debate, and I would respectfully suggest that the Obama administration is unlikely to go to war with Iran, even at Israel's behest. In fact, I am hopeful that the Israelis themselves will reject Bibi in favor of saner leadership in the near future.

By: yogiman on 10/16/12 at 7:48

Why not rebuild Iran, Loner. Or hadn't you been born when we rebuilt the nations after WWII? Is there any nation we haven't rebuilt after we destroyed them in a war.

Reckon that could be why a nation want's to get in a war with us?

By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 7:50

I think Obama is less likely to go to war, but Israel is very likely to. Regardless of the White House occupant, that puts us in a bad spot. On this, I agree with Loner, the blind support for Israel would likely get us involved, in some way.

On the bright side, this could be it...Armageddon. They said the same thing in 1991 and 2003. It's required to do this about every ten years, so I threw it out there.

I hope not...especially while the NHL is on strike...at least throw me a bone, let the Preds get to the Cup finals and then have Jesus come back...c'mon man.

By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 7:50


By: Loner on 10/16/12 at 7:52

The Democratic Party has removed the "demo" (Greek for "the people") from Democratic...likewise, the Republican Party has removed the "public" from Republican...both parties have stained the meaning and honor inherent in the words that their parties are built upon....both parties have sold out to the special interests...the public's interests are functionally ignored....follow the money, honey....we have been betrayed.

By: yogiman on 10/16/12 at 7:59

Kosh III,

What section of the Constitution gives the Executive Branch authority to take over private industries and pass them over to the unions?

And he's created jobs? Where? Why has the unemployed number become so much larger after he went in office? Could it be because so many more babies have been born and haven't found work yet?

By: budlight on 10/16/12 at 8:00

"yogiman on 10/16/12 at 6:57
Tomorrow, Tennesseans will begin their early vote status for their new President.
Isn't it odd we Tennesseans must appear at the booth to vote with a photo ID, to prove we are legally eligible to vote... but the one's running for the office don't have to prove they are legally eligible to run for the office?"

And we are compelled to buy health insurance, but illegals will get that same health insurance free of charge -- at our expense -- the expense of the legal citizens, with legal driver's licenses and a legal right to be here.

Clint Eastwood spoke to Obama's empty chair which is a symbol of his lack of leadership. In reviewing the monologue by Clint, he also addressed Joe Biden as a big smile attached to a body. And he was right. Biden just laughed his way through his debate and looked like a clown. He's an obnoxious big mouth and everyone in this country should be afraid of him.

Raspy, we don't make nearly $25,000 a month (or a quarter) and we're holding our own. It's rough, but with the American sense of ethics and values, many people are holding their own.

By: gdiafante on 10/16/12 at 8:01