Up for Debate: Roger Clemens not guilty

Monday, June 18, 2012 at 11:34pm

Are you surprised by the verdict in the Roger Clemens case in federal court in which the famed Major League Baseball pitcher was found not guilty of lying about taking steroids? What do you think this means in the long run for the processes of investigating and prosecuting high profile sports stars?

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169 Comments on this post:

By: gdiafante on 6/19/12 at 9:26

Lame...looks like the clever banter is at another site. Later.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 9:34

"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so." Ronald Reagan.

By: Ummm... on 6/19/12 at 9:37

Ah yes, Ronnie Raygun, he of the "Bonzo" movies- a true intellectual giant. (Doubles over laughing...)

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 9:42

Well... maybe instead of "... not that they are ignorant...",Ronnie should have said "...not that all of them are ignorant... " because we seem to have an exception here that violates the rule.

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 9:46

Ben was joshin'...he likes women....he married one...his mom was a woman too....the male Chauvinist pig characterization is entirely out of line....Ben fantasizes about skyclad hippie chicks....he loves those leftists...and the right tits too.

By: slacker on 6/19/12 at 9:49

Some over-analyzing happening here. BigPapa & Ben were being facetious. Libs. get upset with that apparently.

By: Ummm... on 6/19/12 at 9:49

Oh no! I must've touched one of little Bennie's nerves by dissing sainted Ronnie! You all remember him don't you? You know, that president who raised taxes 14 times and blew up the deficit more than any of his predecessors.

By: slacker on 6/19/12 at 9:59

A liberal walks into a bar.. orders a ''sense of humor''...

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 10:00

"...the bartender sez, "That drink went with piano and the gay crowd....you're too late, buddy".

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 10:01

I remember sitting at the bar having lunch at P.F. Chang's over on West End when I saw that Reagan had died. After a few minutes I noticed this guy back in the kitchen... looked like maybe a Vandy student that I imagine was pissed that his daddy made him get a part-time job... who was jumping up and down and cheering the fact that Ronald Reagan was dead. The acme of classlessness, couthlessness, and cluelessness... all wrapped up in an unearned arrogance bestowed on him by his Frankfurt-School professors, I thought.

Do you work at Chang's Ummm?

By: Ummm... on 6/19/12 at 10:15

Hero worship is a dangerous business, little Bennie. Sometimes your idols are shown to have "feet of clay."

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 10:26

Ummm... Critical Theory is just the active form of a philosophy of moral relativism. Nothing matters... everything's allowed... what's worked in the past is subjugated to my simple imagination and rationalizations - "I am my own God".

Dangerous business, indeed.

By: Ummm... on 6/19/12 at 10:42

Better to be your own God than to accord that honor to another fallible human being, Bennie.

By: Kosh III on 6/19/12 at 10:58

Maybe the person celebrating the death of Reagan disliked having astrology as a part of WH policy?

Two can play at that game:
When I was kid I delivered papers, this was in very rural very GOP East TN.
I delivered it to one old woman who looked at the headline that said Pope John XXIII was dead. She grunted and said "Good. Glad the bastard's dead. "

By: slacker on 6/19/12 at 11:24

Well... I laughed when they shot ''Old Yeller''

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 11:30

BigPapa thinks that conservatism is the natural state of mind for men.

You may have something there BP. Maybe it was the conservative caveman that kept humans in the dark for thousand of years. Afraid to venture out and learn new things and ways.

I’m sure it was attitudes like that condemned Galileo for thinking the Earth was not central of the Universe. It was conservatives standing on the docks and laughs at Columbus sailing west toward the horizon and said he would fall off.

Conservatism as its place in the world, but not in leadership rolls entirely. Waiting too long for the right time is a waste of time.

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 10:03
What are my "stupid" theories in your weak frame of mind, gdiafarte? Your opinion, or facts?

If he speaks or types, is all the evidence that it is needed of stupid. That is a fact.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 11:35

That is just terrible of you slackers. ;-)

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 11:43

By: budlight on 6/19/12 at 9:38

Well Capt. when I misstep, I always have you there to help me get in line. I had not remembered who rescued him. Thanks for remind me. Of course, that does not excuse the black thugs, now does it?

I don't think I said anything to imply that it did. But you had to repeat the “black thugs” a second time. I find that interesting.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 11:49

Progressivism is a cluelessness that rationalizes that it's OK to do harm to an innocent person in order to benefit someone else who the progressive believes to be more deserving.

A mountain of rationalization is built over the top of this false premise to the extent of forcing the innocent person not only to sacrifice for another as the new liberal deems fit; but to also supply for the machinations of the method in which the innocent is harmed.

This imposed charity adds no value to society as nothing is produced... no hammer and board has been attached to form a dwelling or some other more valuable product. Only, instead, that which has been produced is ripped up and unevenly consumed among the puppies of 'want' that are the faux justification for the injustice; and the jackals of 'take' that execute it.

By: revo-lou on 6/19/12 at 11:57

"By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 12:49
Progressivism is a cluelessness that rationalizes that it's OK to do harm to an innocent person in order to benefit someone... ripped up and unevenly consumed among the puppies of 'want' that are the faux justification for the injustice; and the jackals of 'take' that execute it."

Last I heard, humans are the only thing of value. Guess been was asleep for that part of the sermon.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 12:03

As a good steward I advocate a proven system of work/reward that creates great surplus with which we can be charitable. Guess revo-lou must have been asleep in that part of Econ 101.

By: slacker on 6/19/12 at 12:14

Attention all Davidson county property owners.
Your taxes are increasing tonight... a lot.
This is not a drill.
Bicycle trails, puppy dog tails, red roller coaster rail.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 12:15

1) A Progressive Christian questions established thought and refuses to accept blindly the status quo.
2) A Progressive Christian uses their vocation to push the world a little further in a positive direction.
3) A Progressive Christian approaches their work with both joy and a devout temper.
4) A Progressive Christian demonstrates great intellectual curiosity and a generosity of spirit.
5) A Progress Christian shows genuine concern and compassion for humanity.
6) A Progressive Christian follows the truth wherever it may lead.
7) A Progressive Christian is fearlessly honest.

Ultimately a Progressive Christian need not identify themselves as a Progressive Christian to be one or to fall within the circle of Progressive Christianity. For as Jesus once said, there are many folds of people1 and one doesn’t need to follow Jesus and his disciples directly to do the work of Christ.2

By: revo-lou on 6/19/12 at 12:22

"By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 1:03
As a good steward I advocate a proven system of work/reward that creates great surplus with which we can be charitable. Guess revo-lou must have been asleep in that part of Econ 101."

Econ 101 does not mention charity. If your focus is money, as with Ben, everything else loses its value. If you focus is the human race, nothing else has value. Subtle but vital differences.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 12:28

Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

'Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. 'Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 12:29

Forrest and trees, revo. Money is nothing but a tool... a lubricant to assist in the exchange of goods and labor. There can be no charity without excess and very little excess without our market society. To the degree the work / reward cycle is hindered then excess, too, is hindered... as is our ability to provide for those who cannot care for themselves.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 12:30

Nemo, I always liked in Paul's letter to the Romans chapter 12: 3-8... it seems to fit the point you are making.

3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your[a] faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead,[b] do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 12:36

How do you distinguish who is not able to care for their selves? Do you follow Rasputin class envy philosophy?

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 12:48

People in need of charity make it known in either system Nemo.

Under the market system though there is substantially more excess with which to reply to the need... as, too, there is largely diminished need in the first place.

America is the only place on earth where obesity is a leading sign of poverty. And we have the rest of the world's back as their big brother militarily; and also we underwrite the whole world's price-controlled healthcare systems as all the new advances are developed with our market in mind and the rest of the world benefits residually.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 12:56

"Do you follow Rasputin class envy philosophy?"

lol... I think my 12:49 might get a thumbs up from Raspy.

By: BigPapa on 6/19/12 at 1:17

Of course I was joking about women not voting, but you cant deny that liberalism is the side of feeling and doing what "feels good" or "feels right" regardless of whether it actually IS right, or correct or good policy.

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 1:24

An excellent lack of mind, nimrod.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 1:31

Yes you do yogi. First thing you have said that was correct all year.

By: bfra on 6/19/12 at 1:33

Ben - liberalism is the side of feeling and doing what "feels good" or "feels right" regardless of whether it actually IS right, or correct or good policy.
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Ben must think Bush, Cheney & their ilk are liberals.

By: dargent7 on 6/19/12 at 1:38

There's an old arithmetic saying...1 + 1 = 2. Always.
Romney's dad was born in Mexico. George Romney's dad was born in mexico.
What's all this, all of a sudden, "to make your point"... Mitt Romney's dad was a US citizen come from? He hadn't passed the "legal affairs and emmigration status" when Mitt was born.
Arnold Swarznegger was born in Austria. He cannot become President no matter how much Orin Hatch wanted to amend the US Constitution to accomodate.
You and other "Birthers" have your "natual born", naturalized", "legal emmigrated", US citizen", mixed up with your, "just, plain, freekin born on US soil". The parent's social/ legal/ immigrant/ illegal alien staus doesn't matter.
I find it fairly obvious your selective mentality regarding Romney and Rubio's family tree where their entire clan was born on foreign lands vs. Obama's simple Kansas born white mother (irrelevant) giving birth to Barack in Hawai'i rather enlightening.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 1:39

bfra
I am afraid that Ben and BigPapa are floating in the Fox bubble. The truth can’t get in and Fox is leading them by the nose.

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 1:57

Humanity has tried differing approaches to governance over the millennia...we tried the Divine Right monarchy thing and it did not work.....the advancement of human rights and science was stifled for centuries by clerics and royal families. It was a filthy business...life was short and brutal.

The American founders tried something new...secular democracy in a republican form of constitutional governance.....it worked

The Ben Dovers of the world would have us return to the failed systems of the past.....they have been misled in their beliefs.....they have been misled by those who control and exploit them on a routine basis.....they are the unwitting dupes for the one-percenters....the ;power elites.

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 2:00

Still battling Israeli hasbarats here:

http://world.time.com/2012/06/19/iran-nuclear-talks-delusions-on-both-sides-of-the-table/?xid=gonewsedit

They think I'm on the Iranian payroll......oy!

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 2:10

"The American founders tried something new...secular democracy in a republican form of constitutional governance.....it worked"

Until the 16th amendment launched us on the divide-and-conquer path of de Toquville's dire prediction:

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 2:18

Loner, maybe it is something you said. lol

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 2:25

I see where your president Obama is setting up a "gay pride day" this summer to honor the queers (homosexuals) in our services.

Just wondering: Who, with a reasonable mind has such a great desire to tell the world what's on their mind in sex like the "queers" (homosexuals)? Who gives a damn on how they "screw" except other "gays"?

So the normal citizens must be made aware of the queer's desires. Do you know of any normal person that runs around broadcasting their sex lives to the world?

Didn't think so.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 2:38

Geezzz, yogi. I accidentally read your last post. Go back to the birther crap dude.

By: BigPapa on 6/19/12 at 2:44

Dont knock Fox, I really like Family Guy.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 2:51

LOL Ben

I do too Big Papa alone with The Simsons and American Dad.

By: BenDover on 6/19/12 at 2:52

bfra - re: 2:33... I didn't say that.

By: Loner on 6/19/12 at 2:55

Ben....the advent of the federal income tax "launched us on the divide-and-conquer path of de Toquville's dire prediction..."?

I think that sweetheart government contracts, special interest lobbying and pork barrel politics pre-date the 16th Amendment, which was ratified by the requisite number of states in early 1913.

The nation was divided and half-conquered in the Civil War....it did not begin in 1913.

BTW, TN ratified the 16th before NY did.

By: bfra on 6/19/12 at 2:56

Ben - Excuse me, no it was Big Papa. I need to pay closer attention.

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 2:58

If you accidentally read this, BenDover, do you prefer a "gay" parade for homosexuals, or would prefer to just see the parade our "normal" GIs make?

By: yogiman on 6/19/12 at 3:08

BenDover,

I'll argue with you until November my "arguments" on Obama's legality aren't crap. I realize my brain works [apparently] quite a bit different than yours and your fellow posters.

I prefer a president in that office legally, even if they don't give a damn about the citizens and the nation. You seem to think: Well, he's in there, just wait until next time". So you're willing to let him destroy this nation unquestioned.

We differ.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/19/12 at 3:18

yogi you sure do differ with Ben. He is a better man and human to boot. LOL