Up for Debate: Pre-debating the debate

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 at 1:26am

Ahead of Wednesday's first round in the presidential debates, what are your predictions of what the big talking points will be both during and after the debate? Which candidate do you think will come out on top?

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By: PKVol on 10/3/12 at 12:46

As we head into the first presidential debate tonight from Denver, I can't help but look back to election day, 2008 as it concerns gasoline prices.

On November 4, 2008, the average gas price in Nashville was a little under $2.00 per gallon.

Gas prices continued to fall to less than $1.50 by the end of 2008 and spiked to about $1.80 on January 20, 2009, the day the new president was sworn into office. Prices continued to climb to about $2.00 / gallon by the end of April, 2009, $2.25 by the end of September, 2009 and about $2.50 / gallon by the end of February, 2010. They've not been below $2.75 since mid December, 2010, nor below $3.00 since mid February 2011.

I'll let each of you make your own analysis of this data...

By: Loner on 10/3/12 at 12:50

No doubt about that, Gd, the GOP has been mining the mountains of Obama video out there...searching for that motherlode of hate....digging away in the dark...pick-axe & crowbar style....it's hard and dirty work, for sure....they keep working, but so far, there's no pay-dirt....and the danger of a cave-in is always present.

By: budlight on 10/3/12 at 12:57

PKVol, thank yo u for the intelligent post. I get what you are saying. "THEY" don't get it. "THEY" still think that Bush is in control of the gas prices. AND OMG, aren't they naive? (or is that native?)

Noticed how Loner just brushed by your intellectual post to continue with the dribble dribble stuff "THEY" post?

Speaking of "stuff: - hmmmmmmmmmmmm

"Loner on 10/3/12 at 1:08
Budlight is a narc and she admits it.....GIT A ROPE!!
By: Loner on 10/3/12 at 1:11
Around here, when a narc is outed, they sometimes get drawn and quartered, using 4 Harley Davidsons....paybacks are hell.

Loner, this is tantamount (equal to) a threat. "GIT A ROPE" is a racist statement. I have copied this and it is in my "tell it" file in case something happens to me. You are making me afraid to even leave the house. This is a case for "de juge" if I ever saw one. LOL

By: Loner on 10/3/12 at 1:03


Regular gasoline is at $4/gallon around here, right now. But do we hold the POTUS responsible for gas prices? How so?

The major energy companies and the energy markets are international in nature...the POTUS can only indirectly affect prices.

Invading an oil-rich nation, like Iraq, was supposed to bring the price of gas down...that was one of Cheney's pipe dreams....let's not hold President Obama accountable for that debacle.

And US boots on the ground in Afghanistan were supposed to have secured a safe route for an energy pipeline by now...again, that was a Bush-Cheney scheme....the plan backfired.

Now, if BHO decides to hit Iran and gas prices sky-rocket, then he would and should be held accountable.

By: gdiafante on 10/3/12 at 1:08

PK, how exactly does the POTUS manipulate oil prices? I'll wait...

By: budlight on 10/3/12 at 1:09

Obama has held office 4 years, 2 of which controlled by democratic congress. HE SAID HE would stop it all and bring gas prices down.

HE LIED. BUSH is NOT in office. Come to think of it, neither is Obama, thus the EMPTY CHAIR DIALOGUE BY CLINT EASTWOOD! Clint is brilliant! Obama is a liar and a thief.

By: Loner on 10/3/12 at 1:10

Bud outed herself as a narc...now I'm the cause of her anxiety?

Believe me, Karma does not need the lone one in order to function...haughty snitches, especially mouthy bitches, are asking for a Karmic smack-down....Online bragging about ratting out on people is a rather stupid thing to do....of course we all knew, Bud ain't that smart.

By: yogiman on 10/3/12 at 1:10


Do you believe those guys (who were admitted homosexual) were lying when they said Obama belonged to their club?

By: gdiafante on 10/3/12 at 1:12


Again, if anyone can show definitive proof that the POTUS has manipulate oil prices, stand up and be heard. Otherwise, quit your whining and learn how things work.

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 1:13

And bud is like 1 of the dead lice that falls off of people too lazy to work. Put that in your "de judge" file & sit on it!

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 1:15

(click) on 2:10

By: brrrrk on 10/3/12 at 1:20

gdiafante said

"PK, how exactly does the POTUS manipulate oil prices? I'll wait..."

To put it in the local vernacular.... He don't.

By: yogiman on 10/3/12 at 1:22


I can understand you being a Obama fan and "griping" about the GOP digging the dirt out on him and going along with Barry's insistence on Mitt showing his tax papers. Eleven years?

So would you mind explaining why you don't think Barry should show his birth certificate, SSN papers and his registration paper? Damn, that's only 3 against the 11 he wants to see.

Do you think, perhaps, he should show and equal number of papers to satisfy we the people... you know, like 8 of his college papers?

Equity tells me he asked, he should show first.

By: Loner on 10/3/12 at 1:24


By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 1:24


By: PKVol on 10/3/12 at 1:50

I didn't say the pOTUS manipulates gas prices, I'm simply pointing out that under his leadership (leadership is an implied result of what a leader does), that prices have risen and not rebounded at all (and with the higher utilization of ethanol in the fuel blend, which was sold to the US public as a way to lower gas prices, which has failed to happen, but instead has increased the cost of so many other necessities). If after 3-1/2 years of 'leadership' prices are so much higher than they were before - similar to when JE Carter was in office, the question of "Am I better off now than I was 4 years ago" is a fair question for me to answer - I'll even go as far to say, "Is the country as a whole better off now than it was 4 years ago", and I have to answer that with a "NO" response as well. I'm sure there are those who would argue that the answer is "YES", but I would ask them to support that answer the way I've supported my answer and the way that Yogi & Budlight have supported that answer. Respond without mentioning Bush/Cheney as they have nothing to do with where we sit today compared to Jan 20, 2009. If they have so much influence 3-3/4 years later, then 4 more years of the same administration won't change things.

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 1:54

PKVol - Bud & yogi have never supported anything they put on this board with FACTS! Now is you don't want to be associated with their likes, show some PROOF of how gas prices are Obama's fault. Not just because you think it is.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/3/12 at 1:55

If you think your man enough, bud then go ahead.

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 1:58

PVol - Now to mention Bush/Cheney, they started 2 wars. Iraq on lies & deceit and used 8 years to put us in the situation that Obama inherited. If you think you could have corrected all of their "dumb mistakes" in 4 yrs., why didn't you run for President?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/3/12 at 2:01

PKVol, when the price of fuel goes up the GOP blames it on Obama, but when it goes down that same bunch says nothing.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/3/12 at 2:03

bud you have such a hate filled life, it must be hard for you have a real life. Now please tell us how great you are.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/3/12 at 2:07

Loner I think bud is trying to convence you she is black.

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 2:07

Nemo - That's her problem, she doesn't have a life.

By: yogiman on 10/3/12 at 2:09


I believe I have offered all of the facts needed to back my arguments. If they aren't facts, what are they doing in Obama's autobiography?

Now tell me one argument you have offered with facts. None. All you have argued is what you think, not what you know.

But don't feel alone, the other Obama admirers on this site have done the same thing.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/3/12 at 2:12

Bud, why don't you back up your lies with some evidence?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/3/12 at 2:14

Her neighbors are collecting money to buy her rat infested bridge.

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 2:16


By: yogiman on 10/3/12 at 2:16


I've never been in the Oval Office so I don't factually know if the President has any control over the gas prices. But maybe you can explain why the gas prices change like they do with different presidents in office.

Why is the gas cheaper under some and higher on others? Looks awful damn political to me. Why is it normally cheaper under a GOP President and higher under a Democratic President?

Interesting data, don't you think?

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 2:16


By: Captain Nemo on 10/3/12 at 2:19

Got to go again. See you later.

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 2:19

Well I have been in the Oval Office, a few years ago on a tour, & I didn't see any "gas price" control knobs or levers. That tour was before Bush/Cheney, thank goodness.

By: yogiman on 10/3/12 at 2:24

Well, bfra, we know what your skull sounds like when you open it because you can't get much in there, but what does it sound like when you "slam" it shut so full of sh!t??

If you have all of the knowledge you obviously think you have I would think it would be a loud BANG! WHAM, BAM, HOT DAMN, Y'ALL!!, I know it now!

By: yogiman on 10/3/12 at 2:29

I've just read and article by CNSNews that stipulates Obama has given 80% more on foreign aide and 75% more on foreign aide than on our border's security. Which makes me wonder: Does he prefer more aid to foreigners than he does us? Sure looks like it.

By: Loner on 10/3/12 at 2:35


By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 2:49


By: Loner on 10/3/12 at 3:16

PKVol wrote: " Respond without mentioning Bush/Cheney as they have nothing to do with where we sit today compared to Jan 20, 2009."

Uhhhh.....PK's gotta be kidding, right? He could not be stupid enough to actually believe that the actions and inactions of 8 years of Bush-Cheney are irrelevant to anything that happened since January 20, 2009. PK is in denial.

We heard eight years of whining and finger-pointing from Bush and Cheney about how Bill Clinton had screwed things up so badly, that it would take years to correct things. But now, the right-wingers accept no blame for what Obama faced on 1-20-08....typical right-wing hypocrisy.

If the right-wingers would have cooperated with Obama's recovery plan, instead of trying to torpedo everything his administration put forward, our weak recovery would have been more robust....I blame the Republicans in Congress - and their special interest paymasters - for the slowness and weakness of the US recovery.

By: yogiman on 10/3/12 at 3:24

Well, Loner,

Why didn't Obama accomplish anything in his first 6 months when the Democrat Party had full control?

What did he accomplish except spend more money..... Oh, I forgot.., he played golf and took a few "breaks". To learn how to spend more I guess. And he sure learned a lot on that part of the job.

By: Loner on 10/3/12 at 3:50


By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 3:53


Oh, now Obama should have corrected 8 yrs of disaster in his first 6 months! Stupid gets more stupid with every comment.

By: yogiman on 10/3/12 at 4:03

Hell, bfra,

If he was a brilliant as you seem to think he is, he should have done something beside play golf and date his wife. During the day, anyway.

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 4:10


By: MusicCity615 on 10/3/12 at 4:34

If I were Romney I would say Bain Capital invested PRIVATE money in:
1. AMC Entertainment
2. Burger King
3. Burlington Coat Factory
4. Clear Channel Communications
5. Domino's Pizza
6. Dunk n' Donuts
7. Guitar Center
8. The Sports Authority
9. Staples
10. Toys "R" Us
11. Warner Music Group

Obama invested PUBLIC money in:
1. Solyndra - BANKRUPT
2. Ener 1 - BANKRUPT
3. Beacon Power - BANKRUPT
4. Abound Solar - BANKRUPT
5. Amonix Solar - BANKRUPT
6. Spectra Watt - BANKRUPT
7. Eastern Energy - BANKRUPT

Have a good day Nashville.

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 4:48

MC - As usual a day late & dollar short! If you was Romney, would you tell the truth about all the hidden tax shelters, all the taxes you haven't paid, when you really left Bain & how many companies you bought, & scraped, put people out of work & sent jobs over seas? From all you comments, you would do just what Romney has done , lie if it meant more money for you.

By: Loner on 10/3/12 at 4:53

MusicCity did not reveal his source....he did not come up with the list he posted @ 5:34...I Googled those words and found that this same list ,in this same order, is going around the right-wing blogosphere and it's been spread by way of right-wing e-mails.

Here are just 2 of the sites that included this same list::



This is propaganda...MusicCity tried top pass it off as his own research and analysis...he's a phony.

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 4:55

Loner - That has been obvious to locals from the first comment they ever put on the board about local happenings.

By: MusicCity615 on 10/3/12 at 5:12

Loner, the fact you found the same list on other websites doesn't mean it's not true...
the truth hurts, doesn't it?

Bfra said, "MC - if you was Romney".

BFRA, all that money Obama has "promised" to invest in education seems to not have found you. Speak proper English please.

I don't like the ASSUMPTION that Romney has hidden tax shelters (albeit it's basically a fact that he does...), but I also don't believe that he is the only one who has accounts in the cayman islands. How did Harry Reid make his millions through congress? It's a fact that the unions invest in accounts in the cayman islands, but the liberal media won't report that...

Besides, bfra- let's say Romney paid all his $250mm net worth to the IRS. Would that change the fact that Obama has wasted BILLIONS in taxpayer money to subsidize his democratic donors, who went bankrupt? Would that change the fact that we are having the slowest recovery in history, unemployment is 8+ for over 42 straight months, and we are $16 trillion in debt and counting?

By: bfra on 10/3/12 at 5:15


By: MusicCity615 on 10/3/12 at 5:18

(click) is equivalent to "I have no response. MC615 makes all valid points".

Thanks for the click.

By: yogiman on 10/3/12 at 5:45

Tell me, bfra,

Is it more detrimental for Romney to lie about his money, or for Barack Obama to refuse to prove is legal eligibility?

Which information would you prefer?

By: Loner on 10/3/12 at 5:47

After being exposed as some sort of plagiarist, MusicCity has the audacity to write: "Loner, the fact you found the same list on other websites doesn't mean it's not true...
the truth hurts, doesn't it?"

The truth is, MusicCity tried to pass off a cut/paste of somebody else's research as being his own ....he never revealed his source...that's being a phony, IMO.

As for the veracity of the list, who knows?

BTW, Congress, not the POTUS spends the public's tax-generated money...if there has been corruption/ineptitude let's blame Congress, not Mr. Obama.