Up for Debate: Preds match Flyers' Weber offer

Wednesday, July 25, 2012 at 1:22am

How do you feel about the Nashville Predators' decision to lock down Shea Weber in a monster deal, matching the Philadelphia Flyers' offer on the Preds captain? Is it money well spent or too much money spent? What do you think it means for other potential deals or trades for the team?

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125 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 7/25/12 at 5:24

What's PA's offer? $110.million? I thought the Preds had financial trouble.
The arena itself has gone thru 3 name changes in 5 years. Too much money on one player that will up the stakes for all the others.

By: yogiman on 7/25/12 at 6:06

It will also up the prices to go to a game so a lot of "fans" will quit going to the games, unless they have more money than good sense.

By: dargent7 on 7/25/12 at 6:13

Yogi: You couldn't even find Bridgestone Arena with a compass, sextant, and GPA.

By: gdiafante on 7/25/12 at 6:16

No, they're not in financial trouble. They said all along they were prepared to pay Weber, Suter and Parise if necessary. So they now only have to pay Weber. The Flyers apparently bought the myth that the Preds don't have any money either.

What this does is get Nashville to the salary cap floor. They still have money to spend if they so choose, but really, other than Suter, (and the two nitwits we got at the deadline) the team is the same as last year. Plus we re-signed Goose and Gill.

Season ticket prices are locked for the next two years and with the upcoming CBA, as they say, the times they are a changing....

As with most of the stories regarding the Preds, reports of their demise have been greatly exaggerated.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/25/12 at 6:28

Until Karl Dean acknowledged that the County would help I doubt that this deal would have gotten done. Now the next move that should be made by the Predators owners is a solid price increase. This is a minor sport with a limited number of fans in the area. The fans that are ice hockey fans are the most loyal of any fanship I know of. They will scream and holler about the increase but if they have to take out a home equity loan to pay for the tickets they will.

The only thing that could stand in the way of this deal and the ticket prices is the Predators must get to a Stanley Cup Final. These fans have very high expectations to go along with their ability to absorb the ticket cost,

If this deal with the Captain means that the Predators will have to cut back on other costs concerning players and a playoff is not achieved and Karl Dean does not cough up more money these fans will have someones scalp.

I go to three or four games a year when I am in town and watching the fans beats watching the game. The fanatics are rabid.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/25/12 at 6:32

Gdiafante........After reading my tribute to the Predators you might consider some Texas Tea, a Mary Jane or as in my generation a doobie.

If you think the Predators are knee deep in money then you have had too much of the first paragraph.

By: budlight on 7/25/12 at 6:38

Boring subject! Boring day! I'll leave you people to your comments. Yogi, I'm sitting this one out. I have a great job interview today; hope I get it so I don't have to float a lone - alone!
Jobs are scarce, but they are there. Just have to seach them out.

By: gdiafante on 7/25/12 at 6:40

Raspy, you must forget about the ownership group...which includes a certain Canadian Billionaire...he's one of your guys...eats Grey Poupon with silver spoons...

You should stick to simple things, like playing the class warfare card. Really, you have nothing else to offer.

By: dargent7 on 7/25/12 at 6:48

You should know, Bud, prostitution is the oldest profession.
You can find is on Craig's List under, "gigs".

By: Rasputin72 on 7/25/12 at 7:06

Gdiafante....I did not inherit a silver spoon and Grey Poupon...I earned it! I did not earn it by not understanding money. The owner group understands money as well. They have it and they intend to keep it. Their objective was to pay off debt. I think they have. They also have publicly stated that they have not earned enough money. What this ownership will do as will any good business person is cash in their chips if they cannot see daylight. I think this ownership has a litttle profit made and if people like you and other ice hockey fanatics do not do your part and pay more for tickets or do not continue to support this team even in times of not making the playoffs you will see how this ownership looks at the most golden of business pleasures. PROFIT or ELSE.

By: gdiafante on 7/25/12 at 7:12

It's called investing, rasp. An astute businessman should understand such a simple concept. The ownership group are making an investment in Weber and are banking on a return that includes a Stanley Cup. And, if you knew the situation, the only reason critics (wrongly) thought that the Preds wouldn't match is because the offer sheet was intentionally front-loaded.

The issue at hand is the two $13 million bonuses the Preds have to pay to Weber before July 1st. Now, considering that they've always maintained that the issue wasn't money and that they also said they were prepared to pay Suter $100 million (and were prepared to offer Parise an identical deal), the only thing people can attach to is that the bonuses may break the team.

I offer that any long-term contract would have a built-in bonus. So, if no one had a problem with the team signing Suter, Parise and Weber, that would have been three multi-million dollar bonuses plus about $300 million over a decade.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/25/12 at 7:26

GDIAFANTE.......You are correct in your first statement . It is all about "Investing" My point versus yours.......I only know of one player that was the single catalyst for a Stanley Cup that was Wayne Gretsky.

We will not settle this issue today. I do have some knowledge of one of the local owners and he has made it known that he is very happy with his "investment" thus far. He has also said in casual conversations that the investment is very fragile as far as the future. He is very comfortable with the fact that the "franchise" is very marketable and has no doubts that there is no problems with the liquidity of that. Making it work in Nashville is hard work for every member of the Predator family every day.

My guess is that the equity that this group has gathered since their purchase has come because they have kept the salary cap at a "manageable level" If as you say they suddenly must have $100 million dollar players to keep you fanatics in the stands in large numbers and in the Stanley Cup race this may be more of a challenge than you think.

By: yogiman on 7/25/12 at 7:31

So what, dargent7, I wouldn't be looking for it, so why try to find it?

By: yogiman on 7/25/12 at 7:37

Good luck, budlight. I hope you get the job. I'm beginning to wish I was young enough to work some more. But them (those, Beernazi) days catch up to you.

By: yogiman on 7/25/12 at 7:39

How do you know so much about prostitutes, dargent7? Do you use them as your "partners" or clients?

By: yogiman on 7/25/12 at 7:41

Did you actually earn it, Rasputin72, or did our "beloved" guvmunt earn it for you?

By: yogiman on 7/25/12 at 7:49

gdiafarte,

If the team owners said they would be willing to pay more to keep Weber, Suter and Parise, Why haven't those men already demanded a pay raise?

After all, all men want to make the most they can as long as they are working.

By: gdiafante on 7/25/12 at 7:53

Rasp, if you understood the dynamics of the NHL, you'd realize that the current CBA has a salary cap (the maximum a team can spend) and a floor (the minimum they have to spend). Even with this contract, the Predators are about $200K under the floor.

I'll repeat that, they are $200K under the cap floor. So, the only issue is regarding having so much money tied up to one person, not the spending habits of the franchise, which is still relatively low. They can spend more if they choose to do so.

And it's virtually impossible for teams to win a championship if they don't spend money.

And by the way, Edmonton also had Messier, Anderson, Kurri..etc. If one man is responsible, why did Gretsky not win another after he was traded, yet Edmonton did? Hell, Messier, Anderson and a few more former Oilers won it again with the Rangers in 1994...

Stick to things you know.

By: gdiafante on 7/25/12 at 7:56

Why haven't those men already demanded a pay raise?

Ummm...because they signed in Minnesota. Just so you'll know, Suter was an unrestricted free agent and Parise was too, but Parise played for New Jersey. They mutually decided to play for the same team as they're best friends. We knew it would be a tandem so Poile (our GM) was prepared to pay both, but Suter's old lady is from Minnesota and so is Parise, so they opted to play closer to home.

The point is that the Preds had allocated the money to pay all three players. So only having to do so with one shouldn't really be a burden, should it?

By: Rasputin72 on 7/25/12 at 8:12

Gdiafante.......I always stick to the things I know. That is one of the secrets of success.

By the way, are you a shut in?

By: BigPapa on 7/25/12 at 8:13

How many years until this group decides to sell? I'm saying within 3 years.

By: gdiafante on 7/25/12 at 8:16

I love how some (morons) like to root for failure...that's the American spirit...lol

By: yogiman on 7/25/12 at 8:17

To be honest, gdiafarte, I don't know, and care less.

But let me make another point: Have you considered so many athletes make more money than medical doctors? Now let's compare the education necessary: The doctor has to put in about 10 years education plus his "break in" stage before they can start a practice of their own.

An athlete can "go into practice" even before the graduate from college. Now, how many athletes are making millions a year for "playing" their game and how many doctors are making at least a million a year.

And considering the people in the medical profession have to go by government "rules", why would anyone want to be a doctor instead of an athlete?

By: yogiman on 7/25/12 at 8:20

He can't be a "shut in", Rasputin72 uless he was lying yesterday when he said he was going for a run.

Or was he, perhaps, talking about a dope run?

By: govskeptic on 7/25/12 at 8:21

These contracts are never as they appear, so we'll never actually
know what the first offer was nor the Predators counter. Speaking
of never as they appear: The same goes for the financial condition
of these privately owned sport teams no matter what they make public!

By: BenDover on 7/25/12 at 8:38

I'll catch a few games next year, just like last. It's really good for the down-town dynamic when there's a game on.

By: BigPapa on 7/25/12 at 8:43

I dont root for failure, but I think the scenario is to buy a team, hold on and build it, then sell it for a big profit. I'm saying they'll sell to someone that will move the team, I just think they'll sell to someone else.

By: Rasputin72 on 7/25/12 at 8:57

Big Papa........You in few words have said more about the ice hockey situation in Nashville than all of rest of us combined this morning.

By: gdiafante on 7/25/12 at 9:04

Sure you do, papa. You always come on here and wax poetic about how the Preds can't sustain...yada yada yada...I get it. You don't understand the game and fear things you don't understand. That's fine. Everyone has their hang ups.

For people that enjoy hockey, this is good news. For people who could care less, prove it. If you don't care, don't post about it.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/25/12 at 9:19

How many jobs has bud had now in the last 3yrs?

By: Captain Nemo on 7/25/12 at 9:24

If that was true d7, then budlight would starve.

By: slacker on 7/25/12 at 9:31

23 skidoo Rasp.. I've not heard the phrase shut-in.. since childhood.
You've gotta start writing for the Nashville Retrospect. Put a ''Press'' card in the hatband of your Fedora.

By: Beernazi on 7/25/12 at 9:32

Good morning, folks!

By: slacker on 7/25/12 at 9:34

Good morning, nazi!

By: bfra on 7/25/12 at 9:35

Nemo - Remember, bud said she was self-employed. She must have fired herself.:-)

By: bfra on 7/25/12 at 9:36

Morning beernazi!

By: Captain Nemo on 7/25/12 at 9:37

By: Rasputin72 on 7/25/12 at 8:12
Gdiafante.......I always stick to the things I know. That is one of the secrets of success.

By the way, are you a shut in?

This comes from someone living in his parents basement cave.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/25/12 at 9:37

Hello Blanket.

By: Beernazi on 7/25/12 at 9:39

How is everyone this fine morning?

By: Beernazi on 7/25/12 at 9:42

bud is the "lead therapist" at a company with one employee. LOL

By: slacker on 7/25/12 at 9:43

I give Sidney credit, she's not one of the un-employed who's stopped looking for work.
Sidney.. you're gonna have to cover up those tattoo's at job interviews. Also lose the toothpick.

By: slacker on 7/25/12 at 9:44

First question in Sid's job interview. ''Have you washed dishes before?''

By: Beernazi on 7/25/12 at 9:45

Bodibasix is the ghetto-ized version of the legitimate business, Body Basics.

By: bfra on 7/25/12 at 9:47

She also argued that she didn't have to have a business license. Guess they don't require license in her line of work.

By: Beernazi on 7/25/12 at 9:47

Anyway, good luck with that, bud.

By: slacker on 7/25/12 at 9:49

Yeah.. good luck Sid.

By: bfra on 7/25/12 at 9:49

Maybe it would help if she gave yogi as a reference. He could question them to death when they call.

By: Beernazi on 7/25/12 at 9:56

Maybe she could shack up with yogi - he may need help changing his diapers.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/25/12 at 9:58

She has a Widescarper; maybe she could get a job widening a highway.

By: Captain Nemo on 7/25/12 at 10:01

Good luck sid? I think we should offer our best to the people that get stuck with her.