Up for Debate: Panel says judge violated code of ethics, won't be disciplined

Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 10:25pm

As reported by the Associated Press, a federal panel of judges said Thursday that a U.S. bankruptcy judge in Middle Tennessee violated the judiciary's code of ethics by being a long-standing member of the Belle Meade Country Club, which has no women or blacks as members. But, the panel decided not to discipline Judge George Paine II because he plans to retire soon. Should the judge face disciplinary action regardless of when he's set to retire, or does any issue with his judgeship and his Belle Meade Country Club status simply not warrant action?

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77 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 12:29

His retirement status should be of no concern on his judgeship. Would it be a different thought if he was at the beginning of his career?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 1:40

I think he should be discipline and set an example no matter what age. If nothing else he should be made to retire early and reductions in retirement pay.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 1:51

From yesterday

I like these too

By: BenDover on 11/17/11 at 3:46
My top 7 from loner's list above.

1-Metro Master Debaters
2-Throw The Flag! (tie)
2-The Whine Cellar (tie)
4-Common Taters
5-Spill The Beans!
6-Open Bitch
7-People's Pulpit

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 1:56

We know this ain't going to happen, because the old fool has already forgotten he has made it. But don’t worry, I have place this in the yogi files and will bring it out at the appropriate time to shove it in his face.
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By: yogiman on 11/17/11 at 4:56
Loner,

Tell you what I'll do. Y'all put up with me until 11/6/2012 and I'll "shut up", whether said usurper wins or looses. Then y'all can have this site back to yourselves for your little 'self-friendly' 'git' togethers.

By: dargent7 on 11/18/11 at 6:17

I worked at Hillwood CC., Richland CC., and Belle Meade.
Same demographics.
No blacks, Jews, Mexicans.
But, women?
Belle Meade have 90% married men....the wives can't have dinner there?
I saw them. They played golf, too.
What's the story? They cannot join as a "single"?
What if they're widowed, the old man kicks at the 18th Hole, can't the wife assume his membership?
You'd think there'd be 100's of lawsuits if all these groups were denied Membership based on their race or gender. Half of all Members are lawyers, too.
I guess they also like the "White's Only" special status.
Tennessee sure is a strange place.

By: bfra on 11/18/11 at 6:55

Doesn't matter when he retires, he should be hit with every penalty possible for violating the codes of ethics. Biggest problem with this city now, the good ole boy tactics!

By: dargent7 on 11/18/11 at 7:04

bfra: Where was he to play golf?
All Tennessee's Country Club are virtually the same.
Accusing this guy ( of what, racism?) and penalizing him for a culture in the south over a 100 years old isn't right.
Should Al Gore been denied the VP slot because he LIVES in Belle Meade and just can't play golf?

By: govskeptic on 11/18/11 at 7:08

darg:

Which of the many exclusions you just mentioned have kept you from
belonging to one of the 3 clubs mentioned, versus just bartendering
there? I suspect that the Court's Judiciary discipline panel let's slide
some much more serious egregious behavior by many Federal Judges
than which Country Club they happen to belong to! This is just one of
many rulings (or no ruling at all) that is putting the Federal Judiciary
into the Status of just another failed government institution that's no
better than many of the other branches!

By: bfra on 11/18/11 at 7:10

d7 - He is a judge and if he knows anything about laws & ethics (which he very well should), he knew he was violating ethics. YES he should be penalized and I don't care where he plays golf or goof ball!

By: dargent7 on 11/18/11 at 7:38

bf: Well...I worked at Hillwood CC in the Men's Grill. They had a plaque on the Entrance door stating: "NO Women Allowed".
Being from Detroit, kinda dumb and stupid, I asked if that was legal in 2009? "It's 2009 for Christ's sake!".
"They" said it was. Who's the "they"?
3 judges and over 15 lawyers. All married.
Same program over at Richland.
This judge didn't set the rules or make up the culture. He lives within it.
Can't play golf at an exclusive, filthy rich, all white CC? It's the south, people.

By: dargent7 on 11/18/11 at 7:45

This one judge always asked for his Martini to be, "made like my wife...make it real Dirty..." (Geez Judge).
Should I have reported him to the bar? He was already AT the bar.
Judges are just people too, you know.

By: dargent7 on 11/18/11 at 7:57

gov: Belong to? A Country Club? I can hardly afford my YMCA dues.
What do you suggest? Board up these places? Have Affirmative Action and government subsidies to allow Mexicans to join at half price and the gov't picks up the rest?

By: Kosh III on 11/18/11 at 8:12

Gore did not live in BM until after the election of 2000 was stolen from him.

Where will the judge play?
How about one of the many fine public courses such as Shelby or Rhodes?
I know! I know! He'd have to endure being so close to us ordinary citizen riff-raff.........

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 8:26

dargent7,

A private club is just that, a private club. They have their reasons for forming such an organization and the right to pick whom they want for membership. Its like "picking your buddies",
you know?

For the 'law' to tell private clubs they must open their doors to whomsoever wants to "join" is like telling you you must open your door to your home to anyone that want's to come in and live there.

By: dargent7 on 11/18/11 at 8:27

Now, if this judge was hearing cases from members at Belle Meade, he should recuse himself.
Otherwise, tee-off!

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 8:35

Kosh III,

I'm sure you're an Al Gore fan. But if the election was "stolen" from him, why do you think he denied our servicemen the right to vote? If he was the best "man for the job", don't you think he would have wanted the servicemen to vote for him? Or was it because he felt so sure they would vote against him?

And why did the court find the count against him on all re-counts?

Hell, if he had won his "home-state", the count wouldn't have been needed, would it?

By: Kosh III on 11/18/11 at 8:39

Here's a bit of sad humor for the day

http://www.carlsontoons.com/getting-intents/

By: Kosh III on 11/18/11 at 8:41

Can you provide proof that our mercenary forces were denied the right to vote?

Didn't the usurper Bush do the same thing in 04?

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 8:42

I agree, dargent7. That would be like brother judging against his brother.

In my earlier lifetime, I've known brothers whom would use their brother to set a prime example of being proper under the laws. But, hell, "them wuz the good ole days". The "good ole days' are days of past history.

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 8:47

I only know what I read in the papers and hear in the news. Were they lying? I don't know. But I do know I never talked to one serviceman that spoke good about Al Gore.

And knowing Al Gore and his parents, I sure wouldn't vote for him.

I'll admit, I did vote for him in his first run for the House. But then I learned what a liar he was.

By: dargent7 on 11/18/11 at 8:54

The "good ole' days" are alive and well in the South.
It's exposed at these ultra-rich Country Clubs.
There's a 3 member panel you have to go before AFTER you're recommended by at least 5 members. How many Black people do you even know, much less have the money to join Belle Meade?
So, if you're Black, you'd better be Chief of Medicine at Vanderbilt or own a baseball team.
My guess is that minorities wouldn't feel comfortable around these "white" guys anyway.
I know I wouldn't feel comfortable being the only White guy at an all Black club, school, anything.
Or in attending any Muslim Mosque prayer group.

By: dargent7 on 11/18/11 at 9:03

We should embrace our differences. Instead, in America, we're meant to feel guilty if we want to "hang out" with "our own".
This homoginization of our separate cultures is b.s. Integrating Shari'ha Law here in the USA is totally insane and will ruin America, forever.
eg., In most major cities, they have, "Little Italy", Greek Town", China Town", "Mexican Village: Old Town".
Last time I visited San Francisco, I went to "Chinatown" for some herbal stuff.
You wouldn't believe the looks I got. Everyone thought I was from the ICE squad, IRS, or DEA. I couldn't wait to get the hell out.
You just cannot legislate some's comfort level or strip them of their affiliation to their ethnic origins.

By: Loner on 11/18/11 at 9:33

Good morning, Nashville.

So, the judge is a rich, gay, white guy? Whatever.

My lovely and talented suite partner says, "Spank him with a wooden spoon." Women know best...I concur.

By: bfra on 11/18/11 at 9:44

Any Judge, rich, poor, whatever color should follow rules & regulations. They are not above the law! Bellemeade or shanty town.

By: BenDover on 11/18/11 at 9:47

Right of association... separatism is not illegal in a private club. They can probably smoke there too if they like.

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 9:50

Apparently you didn't do too well in history in your days in school, dargent7. Let me give you a little lesson: The biggest problem we have in our nation today is the people we have as members of OUR Congress.

At the beginning of US history, members of Congress felt they were in office to serve the people. That was good for several decades. Then some 'members' figured out they could make it a career and wouldn't have to "work" for a living in honest labor.

They convinced "the people" they should keep them in office because their 'seniority' in office would give them more power over the "junior" members. They have now reached the power of command by seniority. And the uneducated citizens (like you) agreed to keep the greedy members in office. I have never voted for anyone for more than two terms in office.

Now, after only a quarter of a century, they have taken us down the hill into hell as our masters instead of our servants. This is not the same USA I was born into in 1930.

We have had good an bad men in the Oval Office since the beginning of our history. What do we have now? We now have a man ruling by executive order instead of working with Congress. That's commonly called the work of a dictator. Why is Congress allowing it to happen?

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 9:54

BenDover,

The smoking "laws and regulations" of today should show the common citizens of our nation the power Congress has placed themselves over "we the people".

They now rule us. They don't represent us anymore.

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 10:10

dargent7,

You made a comment about the way you was "treated" in Chinatown in San Francisco. Again, 'the times they are a changing'.

I enjoyed Chinatown many times in the late 40s and mid 50s. I can't remember any person looking at me the "wrong" way. Back then they were all friendly people and just wanted you to buy something.

By: bfra on 11/18/11 at 10:14

yogi - Maybe it was like in the olden days, indians wouldn't have anything to do with someone that acted "crazy"!

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 10:16

Nice link Kosh.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 10:18

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 8:50
Apparently you didn't do too well in history in your days in school, dargent7. Let me give you a little lesson: The biggest problem we have in our nation today is the people we have as members of OUR Congress.

This comes from an old fogi who history is more hysterical than facts.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 10:19

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 8:54
BenDover,
The smoking "laws and regulations" of today should show the common citizens of our nation the power Congress has placed themselves over "we the people".
They now rule us. They don't represent us anymore.
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That is right, this congress is ruled by the GOP and they want total rule over the people.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 10:26

If they were to make a TV game show for yogi, it would be called Are you Smarter than a Nursery School Toddler?

By: gdiafante on 11/18/11 at 10:29

Yogi, Congress has the lowest approval rating in history. Why? Because they can't agree on anything. No wonder Obama has to issue executive orders, otherwise nothing would get done.

People are saavy to the games being played. Neither party is going to get a pass. But, given the clowns involved, it's likely nothing will change.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 10:42

As reported by the Associated Press, a federal panel of judges said Thursday that a U.S. bankruptcy judge in Middle Tennessee violated the judiciary's code of ethics by being a long-standing member of the Belle Meade Country Club,
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Now let us break this down a little. He is a judge and a then there are judiciary codes of ethics, in which he violated. That is simple…well maybe not enough for yogi to understand.

He is found in violation of these codes by his peers, but since he his retiring they do nothing. We get people on this board making excuses that he has to play golf and there for it is alright for him not to receive any penalty.

Something is wrong with the system and the public is part of what is wrong.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 10:44

Hello gdia.

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 10:44

I agree, gdiafante,

The people have finally woken up. Next year is going to be very interesting to see what kind of turnover we have. But, no, executive orders are normally issued in emergency situations. Not at the will of the president.

And dumba..,

Which party was in power when the smoking laws began?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 10:54

Off Subject

At Cain’s Nashua rally, which drew about 250 people to a room equipped to handle at least twice that number, he addressed what he called his “powerful pause that went viral on the Internet,” saying that he can’t be expected to have a deep knowledge of foreign affairs.

“Who knows every detail of every country of every situation on the planet?” Cain asked the crowd. “Nobody! A leader is supposed to make sure we work on the right problems, we’re assigned the right priorities. Surround yourself with good people, put together plans and lead. We’ve got plenty of experts, and a leader knows how to use those experts. We need a leader, not a reader.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68607.html

By: BenDover on 11/18/11 at 10:55

"No wonder Obama has to issue executive orders, otherwise nothing would get done."

I voted FOR gridlock because of what they WERE getting done gd.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 10:57

There you go Dung Beetle, blowing smoke out your ass. We are talking about the congress you are whining about today. Not yesterday.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 11:01

Gridlock R US

GOP-

By: dargent7 on 11/18/11 at 11:13

So, the Chinese "accepted" you American dollar in the 40's and 50"s?
It's 2011 pal. Try going there and asking for a nice table at any restaurant now.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 11:23

I had to go to Oak Ridge early this morning, to fix a problem. The frost was heavy and glowing green. :-D

By: BenDover on 11/18/11 at 11:27

It beats the crap out of spending two years "focused like a laser" on jobs -- while at the same time nationalizing 1/5 of the US economy with the unconstitutional Obamacare fiasco and then blowing $1,000,000,000,000+ in pork debt that my grandkids have yet to earn trying to maintain power in congress.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/18/11 at 11:31

I let the other debate that with you Ben. I got to get some sleep; I’m nodding off and bumping my head on the keyboard. lol

If I don’t get back today have a good weekend.

By: budlight on 11/18/11 at 11:42

I have a question or two. Are there any white shows on the Black Entertainment Network and if so are they winning any awards? Or if I'm white, will the NAACP help me? Or does the Black Congressional Congress allow whites in on their meetings. I do not care about joining a country club. BUT if someone has the funds and the inkling to join, I bet they would be allowed to join, regardless of race or sex. It's about Money, not race.

But anyway, have a nice day.

By: BenDover on 11/18/11 at 11:47

Rest well Nemo... after your trip to Oak Ridge hopefully you won't wake up a mutated Mothra or Gamera... Take care.

By: BenDover on 11/18/11 at 11:51

Speaking of that... Japan... Nuclear accident... it's just a matter of time guys...

By: yogiman on 11/18/11 at 11:53

No, budlight, the Black Caucus of Congress won't let a white congressmen join "their" club. Rep Cohen of Memphis tried to join because the district he is representing in Memphis is primarily black citizens. They wouldn't allow him to "join" because he is white.

By: BenDover on 11/18/11 at 12:23

You make a good point yogi. Evidently belonging to a race-exclusive club is outside the code of conduct and ethics for Tennessee Judges though so in agreeing to become a Tennessee judge this would inhibit his membership in such an organization. I thought they did allow some black guys in a while back though? Am I remembering incorrectly?