Up for Debate: Payroll tax cut deal

Wednesday, February 15, 2012 at 12:57am

What is your first take on reports that Congress has reached a tentative deal to extend unemployment benefits and the payroll tax cut while possibly avoiding fee cuts for Medicare doctors?

 

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101 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 2/15/12 at 11:02

Call it what you like, BenDover. For you to say you are willing to give this nation away simply because the effort to prevent the takeover would place us in a "fight", where in the hell do you think this nation came from; kissing the British King's ass?

No thank you. I love my old American and I'd much rather leave that to my grandchildren than the one you want to give them.

By: yogiman on 2/15/12 at 11:13

Let me place this thought on you, BenDover:

Do you own your home? If not, of course you can move out within the next hour. But let's say you do own your home and a couple of Negroes come to your door and say; We want your home. You need to move out and give it to us today because we are black.

What would be your reaction? Give to them or tell them to go to hell? So, what is the difference between your home and the USA?

Or could it be because you would think I should give them my home just because they wanted yours? I'd say; Hell no! You ain't gettin' it without a hellava fight, so try me.

By: yogiman on 2/15/12 at 11:16

Let me place this thought on you, BenDover:

Do you own your home? If not, of course you can move out within the next hour. But let's say you do own your home and a couple of Negroes come to your door and say; We want your home. You need to move out and give it to us today because we are black.

What would be your reaction? Give to them or tell them to go to hell? So, what is the difference between your home and the USA?

Or could it be because you would think I should give them my home just because they wanted yours? I'd say; Hell no! You ain't gettin' it without a hellava fight, so try me.

By: yogiman on 2/15/12 at 11:19

Sorry,

I hit the button twice. But it wouldn't hurt for you to read it twice and put some sense in your skull.

By: jvh2b on 2/15/12 at 11:36

No need to worry Ben....I'd say it's crystal clear he's nutter than squirrel poop.

By: brrrrk on 2/15/12 at 11:40

jvh2b said

"No need to worry Ben....I'd say it's crystal clear he's nutter than squirrel poop."

HEY!!! Why dump on squirrel poop?!?!

By: jvh2b on 2/15/12 at 11:45

touche brrrrk....touche

By: brrrrk on 2/15/12 at 11:46

yogiman said

"Barry the boy's main factor was, and is, he was not legally eligible to run for that office."

And remember, he's not racist.....

By: Ask01 on 2/15/12 at 11:53

Yogi, Loner, Ben, guys c'mon, and calm down. Geeze, I'm the one prescribed prozac and klonopin at least once a day. I'd offer to share, but 1) that would be illegal, and 2) most importantly I need them for myself. Sadly, keeps me from driving, but on the upside, they keep me sane. Barely.

I'm the one who should be having psychotic, not to be confused with pyschic, episodes.

By: yogiman on 2/15/12 at 11:53

You're right, brrrrk. Unlike you, and many of your co-poster, I'm not a racist. I voted for another black man when you dummies voted for Barry. The black man I voted for was a natural born American citizen.

And if you children want some fun, check out 'Obama eligibility court case..blow by blow' on google. Enjoy!

By: bfra on 2/15/12 at 12:01

yogi loves Obama so much, he post all his garbage nonsense, hoping Obama or some of his aides will notice & respond.

By: yogiman on 2/15/12 at 12:04

Ask01,

A little fun for you, too. To quote Thomas Jefferson, he said: "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people of good conscience to remain silent."

On that trial of January 26, when Judge Mahili ruled Obama will remain on their ballot, tyranny was established.

Let's see what happens as long as you folks remain silent. How many people like me will it take to take this nation back from this regime? I would hope a lot of young people get their feet on the ground because I'm too damned old and decrepit to fight them by myself. But you can bet your a$$ I won't quit until I simply can't get back up and don't have he strength to shoot from the ground.

But then, remember, I wasn't "educated" by the "guvmunt", y'all were.

By: Ask01 on 2/15/12 at 12:08

Ben makes an excellent point.

The birth issue has been rendered moot at this point and I have reasons for believing this. One, Barak Obama is is office, what are you going to do? Do we really want to send congress on a witch hunt like the McCarthy hearings? Do we want to spend huge sums of money as with the Clinton scandal when, what did we actually learn? We learned, (and I would have told you this for a whole steamship round, as expensive as meat is) IF you ask a married man if he had sexual relations with a younger woman, and his is liable to find out, HE WILL LIE!

Second reason, even if after expending much money and stirring up anger on both sides, what do you do? Throw him out? Part of the population will be ecstatic, the other part enraged. Result? Violence. To what level, I shudder to think.

Meanwhile the rest of the world stands back and snickers at the foolish Americans. At best. At worst, while we are indulging ourselves with a Greek style meltdown, one or more nations this is a good time to dispatch "peace keeping teams" to quell the civil unrest. Sort of like we do all the time.

So, let it go, and vote him out if you don't like him. In the meantime, let us collectively encourage, nay order congress to fix the country under threat of being voted out.

OK, now I need my meds.

By: bfra on 2/15/12 at 12:08

yogi - It has been acknowledged many times, the evidence that you aren't educated, you didn't have to tell anyone that.

By: brrrrk on 2/15/12 at 12:34

I know a co-worker (graduated from Auburn, signed with the Raiders) who'd love nothing more than to have a "sit down" with yogi and discuss his use of the word "boy". :-)

By: chiefpayne568 on 2/15/12 at 12:42

IMO, this is a stupid move.

It won't help many people and those it will help won't get much from it. Further, it will help bankrupt the Social Security system just that much quicker.

Ah well, I didn't plan on getting anything from it when I retire anyway. Frankly, MOST Americans don't.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/12 at 12:43

Best post so far!!

By: BenDover on 2/15/12 at 10:55
yogi... I fear you are literally insane.

By: chiefpayne568 on 2/15/12 at 12:44

BTW Gdia,

BAD time to cut back on defense spending...unless you are suggesting we cut back on the contractors. We would agree there. But when the budget for DoD is $850 billion a year and it only takes $100 billion to pay the active duty, reserve, AND veterans --- and then plan on cutting back the military due to costs...someone isn't looking at where the money's going, IMO.

By: dargent7 on 2/15/12 at 12:50

pswindle: Don't forget to add in the "Born Again in Jesus Christ" before the 'dry-drunk" status. That's before he killed 300,000 Iraqi's, "saving" them.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/12 at 12:51

But then, remember, I wasn't "educated" by the "guvmunt", y'all were.

yog-

So yogi you went to private school of the time. Not bad for sharecropper wages.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/12 at 12:58

chief-

The money went to Halliburton and Cheney

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/12 at 1:02

I think it was a bad time to cut back on taxes and go to war at the same time.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/12 at 1:09

CERTIFIGATE
Judge says Obama can be on Georgia ballot
Rejects plaintiffs demand to strike name from 2012 election
Published: 02/03/2012 at 5:57 PM

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/judge-says-obama-can-be-on-georgia-ballot/

By: LizzyD on 2/15/12 at 1:10

payroll "taxes" cut = Social Security & Medicare defunded

By: Loner on 2/15/12 at 1:46

All of this budget deficit and national debt is meaningless...it wasn't mentioned in the Book of Revelations, therefore it must be no biggie...same goes for "pollution", "global warming", "ozone holes" etc.

This old world is gonna be just fine...until Jesus returns and starts whupping major ass....so it is written.....and so believeth thy future Commander-in Chief....Richard the Zion-hearted....AKA: Santorum the Sanctimonious.

By: Loner on 2/15/12 at 2:25

Has this board died? Anybody still there?

By: chiefpayne568 on 2/15/12 at 2:29

Nemo,

As I understand it, Cheney didn't have control of his interests at that time. I WILL grant you though that a LOT of the money is going to contractors...and THAT irritates me greatly - ESPECIALLY when everyone is saying we need to reduce the number of military personnel.

We DON'T need to reduce the number of military personnel...we need to reduce the dependency on contractors the military seems to have and get back to being self-sustaining.

By: yogiman on 2/15/12 at 2:30

Ask01,

To comment the issue is moot because "Obama" is in office is moot in itself. The fact that Obama could steal the Oval Office of the USA should be the most oppressive fact in our future history books. And the fact that our "do-called" Congress allowed it to happen should alarm you more than anything in your past.

Its interesting, I just noted where the Supreme Court has agreed to accept a case on the issue of his legal eligibility. With the facts given by Obama being known, that should be more interesting, also.

Just think about it, we may be stuck with Joe Biden for the last several months of the year.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/12 at 2:31

Hello Loner I am, just waiting to see if the misinformed has any new about Obama. lol

By: BenDover on 2/15/12 at 2:32

Yogi, wtf? You prefer to toss him out on his arse leaving a wake of race riots and bloodshed rather than simply calling attention to his flawed ideology and tossing him out for being an immense failure as president?

Dude I'm a full blown rural GA red-neck from way back but I learned long ago that discretion is the better part of valor. Crank all that stuff up after the election if the country is stupid enough to elect this guy again; but in the mean time it would be much more prudent to toss him out with the election process and end Carter Redux without any unnecessary bloodshed.

By: chiefpayne568 on 2/15/12 at 2:33

Yogiman,

Be careful what you wish for! I'm being serious here. Joe Biden wasn't considered very smart by the liberal press, before he got into office.

Seriously, to me, that would be the worst case scenario.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/12 at 2:43

We DON'T need to reduce the number of military personnel...we need to reduce the dependency on contractors the military seems to have and get back to being self-sustaining.

July 15: Newsweek publishes the article, "Halliburton CEO Says Cheney Knew About Firm's Accounting Practices" revealing that Cheney was aware that the firm was counting projected cost overrun payments as revenues.39

July 29: A New York Times article quotes Cheney about corporate fraud: "The American people can be certain that the government will fully investigate and prosecute any wrongdoers". Cheney says the reform measure will "protect investors, bring more accountability to corporations and toughen controls of the accounting industry".40

July/August: It is revealed that while Vice President Cheney was Halliburton's CEO, the number of its subsidiary companies in offshore tax havens increased from 9 (in 1995) to 44 (in 1999). One of these subsidiaries (Halliburton Products and Services Ltd.), incorporated in the Caiman Islands, is used since 2000 to get around sanctions on doing business in Iran.41 At the same time, Halliburton's federal taxes dropped dramatically from $302 million in 1998 to an $85 million rebate in 1999.42

Despite these revelations, the company continues to be awarded massive government contracts, including a new 10-year deal with the Army with no lid on potential costs. In the year 2002 alone, Brown & Root received $1.3 billion for services to the U.S. government.43 These services include a $115 million contract to design and construct an embassy compound in Afghanistan; $37.3 million to build 816 detention cells at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; and $2 million to reinforce the U.S. embassy in Uzbekistan.44 As the press and Democratic Party leaders increasingly focus on Cheney's role in alleged accounting violations at Halliburton,45 the Bush administration turns the nation's attention to Iraq.

Read more.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/chronology.html

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/12 at 2:45

By: BenDover on 2/15/12 at 10:55
yogi... I fear you are literally insane.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/12 at 2:51

chief-

Sept. 14, 2003: On NBC's Meet the Press, Cheney said, "And since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president, I've severed all my ties with the company [Halliburton], gotten rid of all my financial interest. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had, now, for over three years." But the vice president conveniently forgot to mention that he continues to receive from the company deferred salary of over $150,000 per year while maintaining 433,333 shares of unexercised stock options.

By: Ask01 on 2/15/12 at 3:12

Thank you for the quote, yogi. I have always liked that little pearl of wisdom and am ashamed to admit I never realized the actua author.

Regarding returning President Obama to the Oval Office, it will not happen with my vote, because I am voting against any incumbent on the ballot this year. Period.

Allow me to share another quote I know came from Mr. Jefferson. It too has been oft quoted, but usually out of the context of the entire paragraph. I confess there is more in the letter, but I already have a tendency to ramble on.

"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."

Further reinforcing the idea dissent and freedom of speech is a necessary part of our society.

By: bfra on 2/15/12 at 3:13

If anybody thinks Cheney didn't know how much money he was making off Haliburton contracts, they are as big a fool as yogi!

By: pswindle on 2/15/12 at 3:22

Yogi,
Have you ever heard of Photo-shopping? Anything can be altered. I know because I have seen it done and only the foolish will fall for it.

By: dargent7 on 2/15/12 at 3:30

Chief: You're in the bottom of the 9th, bases loaded.
Cheney ran the Co., called the Presidency. Bush was his puppet.
Anyone with an IQ over 80 knows that.
Cheney was CEO of Halliburton who, lucky for them, got 100% of all the infrastructure contracts in the billions, as "No-Bid".
Now, when Obama leaves office, and has a Hall on the Harvard campus named after him, can we all say it's because he not only went there, but gave them a $10. million endowment?
How clear do you Repubs need this shit to be?

By: Loner on 2/15/12 at 3:30

Despicable Dick....the Chicken-Hawk Lobbyist who actually ran the country for 8 years while Junior Bush posed for pictures...and Ben fantasizes about a Jeb- Condi ticket n 2012....incredible.

By: pswindle on 2/15/12 at 3:34

Yogi,
I went to the internet and put in Colunbia University Barry Soetoro and it is a false Id and it is not issued by Colunbia and it is phostoshopped. All of this crap was started by Fox News. Maybe, now you can put this to rest.

By: brrrrk on 2/15/12 at 3:39

pswindle said

"Maybe, now you can put this to rest."

What!?!?! And give up his job as lead engineer on the crazy train?!?!?

By: yogiman on 2/15/12 at 3:41

BenDover,

In my younger years I was as quiet and polite as you could imagine (let's say; as I was allowed) and used discretion so politely a man would think I was congratulating him when I was cussin' him out.

But I've gotten to be an "old man" now and polite discretion can go to hell when they're trying to take my country away from my grandchildren.

I'll argue Obama didn't win the election. In the first place, you can't "win" an election if you aren't legally eligible and qualified to run in the election.

And by the way, I spent a few years in Georgia in Macon, Atlanta and Athens. Not too bad a place but I was glad to get back to Tennessee. In Athens you could sit on my side porch and watch Georgia play football.

By: bfra on 2/15/12 at 3:42

brrrrk - What!?!?! And give up his job as lead engineer on the crazy train?!?!?
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LOL, very aptly put! Still laughing!

By: Loner on 2/15/12 at 3:45

"Engineer"? More like an addled bum riding the rails in a hammock, under the floor of a shit-dripping cattle car...a real low rider.

By: bfra on 2/15/12 at 3:51

Loner - That fits also!

By: gdiafante on 2/15/12 at 3:56

Darge, you asked me this morning why I came back...after reading the day's posts, that's a good question. Still debating the birther nonsense...really constructive use of time.

And yes Ben, yogi is quite insane.

Yes Chief, cut the defense budget in half. Bring our boys home from the Middle East, Germany and Japan. The world's changed, we haven't.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/15/12 at 4:05

I’m glad you are back gdia.

Now I just stop wasting my time on nothing and skip the yogi post. LOL

By: gdiafante on 2/15/12 at 4:18

Thanks Nemo.

By: yogiman on 2/15/12 at 4:48

dumba..,

If you've stopped wasting your time on my posts, why are you wasting so much of your time making so many asinine comments; to and about me?

Just thought I'd ask, so you can skip it.

By: Loner on 2/15/12 at 5:14

Reading these comments without being soiled by Yogi's posts is like walking through a dog-shit filled yard on a dark night....check your shoes before going inside.