Up for Debate: Palestinian upgrade

Thursday, November 29, 2012 at 10:52pm

What is your reaction to the United Nations vote to upgrade the Palestinian Authority to observer status? What do you think it means for the U.S. and Israel?

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44 Comments on this post:

By: Rasputin72 on 11/30/12 at 2:15

I think it means that the United Nations is as worthless as tits on boar hog.

As far as the United States is concerned I think that they should pull the plug on being the principal financial support of this organization.

As far as Israel is concerned, I laud these highly intelligent and well finamced bastards in their quest to hold on to what they have rightly earned from the 1967 war and other skirmishs they have won from the Arab muslims.

In the words of the English philosopher I.P.Freely. "Let the Big Dog Eat"

By: Captain Nemo on 11/30/12 at 5:15

I think it means that there is movement in the Middle-east. Now what the out come will be is still in the hands of mad men.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/30/12 at 5:18

I think Ratputin has the Morales of a rat. Let the Big Rat Naw.

By: tomba1 on 11/30/12 at 5:58

If the UN triggers some movement in the Middle-east, it must be of the bowel.

By: yogiman on 11/30/12 at 7:07

The UN's goal is a one world government and with their boy in DC now, they're going to make every effort.

I understood it's founding was for a world of peace among nations but they've refused membership to peaceful nations and welcomed war loving nations.

They want control of the earth, especially the USA.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/12 at 7:09

I think that Loner's going to have a field day...

Yes, it's a global conspiracy...lol

TN is a tin-foil salesman's wet dream.

By: Loner on 11/30/12 at 7:18

Good morning, Nashville. This is an excellent topic for discussion.

I left this post on an Israeli site, Haaretz, on the 29th of November. It has received 242 thumbs ups and only 20 thumbs down...it is the top comment out of 47 comments posted on the article...here's the text:

By new_york_loner
29 Nov 2012
04:37AM

Israel has had 45 years to resolve the Occupied Territories issue...the Palestinians are right and justified, if they bring the issue to the United Nations for resolution...after all, the UN partitioned Palestine without Arab consent, in November, 1947...it's time for the UN to revisit its original sin and make amends...the UN created the problem, the UN should resolve the problem. (end of post)

URL:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/with-palestinians-near-certain-to-win-un-recognition-israel-increasingly-isolated.premium-1.481242?block=true

That same post, in the LA Times, received only 5 thumbs ups and 12 thumbs downs. Here's that URL:

http://discussions.latimes.com/20/lanews/la-fg-un-palestinians-20121129/10

The overwhelming positive response in Israel is rather heartening; maybe the Israelis are sick of perpetual holy war and they may want to settle....the negative response that my post received in LA , anecdotal though it may be, indicates that Americans may be more anti-Palestinian than the Israelis are.

BTW, Nov 29th marked 65 years since the UN foolishly partitioned Palestine against the will of the Arab majority living there....the Jewish militias began their ethnic cleansing campaign as soon as the partition plan was announced...nearly 900,000 Arabs were displaced to create the Jewish state in Palestine....hundreds of thousands of those stateless people and their descendants live in squalid refugee camps.....and still, some wonder why the US and Israel are so hated.

By: Loner on 11/30/12 at 7:22

There's nothing "tin-foil hat" about my post...it's been vetted in Israel, the West Coast and now here....go ahead throw the anti-Semitic card, I expect that.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/12 at 7:26

Loner, the tin-foil remark was aimed at yogi...he's in TN...you're in NY...Chill.

By: Rasputin72 on 11/30/12 at 7:42

LONER...........On behalf of the Jews on Wall Street I want you to know that "Might has always made right" at least historically speaking. You are just a "pith in the wind"

By: Loner on 11/30/12 at 7:48

Thank you for the clarification, Gd....it's 28F outside, with a high of 30F expected today...we chilllin'.

I'm heading down into the Finger Lakes region this afternoon...Keuka Lake wineries...Hammondsport area....Penn Yan area....weekend retreat....could face some snow on the drive...yeah, Summer's over, baby.

By: yogiman on 11/30/12 at 7:57

Ah, gdiafante,

I'm a native Tennessean. Even a native of Nashville. And a a Tennessean who loves this nation, I'm going to put my two cents in on what ever subject is brought forth.

But, you know, it seems great Loner can have his dismal remarks about Israel, but I shouldn't make a negative comment about your favorite man, Barry Soetoro.

Fergit it, fella. Until we get this nation back, I'm gonna equal to Loner's dismay toward Israel on my gripe about Barry Soetoto. And if he's in that office officially, prove it.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/12 at 8:02

And if he's in that office officially, prove it.<?I>

You really are retarded. I've been asking you to post the law all week and you can't do it. Denial can be an ugly thing. Even uglier when it's attached to ignorance.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/12 at 8:02

By: gdiafante on 11/30/12 at 8:02

Sorry, f'd up the italianizing...lol

By: Loner on 11/30/12 at 8:07

Here's a link to an article with a video of the perpetually brooding Israeli Prime Minister, as he sulks, scowls and stews over the Palestinian upgrade at the UN. Remember, this hate-filled nut-job could order the Samson Option at any time....check out the comb-over commander's arrogance here:

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/netanyahus-statement-on-the-palestinian-un-vote-video/2012/11/29/

BTW, Israel's own legitimacy can be traced to a single UNGA resolution...when the Israelis de-legitimatize the UN, they de-legitimatize their own state.

No state has ignored more UN resolutions than Israel has.

Israeli militiamen assassinated the UN's first peace negotiator, Count Bernadotte, on September 17, 1948...the UN should have pulled the plug on the failed experiment right than and there...they didn't....we are dealing with the results of the UN's failure to act responsibly in the beginning....and its dereliction of duty ever since.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/30/12 at 8:52

LOL, g!

In the past 10 years alone, Americans have given Israel the equivalent of approximately $200,000 per Israeli family of five. In addition, there have been weapons subsidies, loan forgiveness programs, special trade preferences, and other generous gifts from American taxpayers to Israel. In fact, despite being one of the world’ smallest nations, Israel receives more U.S. tax money than any other country.

http://original.antiwar.com/alison-weir/2011/08/31/american-taxpayers-subsidize-israels-prosperity/

By: parnell3rd on 11/30/12 at 8:52

That's right the UN voted for Palestein State were women have no rights and slavery is not illegal in the new State.
How came the liberals are not jumping all over Pres. Obama and Sec. of State Clinton for opposing UN vote?
If they had been repubs, the libs would ne screaming.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/30/12 at 8:54

The State of Israel should never have been established. To go in and take Palestinian land and "give" it to the Jews then fund them to become heavily armed and look the other way when they break their own treaties and instigate warfare with neighboring nation is absurd.

By: parnell3rd on 11/30/12 at 8:56

Now the President will be off on his 20 day $4 million taxpayer funded vacation. Remember, The President is not paying higher taxes, he takes every deduction he can take!

By: parnell3rd on 11/30/12 at 8:56

Ahhh, it's off to work!

By: Kosh III on 11/30/12 at 9:00

Egypt should take back the Gaza Strip.

Israel should annex the West Bank and make the people there FULL citizens of Israel.
Of course, then Christian and Muslim Arabs would be the majority and Jews would be a minority but hey! they're a democracy--at least that's the rhetoric we always hear.

By: Loner on 11/30/12 at 9:14

Kosh: The one-state solution...the bi-national state...is the only way to go...too many Israeli settlements on land that was supposed to be part of a Palestinian state....the proposed Palestinian state would not be contiguous, would not control its own ports, borders and airspace...it would have no army, navy or air force....that's not a sovereign state and the Pals would be fools to accept such a raw deal.

As for Gaza, the Palestinians there are displaced persons; many of them had land in what is now Israel proper....what about their rights?

I think that Gaza should be included in the Greater Israel, 1-state plan...over a million Pals live there and unless they too get some degree of justice, peace will never happen...no peace w/o justice.

The idea that Israel must maintain a Jewish majority is a racist anomaly from the 19th century...or earlier....if a Jewish majority is essential, then Israel is not a pluralistic democracy, it is a Jewish theocracy. The US taxpayer should not be establishing, arming, defending and financing any theocracy, Jewish or whatever.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/30/12 at 9:15

Spot on, Loner.

By: Rasputin72 on 11/30/12 at 9:23

LONER........The One State solution certainly looks good on paper but if you look at the United States at present you should be able to see clearly that diversity will be catalyst that destroys this country and brings financial and social ruin.

I cannot see anything but chaos with jews and muslims trying to "assimilate"

By: Loner on 11/30/12 at 9:25

Parnell, I did not vote for BHO for a second term....Susan Rice was regurgitating the Israeli Embassy talking points as she made an ass of herself at the UN yesterday....her strident and high-pitched rant reminded me of the other black Rice woman who carried water for the neocons - Condi Rice.

Why do we need another black woman named Rice as US Secretary of State? Is Obama trying to tell Bush and the neocons that his Rice is whiter on the inside than their Rice?

Listening to an American black woman shill for the scofflaw Israelis was more than I could bear....I switched channels....the McCain lynch mob is right, Rice has to go....but not for the reasons that McCain et al. claim.....she's unfit by personality, not corruption or incompetence, IMO.

By: gdiafante on 11/30/12 at 9:41

I must have missed the part where Obama has nominated Rice.

I have no opinion one way or the other about her personally, but it seems she's the scape-goat for Benghazi. No one had a problem when Secretary of State Rice mislead the American public during the rush to war in Iraq. In fact, she was praised.

Why are people so outraged about the semantics of Rice after the attack and not concerned about the security failings before and during the attack? I don't give a rats ass about who did it, why was it so easy for them to kill four Americans? That should be the concern.

By: Loner on 11/30/12 at 9:43

Rasp: Arabs (Semites) and Jews co-existed in Palestine for hundreds of years during the Pax Romana and after the Romans abandoned the place...the Great Crusades in the 11tth, 12th & 13th centuries were battles between Christians and Muslims...the Jews were not part of the liberation of Palestine movement at that time; that was a Christian mission.

After Islam swept over the region, in the 7th century, Jews and Muslims got along quite well, until Zionists started to flood the place, after Th. Herzl published, Der Judenstaat, in 1896.

The flood of Jews into Palestine increased with the Balfour Declaration in 1917.

When the UN partitioned Palestine in 1947, the Jews began their ethnic cleansing campaign in earnest. When the Jews declared their independence in May, 1948, the Arab-Israeli conflict went into high gear.

The Jewish land grab in the Six-Day War has taken 45 years to resolve...enough is enough...direct negotiations between the two parties has failed....time for the UN to resolve the issue.

Zionism has been counterproductive to its stated goal of saving the Jewish race from annihilation....Zionism is a form of racism, IMO and as such it generates antisemitism. Not only that, concentration enables annihilation...dispersal insures survival...Herzl got it backwards.

By: Loner on 11/30/12 at 9:54

Bn, re: your 8:15, thanks for the kind word.

One wonders how and why the US federal government is so beholden to the Jewish state...the wonderment fades when one sees a chart like this one:

http://maplight.org/us-congress/interest/J5100/view/all

Of course, we Americans have no reciprocal control over the Knesset, the Israelis would never tolerate that...but those of us who complain about the Israel lobby and the Israeli Super-PACs are immediately and routinely branded as "Jew-haters"....personally, I've had about enough of that crap....time to stand up for the United States of America, not the Jewish State in Palestine....time to put some daylight between the US and Jewish Jim Crow & Israeli apartheid.

By: Loner on 11/30/12 at 10:00

Susan Rice has not been officially nominated for the job at State, all the trial balloons have all been shot down, yet BHO remains firm in his support for Rice..he has invested political capital into this, if he caves now, he looks weak...if he goes forward with a formal nomination, there will be a bitter fight over it...is it worth it?

By: gdiafante on 11/30/12 at 10:22

All he said was that he supports Rice and if he thinks she's the best person for the job, he'll nominate her. From there, the media took off.

Too bad Emanuel isn't available...can you imagine him at State? lol

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/30/12 at 10:49

Emanuel? Bwhahahahaha!!!! That's funny!

By: yogiman on 11/30/12 at 1:16

I follow the Constitution gdiafande. Apparently you like to use it to wipe your a$$. A former Marine? Gimma a break.

Where in the Constitution does it state a child of a foreign student (from Kenya) can become president of the USA because their birth is by a teenage American girl?

Because our "beloved" Senate decided, and determined, John McCain was constitutionally eligible because both of his parents were American citizens, did they also determine Barack Obama was also eligible with a foreign father with only one parent an American citizen?

I don't remember reading that decision in their finding.

Remember, Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama brought that argument up when he threw his hat in the ring and the vote was 99-0. McCain was the only one who didn't cat a vote on the issue because he was the subject.

Read the Constitution again, if you ever have before. Study Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5 and explain how it means a foreigner can be our president.

By: yogiman on 12/1/12 at 7:48

Loner,

I believe you'll find Israel was being attacked from all sides when they decided to knock the hell out or their neighbors to get them off their back. Tell me, can you name on incident when Israel started a war?

Don't you believe in self defense? Don't you believe in defending the USA against an obvious usurper? That is, unless you're one of the usurper's comrades.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/1/12 at 7:53

It is a great life.

By: bfra on 12/1/12 at 8:05

I believe in defending the United States from traitors like yogi, that should be tried for treason, for posting lies about our President.

By: Ask01 on 12/1/12 at 8:32

Instead of droning on endlessly, as the wife is ready to go shopping, let me just declare simply my belief we need to extricate ourselves from this part of the world.

Except for a well operating covert intelligence collection corps to keep an eye on them, we need to allow the Middle East to vaporize itself, containing the mayhem if possible. once they have bottomed out probably at a pre stone age level, we can monitor the region until intelligent life surfaces.

Conflict has been everpresent in this region for centuries. The United States and numerous other countries have tried valiantly to smooth centuries old animosities between peoples who do not want to reconcile.

Cut to the chase, let them have it out once and for all then deal with the winner.

By: yogiman on 12/1/12 at 9:17

Ask01,

The US has been the "world protector" since our Revolution. The population has grown too fast, too large, and it takes wars to keep the population down to human size.

By: yogiman on 12/1/12 at 9:27

I'm sure in your feeble mind I'm a traitor because I want a Constitutionally eligible person in the Oval Office as our President, bfra.

So tell me: Just who in the hell is that man sitting there now. Is his name Barack Obama..., or is it Barry Soetoro? When did he officially change his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Obama... if he did? As a politician, why didn't he announce it?

According to our Constitution (if you've ever read it) when did a Kenyan citizen become Constitutionally eligible for that office? And don't give me 'because of his momma' crap.

So tell me, is his legitimate name Barry Soetoro or Barack Obama?

By: bfra on 12/1/12 at 9:45

yogi you are not even fit for intelligent human beings to wipe their shoes on!

By: Captain Nemo on 12/1/12 at 9:48

The US became world busy-body since the early 1800's.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/1/12 at 9:53

You bfra that the fool has no sense of history. It has no luck in predicting future events and has no idea of what is going on outside his bride.

Now enough wasted time of foolish corrections of a moron.

It is a beautiful day and I hope you will enjoy it too bfra. ;-)

By: yogiman on 12/1/12 at 3:33

Speak for yourself, fool.

bfra, you're exposing your political party idiocy by accepting a man as your "president" when you have no idea who in the hell he is; a man who will not offer any evidence of who he is.

If you feel so strongly he is in office legally, can you explain why he's using so many fake identity papers? You know, a birth certificate, Social Security Number, registration number, and more. If its a required American number he's using, it's a fake.

Why do you think he has all of his papers under lock and key? Why do you think he's spent millions to keep them under lock and key?

Why has no president before him hidden his identity?

I'm sure if you could site evidence of proof you would have proven me wrong from the very beginning of this argument, wouldn't you..., with a feeling of joy. Sorry, bfra, you will never get that joyous feeling.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/1/12 at 4:52

What a great day it has been. It looks has if it will be a beautiful sunset to end this great day.