Up for Debate: Roger Clemens not guilty

Monday, June 18, 2012 at 11:34pm

Are you surprised by the verdict in the Roger Clemens case in federal court in which the famed Major League Baseball pitcher was found not guilty of lying about taking steroids? What do you think this means in the long run for the processes of investigating and prosecuting high profile sports stars?

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By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 8:07

Thanks, Bfra....we had a great reunion....and the Protest Monday gig is working out nicely.

And now Ben Dover enters the room....he agrees with GD....both parties are not responding to the public's interests....but then he goes on to accuse Harry Reid of being the primary partisan pooping on the people....get real, Ben, all the federal politicians are on the take, beholden to the special interests.

Both major political parties have been effective at reducing the power of the people and augmenting the power of the special interests.

The Electoral College system insures that we the people will get "Democracy Lite"...not the full-strength stuff.....a handful of "battleground states" will decide on who wins the increasingly irrelevant election.

No matter who wins in November, the War Super Lobby (Defense, Israel & Energy) will call the tune...after all, they are paying the piper.

US infrastructure is crumbling....our credit rating is on the skids....our non-military manufacturing base is a ghostlike remnant of former glory....but that is of little concern to the War Super Lobby...they have their own agenda to actualize....it's an international thing...the American people have been left out of the equations.....and the US media is not alerting the people to the clear and present danger.....they are on the take too.

By: bfra on 6/19/12 at 8:10

gdiafante - Long winded, my first thought, also!

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 8:11


I apologize I'm not the 'puter expert you seem to think you are. Could you share your brilliance with me?

We didn't have these 'puter things when I was child like you.

By: dargent7 on 6/19/12 at 8:11

Yogi: How is it possible for Romney to be "born of American parents", if the dad was a Mexican National?
His dad, George, was born from his father born in Mexico. That's two generations.
His great grandfather was born in Utah and escaped America's polygamy laws.
How far back do you go to acertain the person running for President is 100% American?
3 generations? 4 or 5? No one walking God's green Earth is 100% "American".
That's why your argument has no merit and has been thrown out of court hundred's of times.
And look up Rubio. His dad, born in Cuba, as well as 5 generations, didn't become, "naturalized" until 5 months after Marco's birth. So, how'd that fly as he's elligible to hold office, 1st in line after the President?
You Republicans don't have the ability, capacity, nature, to think things thru.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 8:11

brrrrk lol

Now we know where they get their crap.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 8:12

I just pick on Reid, Pelosi and Obama because the conservatives already have substantial criticism in the matter, loner. My point was, and is, that the lack of compromise is not one-sided in the way it is being spun by the White House and amplified by an adoring media.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 8:14

It is computer yogi! Not puter. LOL

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 8:15

C'mon gd... I offer you a free psychological profile, just an Oedipus complex short of Freudian, and you just dismiss it outright? Where's the love brother?

By: slacker on 6/19/12 at 8:18

I don't think the Feds. have convicted anybody of anything, since Martha Stewart was sent to the slammer. They need a victory bad. Maybe charge Hulk Hogan for lying about being gay?

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 8:20

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 9:07
That's a long-winded way to say "waaaah", Ben. Take your own advice, sometimes less is more.

That doesn’t work for yogi. Less only means…well you know. LOL

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 8:20

Romney & Rubio.

I like the alliteration....R & R...Rest & Relaxation....Resting the revenue laws & Relaxing those onerous and cumbersome governmental regulations.

Same GOP crap in a new and good-looking wrapper...will the new wrapper and the withering right-wing media attacks on President Obama be enough to make the sale?

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 8:21


What are the time elements on this issue? If Romney's dad was a Mexican National, how could he run for the governor's office in Michigan? Did he become nationalized? When? Did you have an illegal governor?

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 8:23

Tally ho people. Have a great day.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 8:23

There was an R & R cafeteria in the little town I grew up in. We called it 'Rats and Roaches'.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 8:24

"To thine own self be true" Gilligan

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 8:25

Slack breaks in with another timely witticism...gotta love this site.

Yeah, Slack, I think that Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr is still on the payroll...still digging.

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 8:29

"Rats & Roaches"?!

I love it....Willard is the Rat Boy and Marco is "La Cucaracha".....thanks for the inspiration, Ben.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 8:30

Romney and Rubio Romulus and Remus

Sounds familiar

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 8:30

Willard "Rat Boy" Romney and Marco "La Cucaracha" Rubio.......what a ticket!

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 8:33

Romulus & Remus sucked milk from a bitch wolf and created a republic that became an empire, Captain.....Romney & Rubio suck milk from pigs and would destroy our republic.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 8:36

dang... I've created a monster. lol

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 8:36


Have I read different articles than you? On Mitt Romney, I read his father was born in Mexico to American parents. His grandfather moved to Mexico in 1870 because of the news laws that came into Utah regarding the number of wives a man could have... legally.

Romney's father came to the USA as an American citizen. He married a woman who was an American citizen, He was born in the USA to parents who were American citizens. His grandfather or great-grandfather had nothing to do with his natural born citizenship status.

Also correct me in I'm wrong; I read where Marco Rubio was born in Florida to Cuban parents [who had fled Cuba after Castro's takeover] and he was 4 years old before they became naturalized citizens.

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 8:38

Now you want 50% of the action, right, Ben? Shirts, caps, posters, coffee mugs etc. we'll clean up!

By: budlight on 6/19/12 at 8:38

Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 6:42
I spoted this last night

By: budlight on 6/18/12 at 8:29
"The video was damning; no creature deserves to be treated like that. "
Interesting! No one mentioned the innocent truck driver that a bunch of black thugs dragged out of his truck and almost beat to death, leaving him severely disabled for the rest of his life. King, on the other hand, became a t.v. celeb. For shame!

The troll monkey was quick to point out ‘black thugs” beating an innocent white, but she fail to mention the black people that came to his rescue. She must have selected memory lose based on racial lines.

Well Capt. when I misstep, I always have you there to help me get in line. I had not remembered who rescued him. Thanks for remind me. Of course, that does not excuse the black thugs, now does it?

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 8:39

Doesn't the cockroach smoke some dope in that song, loner?

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 8:42

La cucaracha, la cucaracha,
The cockroach, the cockroach,

ya no puede caminar
can't walk anymore

porque le falta, porque no tiene
because it's lacking, because it doesn't have

marihuana pa' fumar.
marijuana to smoke

By: BigPapa on 6/19/12 at 8:45

I agree that Liberalism for the most part is all about emotion and very little to do with anything else. It's feminine.

Could you have this type of public policy if women didn't have the right to vote? Think about it. It wasn't until the late in the century that the "progressive" movement began.

I think conservatism is more of a natural state of mind for a man. You wait you observe, you dont change things until you truly see a need or that the change or policy will help, you dont do it simply because it makes everyone feel good.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 8:49

I was for repealing the 19th amendment there for a while BigPapa but I was going through the portraits of the presidents and prior to women's suffrage... whew boy!... there were some ugly characters as president in this country.

I think just for national appearances anyway we should let them keep voting.

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 8:52

I bet "Macho Man" is playing while Papa is typing...I thought yogi came up some pretty stupid theories...

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 8:54

I was just about to post that marijuana part, Ben...you beat me to it...I was rolling a "J"...snooze?....ya lose.

Seems like the song has been used as a platform for political commentary for a long time in Mexico...this is the year for a comeback.

Here goes:

La cucaracha, la cucaracha,
The cockroach, the cockroach,

ya no puede caminar
can't walk anymore

porque es deficiente, ya que no tiene
because it does not have

el certificado de nacimiento para mostrar
the birth certificate to show

By: Ummm... on 6/19/12 at 8:55

Ben and Papa- stalwarts of the high-minded Regressive movement. Obviously they haven't yet realized that life's only constant is change.

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 8:56

What makes you guys think anyone winning the president's seat is any different than the others? The only difference today is legal technicalities.

FDR was the one that started to get the UN organized. Harry Truman followed up on him when FDR died and Truman took over and got it through.

The UN is nothing more than a communist regime taking the world over "one step at a time".

If you're old enough, think back to Jimmy Carter giving up the Panama Canal. Why? Who built that canal? Our people before us, yet Carter just gave it away. Then go into G.H.W. Bush's comment about One World Government. What did he mean, the entire world under one parliament or just the members of the United Nations?

Except party wise and legality, what has been the differences between [at least] the last 6 presidents (and possible more)?

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 8:58

Big Papa may be on to something, Ben...it's those effeminate guys who prefer guys doing all the fashion design work.

There is no need to change styles, manly men used to wear a simple toga and be done with it....sheeesh! The Amish got the right idea?

By: Ummm... on 6/19/12 at 9:00

As for your 9:49 post, Bennie, why worry about being a racist when you can be a sexist instead?

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 9:01

I think it's rooted in that direct sympathy emotion part of us BigPapa but academia and political advocacy has done much to rationalize it into what liberals consider to be an even more reasoned position. It's almost a brain-washing though because reasonable positions like "communism never works in practice" and "taking money from those who produce and giving it to those who don't will result in less production" just roll off of them like water off a duck's back. Their sense of justice is aligned to the underdog (regardless of the situation) rather than absolute right and wrong.

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 9:02

Typo Alert:

In my 9:54 post...here's the proper translation on that one line:

porque es deficiente, ya que no tiene
because it is lacking, because it does not have

Mea culpa!

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 9:03

What are my "stupid" theories in your weak frame of mind, gdiafarte? Your opinion, or facts?

By: Sherwood80 on 6/19/12 at 9:03

Sherwood80 This is another one of the non-issues that just wasted the time and energies of the 82 preceding my own waste of time.

I offer It only to suggest we need to be concentrating on real issues - like, what are we - that is, you and I, going to be doing when the government finally goes broke - which is where they are heading?

The question is never - what is the other guy doing; it is, what I am doing now that I know what is ACTUALLY happening in my life.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 9:03

Well, Ummmm, I said my position supporting repeal has evolved and I no longer support it anymore. What more do you want?

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 9:05

I offer It only to suggest we need to be concentrating on real issues - like, what are we - that is, you and I, going to be doing when the government finally goes broke - which is where they are heading?

The Democratic Republic of Tennessee sounds good to me.

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 9:06

Slack...are you still there? "A flamboyantly attired Hispanic cockroach dances into a gay piano bar....."

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 9:11

I guess Papa and Ben forget the Federalist Party and Hamiltonian policy. Anyone surprised?

It's also amusing how they relegate every cause and effect as originating with America. Yawn...

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 9:12

Sherwood denigrates our commentary then exhorts us to dabble in the metaphysical and conspiratorial.....the end of the union of American states is near...grab your rifles and hand guns...the South done gonna rise again....Yeee Haw!

Where are these tin-foil-helmet-wearing guys coming from? Did the Tennessean flush its ballast tanks?

By: govskeptic on 6/19/12 at 9:15

Capt: This "lecture" is what is reported in the London Daily Mail, and one of
our tv networks. It may be many years before a transcript is made
available, if ever!

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 9:15

Democratic Republic of Tennessee? Ben, you left the word "Democratic" in there...that's a no-no....the word itself has been vilified by the right-wing media....the Christian Republic of Tennessee would be a lot more righteous, just and fitting.

By: slacker on 6/19/12 at 9:17

BigPapa is correct. The gal's constantly nagged until ''men'' gave them the vote. Things really got out of line when the birth control pill hit the market.

By: Ummm... on 6/19/12 at 9:17

Bennie, it wasn't your constitutional amendment repeal nonsense that prompted my remark, it was the notion that you would condescend to "let them keep voting."

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 9:20

That statement was exceptionally misguided, Ummm...especially considering that Conservatives tend to be rural and uneducated. Don't believe me? Travel an hour outside of Nashville in any direction and talk to the natives.

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 9:22

And I'm not saying that Dems are not the same way, I'm saying that was an incredibly dumb statement by Ben.

By: slacker on 6/19/12 at 9:23

Ummm.. it was a joke. Kinda like: ummm... ummm.. um.. Barrack Hussein Obama.