Up for Debate: Report says U.S. mines Internet data

Friday, June 7, 2013 at 2:45am

The Washington Post reports that U.S. intelligence has mined data directly from Internet companies' servers. Is that a proper use of authority? Should the government be allowed to continue such practice?

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151 Comments on this post:

By: budlight on 6/7/13 at 5:33

Blanketnazi2 on 6/7/13 at 1:31
So you can't tell legitimate information from conspiracy? I can't help you with that! Apparently you and yogi have no critical thinking skills.

I've never used the word "conspiracy" on this post. I don't do conspiracy theory stuff. OK have a nice weekend if you know how to do "nice".

By: dargent7 on 6/7/13 at 5:35

Yeah., and Donald Trump provided his B.C (short form, which he railed against)with a freakin' bar code. Like as if in 1946 the USA had bar codes on B.C.'s. That's really how stupid Republicans are.
Bar codes weren't developed until 1965 or so.
I could google this sh!t to provide for better accuracy, but who really gives a sh!t?

By: Captain Nemo on 6/7/13 at 6:17

The cow knows nice? That is a joke.

By: Libertine on 6/7/13 at 7:10

Amazing how the left is silent this except for a few 'but, but, Bush........' The Patriot Act passed after 9-11 was temporary, it expired, it was made a permanent law by the Democrats and Obama Administration. I was out raged when Bush did, but the erosion of our privacy has increased exponentially during the Obama reign.

Obama has been exposed as a serial liar over and over, he lies about everything, why would any sane and logical person believe anything he says about the scope and depth of this invasion of privacy?

By: budlight on 6/7/13 at 9:39

Libertine you are correct in your 8:10 posting, but the libs will not admit that you are. They will call you names. Bush did what he had to right after war war was declared on the U.S. by the Islamic fanaticals who flew those planes and whoever their leader was (and still is).

By: Libertine on 6/8/13 at 6:28

It actually started during the Clinton Administration, the 9-11 terrorists were instantly tracked down from using hotmail accounts at public libraries, the database was already there. It was expanded under Bush and Obama put the program on steroids and is completely unapologetic about it. I think the important word in the double speak coming out of DC is 'Americans are targeted' which means being targeted is just a few keystrokes and your everyday history back to the 90's appears. The data is there, every keystroke, every on-line or card purchase, every text, every email, phone records, location data, and coming soon all your medical records and DNA.

I think all electronic records should be treated like land line records, you can't even get your own home phone records without a warrant, but your cell phone records are on-line.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/8/13 at 7:22

The question should be, "do you want privacy or do you want security?"

By: budlight on 6/8/13 at 7:54

The borders need to be secured -- as are the borders of all other countries in the free and not so free world (ie, China, Japan, Middle eastern borders, South American borders, etc).

Most, if not all, countries do not allow people who hate them to flow freely into and out of their borders and even in and out of states. The US is losing the war on trust. Our citizens do not trust our government and for good reasons. Bush may have started the ball rolling with the Patriot Act which was deemed by many as necessary after the "planes invaded our peace, serenity and sobriety". However, Obama said he would change it all. AND CHANGE IT, HE HAS. He has made the spying and invasion of privacy and loss of freedoms worse. He is making an attempt to hijack our religious freedoms and replace them the muslim agenda and he's using political correctness to do so.

I do not wish any ill to befall any president and the reason is that it would cause more unrest and devastation to our country, economy and citizens. I do wish, however, that the sitting president would tell the truth for once. But I dare say, he would not tell the truth even if he's under oath. He's too deep into his lies and cover up schemes now. Watergate pales in comparison to the Gates of Barrack.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/8/13 at 8:00

The biggest enemy to our country comes from the domestic extremist. The border issue is just an illusion and a wedge, use by ill informed jerks.

By: budlight on 6/8/13 at 8:02

"Obama says it will be harder to detect threats against the U.S. now that the two top-secret tools to target terrorists have been so thoroughly publicized."

Leaks, Leaks, Leaks? I'd say more like him pissing on the constitution and American citizens' rights.

Who leaked the two TOP SECRET TOOLS? He runs the loosest ship on the planet. I remember when he was originally in office and he said that some of the security measures were "silly". If I could, I'd slap him silly. Oh that's right, he's already silly. He lets people run the country and advise him who are Anti-American (Ayers for one example and Soros for another) and yet the populace of followers of the pied piper, continue to shore him up.

Let me know when you think your phones are tapped and your computers infiltrated? I don't really care because I'm just living my life and have nothing to hid. As you all say, I tell everything and that 's cause I'm an open book.

Oh gee, time to clock out of CP and into Gov-ment time. I love my job. And got an email from boss thanking me for hard work. I'd copy it to ya'll if it were not on a gov-ment computer, but ya'll just have to take my word.

By: govskeptic on 6/8/13 at 9:15

I suppose the question proposed on this subject is now of little concern to everyone,
since the President has assured us there's no problem with these firms allowing
the phone info and the Internet companies giving up all the info they possess.
His assurance "you can trust me and the FISA Court to do the right thing", should
give great comfort to the 50% of extremely ill informed citizens of this country as well as
the percentage of "he walks on water" supporters. Congressional approval has
become so common on these type matters for so many years it's totally laughable.

By: yogiman on 6/8/13 at 9:51

An interesting article, B2,

Tell me, what court had the authority to decide Obama was eligible to be president after the Supreme Court concluded he wasn't?


By: yogiman on 6/8/13 at 10:01

Another interesting article, B2.

Why did Obama's lawyer admit his birth certificate is a forgery (fake)?


What do you think; is his lawyer wrong?

By: dargent7 on 6/8/13 at 10:16

The SCOTUS declared Obama wasn't eligible for the office of President?
Are you clinically insane?
BN2 was correct: Whether Obama's father was a British Subject has no bearing on his American citizenship if born in Hawai'i. Period.
McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone and Romney's father, grandfather were born in Mexico. Both were polygamists.
You wouldn't spend a nonosecond challenging those births as elible for President. So, why for Obama? We all know why.
If Obama's father was born in Mexico and Obama was born in Panama, you nut-jobs would have a field day.

By: Libertine on 6/8/13 at 11:02

By: Captain Nemo on 6/8/13 at 9:00

"The biggest enemy to our country comes from the domestic extremist. The border issue is just an illusion and a wedge, use by ill informed jerks."

Obama and the Dems in Congress are domestic extremist. The border with Mexico isn't as much as a concern as all points of entry in general. None of the terrorist who have attacked us on US soil had to sneak across the Rio Grande, the walked freely in and stayed illegally without any fear of prosecution or deportation. Take the Boston terrorist for example, the Russians tip off the CIA and FBI, he is interviewed and ignored. He then goes to Russia to receive terrorist training after which he is welcomed back into the country using an expired student visa by the Obama Administration.

I agree with you Darg, Obama was born in Hawaii. Look at the situation, Barack Obama has an affair with a teenager from the Mid-West, and then takes her as his second wife, making them all polygamist. Barack Jr was born into a polygamist family. Then as a young man Jr begins his life of lies, corruption, and fraud, making false claims about his nationality to illegally cash in on student aid and scholarships. That is what must remain covered up and hidden from the American public and is the basis of the birther conspiracies. The lying and fraud have never subsided and we just got a fresh load of lies this week.

The left has rolled over and been silent on this power grab just because it was their boy in the Oval Office upsetting the balance of power. I suspect they will live to regret it when someone from the right is sitting in that office and exercises all that newly minted power that came at the cost of all of our privacy and civil rights.

By: yogiman on 6/8/13 at 11:26

Tell me, dargent7,

Do you have a copy of your birth certificate? Where did you get it?

So why can't Barry show hid Hawaiian birth certificate. Why couldn't the governor get a copy of it?

Could it possibly be because he doesn't have one in that health deportment? Why is he so secretive on it?

But you had better study the Constitution a little bit more. I'd be glad to send you a copy of it if you can't get it off of your computer.

By: yogiman on 6/8/13 at 2:22

I'll repeat me question, Libertine: If Obama was born in Hawaii, why did he advertise he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii for 16 years?

And when he was adopted into Indonesian citizenship, how did he repatriate into a natural born citizen status in the US? Or better yet, has he ever become a naturalized American citizen after he Indonesian adoption?

But the biggest question is why did congress allow him to usurp that office unquestioned? No way, Jose, is he eligible for that office unless out constitution has been abolished.

By: dargent7 on 6/8/13 at 2:52

I can only imagine you nutz would turn the other cheek if Romney got elected.
Where would the Tea Partiers go to hold court?
Guy's dad is from Mexico, as is his grandfather and great grandfather. A family of polyigamists who fled to Mexico to have 5 wives each. Would you say a peep? No.
Because Romney's white. Period.

By: yogiman on 6/8/13 at 4:08

Maybe you should go back to school, dargent7. Romney's grandfather meved to Mexico. His father was born to American parents which gave him American citizenship. His father lived in the United States when Romney was born thus making him a natural born American citizen... like it or not.

So how about giving me a little known, factual history on your man Barry Soetoro. That is, if you have any except opening your mouth with BS.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/8/13 at 4:10

Libertine seems to forget the tea party nuts. I thought he/she was of fair opinion, instead of being just another right-wing nut. Too bad.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/8/13 at 4:12

Stupid yogi.

By: Libertine on 6/8/13 at 4:48

Darg, I truly believe we would be much better off economically at this point had Romney won. Obama's parents were polygamists, Romney's were not. Yogi, Obama defrauded private schools and taxpayers for to get an elite private school education, he buried the evidence, he won that round, move on.

Nemo, put your partisanship aside for a moment, you are on a good path there. You have surrendered your privacy and civil rights to the Obama Administration without a whimper because he is your man. Just think about the consequences, think about President Michelle Bachman in 2016 and her yielding these newly minted powers, that is why you should be fighting Obama now. Just imagine who she would sic the IRS on or what she will do with your emails, text messages and medical records.

By: yogiman on 6/8/13 at 7:25

Wrong, dargent7,

I would make my 'argument' regardless of the party or race on whoever is in that office.

I firmly believe we should go by the "rules" of our Constitution.

And, Libertine, I disagree with your on Barry being in that office legally. If he is, why did he advertise being born in Kenya for 16 years in promoting his autobiography. Why did he change that ad just before he "threw his hat in the ring"?

By: budlight on 6/8/13 at 10:25

: Captain Nemo on 6/8/13 at 9:00
The biggest enemy to our country comes from the domestic extremist. The border issue is just an illusion and a wedge, use by ill informed jerks.

Nemo, who are these illusional domestic extremist you are speaking of? Might they be someone like the muslim doctor who was in the US military who screamed allaakbar as he slaughtered innocent unarmed citizens and military people?

Might it be people who want Christians to honor muslims while they would take away our freedom of speech.

The border issue is an illusion -- yeah, we're all imagining the illegal immigrants who are on the gov'ment dole in every state, especially where you are - CA if broke from it. TN is giving them food stamps, medical care, housing, education, transportation and free cell phones. Yeah, illegals are an illusion. Maybe they are also an urban myth. But of course, Obama will let another million or so into the country in the upcoming years.

By: budlight on 6/9/13 at 7:37

"About 99% of Law Enforcement is in action, right now, and the Secret Service think he's somebody.
If you came to town, nobody would give a shit.
He's very tall and skinny. And from what I can see, appears to be black, too."

He's made so many enemies with his big pie hole flapping in the breeze, selling out our country, giving the bank away and having people spied on. And D7 if he says he does not know what was going on, he's either lying or incompetent.

He's spending our hard earned tax dollars to protect himself, when he needs to protect our borders and our country and our citizens. When are you and your ilk going to stop worshipping him as if he's a god and get real. He's a man who is ruining our country with his and the socialist agenda.

By the way, you had it perfect in TN; you lived in Sylvan Park where, by your words, there were no minorities - only your "class" of whites. What happened in San Francisco? Too diverse for you? So how's SD working for you? Is it white and rich and elitest enough?

By: Captain Nemo on 6/9/13 at 7:54

Libertine, I have not surrendered nothing. I see the writing on the wall ans yes you are right about Bachman, but I don't see her winning any national contest. However I can see a Bachman look a like in office.

The road we are on has been set long ago, even before we we born. America has been marching in the shadow of Rome and I afraid will suffer the same faith. So unless we change how we deal and treat the rest of humanity, we will face a every changing life style.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/9/13 at 8:02

bud, I am talking about the K K K, Neo Nazi and people like you and yogi. You are so willing to let the country fall over the edge, just to see Obama fail.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/9/13 at 8:03

Stupid yogi.

By: budlight on 6/9/13 at 8:33

Nemo, America is and always has been the most generous country and people in the world. Which country donates more money and items for natural disasters all over the world? When is the last time you took a perfect stranger off the street, gave them food and clothing and a place to sleep? Actually when is the first time you've done it? Never I would say. Oh, you donate, but you don't get your precious hands dirty - every.

You are running the country down. We treat humanity well compared to other countries. Or are you forgetting all the slaughter in Germany, Iran, Iraq and other muslim countries? And I don't mean in ancient biblical times. I mean since the turn of the century in the world.

Please, KKK and Neo Nazi are a minority in the world. There are far many more good people in the world and the US than you can even count. And do you think you calling Yogi "stupid" is falling within the guidelines of the empty sentence you wrote "So unless we change how we deal and treat the rest of humanity, we will face a every changing life style".

So when do you start to change how you deal and treat the rest of humanity? Your words are useless and meaningless because you treat others you deem beneath you with disdain. You and others on this post do it all the time.

So start the change at your own keyboard and in your own heart, nemo. Or else, shut your piehole.

By: Libertine on 6/9/13 at 8:35

If you voted for the guy in the Oval Office, you have surrendered your healthcare choices. You voted for an administration that has argued to make GPS tracking of citizens without a warrant legal. You voted for an administration that uses the IRS as a weapon against political adversaries.

By: budlight on 6/9/13 at 9:01

Libertine, that would be capt nemo, bfra, brrrrk, blanket, and their ilk. Obama is chipping away at our freedoms. I'm sure if the internet were available when hitler took over, he would have accomplished his goals faster and broader. And drones spying on farmers. How absurd is that? Plus did you know that in 2009 Obama took over the Census? Why?

Your guess is as good as mine. On healthcare, the sign ups have been stopped because they reached their QUOTA, so no new people can sign up. I had a doctor tell me that the doctors in his field are "scared" of what is coming down the pike and he's one of the good doctors.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/9/13 at 9:50

Libertine, I know we disagree on somethings, but I don't think you are anyway near to being the nut bud and yogi are.

By: yogiman on 6/9/13 at 9:53


What kind of stupid comment is that when you claim budlight and I are "so willing to let the country fall over the edge, just to see Obama fail".

Maybe you should learn to understand what you're reading.The only reason I want to see 'Obama' "fail" is because he usurped that office and is performing every effort he can to bankrupt this country and take over as dictator.

Tell me, what have you seen or read proving he is who he claims to be? Why can't the governor of Hawaii, as an old family friend of his grandparents, find his birth certificate in the Hawaiian Dept. of Health office?

Could it just possibly be because there isn't one on record in that office?

By: yogiman on 6/9/13 at 10:02


I believe the biggest thing that has kept Bayy (their master, meaning of those mentioned) is the 2nd Amendment in our Constitution. If he could have, he would have abolished it his first day in office.

He is now trying to give it to the UN. It's still our Constitution and the UN cannot take it over as a gift from Barry.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/9/13 at 10:06

You are the only one that thinks that yogi. No other person in their right mind thinks that. If you had any proof of his legibility you would not be wasting your time on this site, but out saving the America. Instead you waste time pissing off you stupidity in one tiny pond.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/9/13 at 10:08

s/h/b pissing off your stupidity in one tiny pond.

By: yogiman on 6/9/13 at 11:52

Prove me wrong, dumba$$. I'm sure you would have long ago if you knew you was as a fact. I've simply went by his autobiography. Was he lying? Being the biggest liar he's being proved to be, he could have been lying in his autobiography.

But tell me, dumba$$; how can you identify a man who refuses to identify himself?

By: budlight on 6/9/13 at 12:11

By: Captain Nemo on 6/9/13 at 10:50
Libertine, I know we disagree on somethings, but I don't think you are anyway near to being the nut bud and yogi are.

Any question posed to nemo is answered by his hateful retort against those who do not agree with him (or her).

He (she) has no dialogue skills to speak of and he (she) was definitely not on a debate team in college or high school. You know, where you present your side, then shut up and listen to the other side and then respond politely!

Sorry nemo, your ilk doesn't cut it. You may think I'm a nut, but at least I'm not mean and hateful.

What do you think about Obama taking charge of the census? Comments please. He did it in 2009.

By: pswindle on 6/9/13 at 12:38

As long as one parent is an American citizen, the child is also is an American citizen. If you are born on American soil, you are also an American citizen. Why do you think that Mexicans want their babies born in the USA? If an American citizen (Mother or Father) gives birth in another country, their baby is an American citizen.. President Obama is an American Citizen. The crazy senator from Texas born in Canada can never be President because his parents are not natural born American citizens

By: budlight on 6/9/13 at 12:56

"Why do you think that Mexicans want their babies born in the USA?"

Pswindle, I think it's because they have a racket going on to collect benefits. Let me see . . . 1 baby a little money; 2 babies more . . . and a lot of babies equals a lot of money! Nice. Makes me wish I could have kids. NOT!

I wish it were not so, but it is true that our country is too politically correct for the ultimate good of it's loyal citizens. Every Mexican I know who is illegal, sends most of their money home and plans to return when they get all they can get. It does a disservice to those who stood in line, paid their dues, followed the law and did it the right way. Shame on anyone who thinks otherwise is OK.

Why do we have laws and rules if we don't follow and/or enforce them?

By: yogiman on 6/9/13 at 1:13

Heck, budlight,

dumba$$ couldn't even get on the 'backup' debate team in elementary school.

By: yogiman on 6/9/13 at 1:31


Being an American citizen by birth in the USA is only one point. That doesn't make you a natural born citizen unless both of your parents are American citizens (that status would hold true of any nation) .

If simply being a natural born citizen by being born in the US made you a natural born citizen, that would make any child born in the US to an illegal alien mother eligible to become president of the USA even if she took him home after child's birth, lived there for 20 years and the child then came back to the US and lived here for 15 years and would be legally eligible to become president.

Some how, I can't see where our founders could buy that argument. They used the term "natural born citizen" for a purpose. So no one with foreign relations who could dislike our nation would be able to take over as it's leader.

Don't you think the man in office now has a reason he has refused his identity from the 'word go'? Don't you think there has to be a reason why congress has let him get away with it without question? Could they just possibly be wanting to get in the power mode with him as dictator.

Let's see if we have an election in 2016 if he pulls his takeover off.

By: yogiman on 6/9/13 at 1:40


Look up the definitions of 'natural born' citizen and a 'native born' citizen.

There is a difference, and if Barry was actually born in Hawaii as he claimed when he "threw his hat in the ring" and was just lying about his claim of being born in Kenya, he could only be a native born citizen. And with a foreign parent, he would be a dual-citizen, certainly not a natural born citizen.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/9/13 at 4:22

Stupid yogi.

By: budlight on 6/9/13 at 4:29

Equally stupid captain and mean as a snake! Probably is a shark at heart. And smells like a skunk.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/9/13 at 4:46

Stupid bud.

By: budlight on 6/9/13 at 7:03

By: budlight on 6/9/13 at 5:29
Equally stupid captain and mean as a snake!

By: Loner on 6/9/13 at 8:14

I have been posting here at the NCP since 2004, or earlier. I remember a time, not that long ago, when the Nashville City Paper hosted a first-class posting community.....those days are gone.

Nowadays, annoying and obnoxious trolls dominate the comment boards...crude ad hominem...vicious name-calling.....air-headed comments and a dwindling posting community...that's the NCP today.

One must ask, why would the management of this online product allow it to go to ruin in this fashion?

Mt old friend...and debating adversary, Ben Dover may remember those early days too....Ben, any comment?

By: yogiman on 6/9/13 at 10:20

I don't know about BenDover's thoughts, Loner, but I conclude you're referring to me as the "problem" on this site.

Maybe you should look a little deeper into the situation as to who created the problem. I'm a little curious as to why some of your "friends" keep [throwing stones] at me. And if you'll look into it, I'll only responded to their deplorable comments. I have never started one of the arguments, only answered them, and I will continue until they get off my back.

And that will include you in calling me a racist even though you obviously don't know what you're posting on those remarks.

I'm sorry this isn't a personal site, but I'm glad it's open to the public.

So convince your 'buddies' to get off my back and the postings will, perhaps, be normal with each of our personal opinions.

By: budlight on 6/10/13 at 5:33

Loner, capt nemo, brrrk and bfra always use personal attacks against Yogi and against me also. I'd love to just make comments about the issue, however, it is not going to happen as long as the "personal attacks" continue.

My right to dislike obama, not endorse gay life style and not support the stupid policies being shoved down america's throat is just that - it is a right - freedom of thought, feelings, expression, speech.

You say people are making "air headed" comments. You know what - you don't have to even read them, let alone respond to them. Just ignore them and maybe they will go away.