Up for Debate: Obama's security team changes

Thursday, June 6, 2013 at 12:47am

What are your thoughts on President Obama's changes to his national security team?

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By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 5:11

Good morning, Nashville.

What are your thoughts on President Obama's changes to his national security team?

In my opinion, Susan Rice is in over her head....another Condi Rice...sometimes the quota system sucks...this is another one of those times. Let's hope that political correctness does not result in another massive loss of American lives, as occurred under Condi Rice's stewardship....Rice had been warned about Al Qaeda and their plans to hijack US airliners...she blew it...thousands died on 9-11-2001...and, as a result, we got into another land war in Asia...a dirty war that is still ongoing.

Obama is starting to scare me...Susan Rice is incompetent, IMO.

By: govskeptic on 6/6/13 at 5:16

Other than the President giving a finger to the Republicans and any other citizen
concerned about the Nation's true security, he has appointed a person that has
credentials of loyalty, to him at least, which is priority number one.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 5:27

I hear that, Gov.....Condi Rice was loyal as a lap dog to Junior Bush...Susan Rice is loyal as a lap dog to BHO...apparently, being a black yes-woman to the POTUS is sufficient resume material for the National Security Adviser post.

One wonders if the War Super-Lobby had a hand in this selection process...Defense, Israel & Energy, (DIE), dictate policy to the White House...perhaps they wanted another incompetent person in that critical job...so as to create another casus belli down the road....after all, US troops will be out of Afghanistan next year....time to get another major conflict started....Rice could be a key element in the DIE Master Plan.

By: yogiman on 6/6/13 at 5:32

Obama started scaring me the minutes he 'threw his hat in the ring', Loner. But the Senate scared me more when they allowed him to usurp that office without question. And I've been scared ever since about "those in office".

I fear for my heirs of the future.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 5:33

Yeah, appointing the arrogant and feisty Susan Rice as national security Adviser is flipping off the Republicans, big time....the GOP stalwarts targeted Susan Rice over the Benghazi affair; this is rubbing their noses in their own feces. Let us hope that this political dogfight does not result in another 9-11 tragedy and another war.....Holy Wars Suck.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 5:38

For BHO, it's now Operation Legacy....that's his central concern....his actions and appointments are grim evidence of that. He has surrounded himself with fawning admirers and sycophantic creeps. Hope & Change my ass!

By: bfra on 6/6/13 at 6:04

For Obama to be as bad as Bush, he would have to screw up everyday he breathes! As he hasn't done that, he still has my support. He has definitely made some calls I don't agree with, but the be a total disaster, like Bush/Chaney, he isn't.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 6:09

Rather than throw Susan Rice under his bus, the President stopped the bus and let her get on board....a free ride....there will be no Senate confirmation hearings on this....Rice is riding high....enjoying the view....leaving the driving to others.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 7:05

In breaking world news:

Syrian rebels claim to have taken over the UN-manned checkpoint on the Syria-Israel border...the UN "force" simply surrendered....this is the Golan Heights area, captured by Israel in 1967 and since annexed by the Jewish state...the place is now home to some 20,000 Israeli Jewish "settlers"....living in 30 "settlements" on the illegally seized and colonized land...it's a powder keg in what is becoming a free-fire zone.

Holy Wars Suck...and Israel is getting sucked right in; that means that Uncle Sam will soon be sucked in as well....remember, Susan Rice is a big fan of using military force for humanitarian purposes...as in Libya.

Read all about it here:


By: yogiman on 6/6/13 at 7:06

Use that feeble mind and look back to when the democrats took over congress with Bush in office, bfra.

There's an interesting article on your man Barry written in 1979.


Read it, you might like it.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 7:10

June, 6, 1944...D-Day...I found no mention of that in today's City Paper....somebody dropped the ball?

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 7:14

I'll go on record as thanking those brave soldiers, sailors and airmen who put their hides on the line on that day....I don't think that we can really comprehend the horrific nature of that crucial turning point in the Second World War. It was a meat grinder.

By: yogiman on 6/6/13 at 7:14


Do you claim land shouldn't be 'seized' if it's taken after you're being attacked and you fight back and win? Why was their "neighbors" constantly attacking Israel? Did they just think Israel would surrender and they could take Israel into their own hands?

If they were as domineering as they believed at that time, how did Israel knock the hell out of all of those neighboring nations in only 6 days. I guess it shocked the hell out of them and they haven't gotten over it yet and they still want "their" land back.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 7:19

Looks like the national ingratitude is not limited to the NCP...I just checked Google News...no D-Day related stories were featured...check it yourself:


This is something of a disgrace, isn't it? Have we forgotten so soon? Shame on the US major media...there are more stories about Isreal in today's news than there are about the anniversary of D-Day....it's the Helen Thomas effect.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 7:24

Israel attacked first...it was a pre-emptive war...you have been fooled, Yogi...and that, sadly, is an easy thing to do....you are a gullible dupe without a clue...but dammit you are our gullible dupe without a clue....one of our resident trolls....one of the three stooges of the Nashville City Paper.

Take a bow, clown.

By: bfra on 6/6/13 at 7:38

Loner - IMO a clown is a clown when they realize they are a clown. A clown is nothing more than a LIAR when they try to fool everybody into thinking they are a clown.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 7:49

Looks like Syrian forces loyal to Assad have rousted the rebels at the border crossing. This situation is beyond fluid, it is downright volatile.


You have Iran and Hezbollah backing Assad...and some Iraqi Shiite fighters backing him too... along with Russia - they have a naval base there - and we have Al Qaeda elements in the rebel forces, supported by Qatar and the Saudis....and now Israel is feeling threatened by the expanding violence in Syria. And Turkey, facing internal dissent, is also getting burned by the conflagration in Syria.

Meanwhile, the Chinese keep pumping all the crude oil out of Iraq that they possibly can...they are the only "winners" to emerge from the neocon-engineered adventure in Iraq....Bush & Cheney screwed up royally, their plans backfired.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 7:53

A clown who does not realize that he is a clown offers more comedic possibilities...doesn't it, Bfra? The unwitting dupe has always been fair game for comedians, comics, pundits and witticists.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 7:57

It's slapstick, Bfra...when the unsavory, obnoxious and unwitting dupe assumes the position he is instructed to assume and he then gets his ass-whupped, we tend to laugh....the Germans have a word for it..."schadenfreude".

By: yogiman on 6/6/13 at 8:01

You must have read different papers in NY than I, Loner. Or was the papers I read liars to get that war started?

I'll admit, I don't have the same knowledge you and your backing fellow posters on this site have. Thank God for that. I like my knowledge better.

By: BenDover on 6/6/13 at 8:04

Methinks your Obama-love blinds you, bfra.

Bush deficits were measured in the hundreds of billions. Obama deficits are that plus another trillion. Bush's unemployment was around 4.5%... Obama's has hovered around 8% even after excluding the people who have given up and left the workforce. You credit Obama with getting us out of Iraq but that time-table and those details were finalized before Obama got in the hot-seat.

You chide Bush for foreign policy failures but Obama escalates the war in Afghanistan, destabilizes Egypt and Libya by turning them over to the crazy towel heads, and puts us back on cold-war status with the Ruskies ... all the while utilizing a drone kill policy on terrorists; exhausting the catch-and-interrogate intel. stream that gave him all the terrorists to kill in the first place.

We keep hearing the economy has 'turned the corner' and is recovering but the truth is that the recession was officially over in 2009; yet Obama's policies have prolonged the pain and contributed to a jobless recovery that the vast majority of people would not label a recovery at all.

Now finally it's being reported... the extent to which Obama brought Chicago Way politics to the national stage and it turns out this administration really illustrates that Nixon and his group of motley plumbers were choir-boys by comparison.

To put it simply... all hat and no cattle... that's Obama's legacy.

By: bfra on 6/6/13 at 8:14

Ben - Your TARP, TARP, TARP & love of blowing things up is your thrill of shooting. OH! & shooting is like watching fireworks, leaves your opinions of NO credibility.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 8:15

Defense, Israel & Energy, DIE, conspired to engineer and actualize the US-led invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Defense was ready for a fight...for career soldiers in an all-voluntary force, combat experience is the primary means for advancing in military rank and naturally, the Defense Contractors were thrilled with the plan.

Israel wanted to get a perceived enemy off its back.....that scheme has had limited success. Iran was the main beneficiary of the war....its enemy was defeated and now Iraqi airspace is virtually unguarded...that could conceivably work in Iran's favor, not just Israel's.

Energy was hungry for the Iraqi oil fields....that goal has failed miserably. The Iraqis were not grateful to the US for their "liberation", as the neocons had promised us, so no insider deals were cut with US energy conglomerations.

The Chinese state-owned oil companies under bid the US and Europe for the extraction contracts and were awarded the prize that so many US soldiers, airmen, marines and sailors died for....the plan backfired for US big oil...they got left out in the cold.

By: BenDover on 6/6/13 at 8:19

Bfra, your myopic man-crush on Obama and the fact that you don't have enough testosterone to imagine the enjoyment of shooting high-powered ammo at exploding targets leaves your masculinity of questionable credibility.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 8:25

It is raining hard outside right now...in a way, I am glad that I am not at my Summer Retreat right now...it's 59F and it looks like a Northeast rain forest outside my window right now...and that is exactly what it is.

Still waiting for my "slave cylinders", as you rebels like to call them...once those front brake wheel cylinders are replaced, I'll be ready to make my run to the Southern Tier of the Empire State...one of the most unspoiled parts of New York, IMO....it's Amish country....just Amish dairy farmers and "English" udder brudders....and a few hippies....we all get along just fine....just watch out for horseballs on the roadway and cowpies in the fields.

By: BenDover on 6/6/13 at 8:27

"In the digital era, privacy must be a priority. Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?" Algore last week on Twitter.

By: yogiman on 6/6/13 at 8:33

Enjoy your amusement, Loner. I'm glad I'm able to supply you with it. But I'm afraid your ignorance of the constitutional requirements to become president of this nation is fixing to catch up with you... and I'll have the last laugh unless Barry pulls it off and takes over as dictator.

Stand by, the issue is being presented to the Alabama Supreme Court and the Chief Justice is a devout American constitutional believer.

By: budlight on 6/6/13 at 8:36

Yogi, the article was interesting to say the least. Here is an excerpt:
"The words of Percy Sutton about what al-Mansour told him regarding Obama certainly have the ring of truth:

“His introduction was there is a young man that has applied to Harvard. I know that you have a few friends back there… Would you please write a letter in support of him? (That’s before Obama decided to run.) … and he interjected the advice that Obama had passed the requirements, had taken and passed the requirements necessary to get into Harvard and become president of the Law Review. That’s before he ever ran for anything. And I wrote a letter in support of him to my friends at Harvard, saying to them that I thought there was a genius that was going to be available and I certainly hoped they would treat him kindly…” (2)

What possible significance could all this have? We may never know, but Vernon Jarrett, back in 1979, thought that OPEC’s intention to fund black and minority education would have huge political ramifications. As Jarrett wrote:

“The question of financial aid from the Arabs could raise a few extremely interesting questions both inside and outside the black community. If such contributions are large and sustained, the money angle may become secondary to the sociology and politics of such an occurrence.” (1)

He was, of course, right.

As Jarrett suggests, any black institutions and presumably individuals who became beholden to Arab money might be expected to continue the trend of American “new black advocacy for a homeland for the Palestinians” and presumably for other Islamic and Arabic interests in the Middle East. For that reason, if for no other, the question of how President Obama’s college education was funded is of considerably more than academic interest."

"a genius that was going to be available and I certainly hoped they would treat him kindly…” And available he is.


By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 8:39

Ben....Verizon may not be the only company to comply with Homeland Security edicts....but it's for our own good, right?

"It allows counter terrorism personnel to discover whether known or suspected terrorists have been in contact with other persons who may be engaged in terrorist activities, particularly people located inside the United States," the official added.


Yeah, this eternal holy war idea is sucking the remains out of our privacy out of the system..we are on a permanent war footing, regardless of who the POTUS is....DIE runs the whole show....they paid for the right to do so....US lawmaking is a fee for service industry....we, the people are simply out of the loop.

By: BenDover on 6/6/13 at 8:39

My daughter's boyfriend is of African American descent and I was trying to tell him what he needed to do when their clutch went out... "Well... you need to go to the parts store and ask them for a clutch ---- uhhh -- a clutch -- uhhh ..." and then I just couldn't figure anything out so I rolled with it, "a clutch slave cylinder"... he gave me that big EYE POP like Rochester on the old Jack Benny show and said, "A WHAT cylinder?"... and then after about 10 seconds he let me off the hook and said he knew what I was talking about and was just messing with me... then I explained he'd have to bleed the slave after he mounted it.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 8:41

S/H/B...." this eternal holy war idea is sucking the remains of our privacy out of the system."

Mea culpa.

By: BenDover on 6/6/13 at 8:42

It's pretty convenient for them to have that data to maintain their political standing too, loner. The ultimate advantage of incumbency, right?

By: BenDover on 6/6/13 at 8:45

"Government knowing what people are doing in their private lives is bad"
Crazed Sex Poodle

By: yogiman on 6/6/13 at 8:46

Oh, I forgot to mention, Loner, Judge Moore is the man who was forced out of office because he refused to remove his Ten Commandment emblem from his office.

Low and behold who was voted in as Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court? Judge Moore.

Stand by, Loner. Let's see who wins, Justice Moore or usurper Barry.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 8:47

That's funny, Ben...master and slave cylinder terminology is politically incorrect today...soon, using terms like, "male" and "female" plumbing parts may become verboten....and the threaded iron pipe connecters will no longer be called, "nipples".

Same goes for the "nut and bolt"...I always wondered why the female part, the nut, was called that...female parts in a nut sack?.... 'tain't right.

By: bfra on 6/6/13 at 8:49

Ben, Ben I would hope I don't come across as masculine anything! You are not very observant, but then with your feminine bang, bang & sparkler fettish, that isn't surprising.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 8:51

Yogi, other than the Postal Jeep parts company in Alabama, the place is crawling with gullible dupes and ignoramuses...Geprge Wallace is still revered down there ...of course, they would prefer a flaming theocrat in judicial robes to an unbiased secular jurist....that's not news, that's reinforcing a stereotype.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 8:54

I have concluded that Bfra is a rather hot-looking female, but not a squirrely girlie type...but I have no direct evidence to support that...just my crystal balls.

By: BenDover on 6/6/13 at 8:55

You're of the fairer sex bfra? I had thought that a while back, I think, but had changed my opinion for some reason. That explains a lot.

I had you pegged as one of those effeminate college profs. who prefers to beat up on his students with words; doing emotional damage rather than physical damage.

I though blanket and mamag were the last ladies in the forum.

By: BenDover on 6/6/13 at 8:59

The bfra androgyny turning out unexpectedly is an interesting plot twist.

I hope I've not been to coarse in my discourse, ma'am.

By: bfra on 6/6/13 at 9:04

Thanks Loner - I have been known to fit your description & definitely not the helpless, girlie type. I also can hunt & fish with the best of them, including Mega-Bucks (if you know what that is) on several occasions.

By: budlight on 6/6/13 at 9:06

I though blanket and mamag were the last ladies in the forum.

Gee whiz, Ben, you hurt my feelings. By all counts, I'm a lady, albeit an old one! LOL

By: dargent7 on 6/6/13 at 9:25

D-Day, Isn't Paul McCartney's birthday coming up? 72? I'll goggle it. Actually walk across the street...their World Hdqtrs. is right here.

By: dargent7 on 6/6/13 at 9:34

Ben-d: Nice expose'. However, Bush I and Bush II started the whole fiasco in the Mid-East. The 1st Gulf War, Desert Storm, Desert Fox, Desert Shield, March to Baghdad, etal. Wall Street advertising nomenclature to capture American's attention. For 15 seconds.
Those two ass-ho!es ruined America.
Obama, being a janitor, is just mopping up. He didn't initiate and start any war(s).

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 9:39

My crystal balls have never failed me, Bfra...I keep 'em tuned up.

I'll just bet that Bfra could make a dress out of a feedbag....go out and earn the bacon....bring it home and fry it up in a pan...and never let her man forget that he's a man.

Bfra is an Enjoli woman?


By: BenDover on 6/6/13 at 9:44

41 should never have let up on the throttle in '91 darge. Inciting those people to revolution and leaving them to be slaughtered like pigs by Saddam just for Bush's political convenience is a terrible blot on our national history and was largely the reason why we had so much trouble in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion. They simply didn't trust that we wouldn't abandon them again to certain slaughter.

By: yogiman on 6/6/13 at 9:46

An amnesty bill that will give citizenship to millions of illegal aliens is in the Gang of 8 Committee now. Isn't it interesting Senators Alexander and Corker haven't decided how they're going to vote on the immigration issue when asked this morning?

As told by spokesman Jim Jeffries, Alexander said: "I am carefully viewing the bill that passed out of the Judiciary Committee now and I will also review any amendments the Senate considers as we debate this issue. Our borders are not secure. Millions illegally here have de facto amnesty. At the same time we are excluding scientist and workers who could help grow our economy. It is the constitutional responsibility of the president and Congress to write the rules for a legal immigration system and then to enforce it. I will be voting to secure our borders, end de facto amnesty and to establish an immigration system that respects the rule of law."

Corker said through his spokeswoman Laura Herzog: "No, he hasn't taken a position. The Judiciary Committee just completed its work, and we're still reviewing the bill they reported out of committee. Senator Corker is optimistic that we have an opportunity to do something that is productive for our country, but the details matter, and we expect there will be a lengthy debate with many amendments when the gill come to the floor of the Senate".

New decisions on immigration? Haven't we had laws on all of those issues since the USA became a nation ? I sure hope our Senate can finally dream up a few new laws to support our country and make the leading law as one that must be enforced.

My question Senator Alexander: Why do we need foreign scientist and workers in our nation when we have millions of American citizens who are unemployed? Is it justifiable to give their possible jobs to foreigners?

By: bfra on 6/6/13 at 9:48

Loner - Thanks! LOL But, I don't claim to be any super woman, just capable of doing what is needed. BTW the 12lb. bass I caught (largest for me) is not on my wall to brag about, it is back in the lake where it was caught.

By: Loner on 6/6/13 at 9:53

Bfra...is this more like it?


By: brrrrk on 6/6/13 at 10:00

yogiman said

"I'll admit, I don't have the same knowledge you and your backing fellow posters on this site have. Thank God for that. I like my knowledge better."

Knowledge is subjective?