Up for Debate: Romney takes round one

Wednesday, October 3, 2012 at 9:40pm

Mitt Romney appeared to handily win the first of the 2012 presidential debates against President Barack Obama. Discuss the main points scored by each candidate. What were the weaknesses of each candidate? Where did their rhetoric stray from facts? What adjustments do you see each candidate making for round two?

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By: yogiman on 10/3/12 at 10:48

Romney corrected Obama on occasions when Obama made false claims. He looked Obama in the eye when making remarks to him and made points on every subject.

Obama rarely looked at Romney when talking directly to him and wasn't able to give any positive answers to his work up to date.

Romney won the "debate".

By: yogiman on 10/3/12 at 10:52

Round two:

Hang in there, Mitt. Make a few more left jabs and get give him a good left hook near the end of the round.

By: Ummm... on 10/4/12 at 5:02

Willard did indeed win the debate because in our superficial modern culture, style always trumps substance. This will be a shot in the arm for all those who want to return to the policies of 2000-2008 that nearly destroyed our economy while making the rich richer and the poor poorer.

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 5:11

I didn't watch, baseball was on, but my wife did. She said afterward that Romney presented himself much better but she didn't believe a word that came out of his mouth.

I do have to say that it will be amusing to see some here eat crow this morning...like Loner, who practically guaranteed Obama was going to destroy Romney...oops. lol

I believe I said it before, and I'll say it again, the Dems always snatch defeat out of the hands of victory. Get ready.

I wonder if Obama will be more prepared in round two?

By: yogiman on 10/4/12 at 5:25

Not without his teleprompters.

By: govskeptic on 10/4/12 at 5:39

Romney did a great job last evening, as most would expect me to say.
His refuting much of what the Obama campaign has been falsely giving as
his position on several issues was well explained. Of course, most of
the talking TV heads that support the President are attempting to say "He
lied", along with blaming Jim Lehrer for not interrupting more. Laughable.

The President certainly wasn't awful, but he also didn't have control
nor answers for what Romney had to factually say about the sorry state
of the economy and it's continuing slide even today. An absence of
challenge from the Press nor from any other corners created problems
The President couldn't answer. Creative editing will provide the networks
with clips for today that won't show this problem at all

If you didn't see Chris Matthews on the Post debate on MSNBC then you
missed the highlight of the evening (probably will never re-air). He was
so upset you'd think his head would explode. Had this debate been a
boxing match with scoring of points, Romney would have won every round.

Of course, only the first of three, but a very good start for Team America.

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By: yogiman on 10/4/12 at 5:46

govskeptic,

If Romney takes Obama down like he did last night through their Oct 22 debate, we better hope he doesn't try to pull off a martial law takeover.

By: Loner on 10/4/12 at 5:49

Good morning, Nashville.

Willard Romney did not "handily win the first of the 2012 presidential debates against President Barack Obama".....that's a right-wing fantasy

I saw the match as a draw....both men were able to recite lots of figures, dates names and things that most people are not familiar with...neither man dazzled us with brilliance....both men baffled us with BS.

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 5:49

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His refuting much of what the Obama campaign has been falsely giving as
his position on several issues was well explained.

The problem is that neither candidate was being very truthful. Just go look up the fact-checkers...which shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

Obama needs to learn to explain things like Bill Clinton, because it really is about arithmetic (apparently the GOP failed that course in grade school). And neither are being truthful about what needs to be done and how we're going to do it when there's an incompetent Congress in session.

The bottom line is whether people believe Romney when he says he wants a prosperous middle class. Sorry, but I don't.

By: Rasputin72 on 10/4/12 at 5:52

Of course Romney won the debate. The debate was about issues.

The election is not about issues. The election is about class envy and class warfare. 47% of the people in this country pay no Federal Income Tax. Obama is their only hope.

Then throw in a few intellectal liberals who don"t understand why money talks and bullshit walks.

This election is over. Just too many have nots and wannabees and angry villagers like the the"simple six"

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 5:57

Alas, the broken record returns. You and the knuckle-dragger can take your show on the road, a new vaudeville act, Dumb and Dumber.

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By: Ummm... on 10/4/12 at 5:57

Get back under the bridge Rasputin. No one wants to hear your hateful, bigoted, morally bankrupt bs except you.

By: Ummm... on 10/4/12 at 6:01

And btw Rasputin, it's spelled "intellectual," but, of course, that's a word with which you would have no experience.

By: Loner on 10/4/12 at 6:04

Notice that the looming fiscal cliff was not mentioned during the debate....as if ignoring the upcoming tax hike would make it go away. I blame the moderator for the softball questions and the lack of clock discipline...Jim Lehrer should consider retiring, IMO.

Nobody mentioned the Faith Based Initiative....the breach in the wall separating church and state has been widened under Obama....but that is not even on the radar screens, is it? The nation is sinking into theocracy in a time of Holy War...but that was not on the agenda.

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 6:10

From what I've read of the transcripts, Loner, there were several mentions of the debt and how to solve it but neither really attacked the true cause...Congress. How is it that they get a pass?

I'd also like to know why both men are propagating the idea that the President wishes something to happen and it magically does? When Romney started jabbing about Obama's record, the only logical retort was that he had an obstructionist Congress that is likely to go down as the most incompetent ever.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/4/12 at 6:22

I did not get to see the debate last night, because I was returning from Alabama. However I did hear it on the radio and Obama did sound distracted.

What I did hear. I gave it it to Romney. But it was not a K O.

By: Loner on 10/4/12 at 6:26

The automatic cuts in services and simultaneous increases in taxes....the fiscal cliff....was not mentioned.

I agree, Gd, the obstructionist congress was given a complete pass.

Obama looked tired....Romney looked like he was mainlining Red Bull. Obama's lack of recent debating experience showed....Romney has been in campaign mode longer than the POTUS has been....the GOP debates honed Romney's debating skills....Obama is out of shape, mentally.....but that will be corrected....Romney just had his high-water mark.

The CNN crew of pundits was fawning over Bishop Romney's performance...of course, CNN wants to preserve the illusion that this is a close race....that makes for better ratings....if folks saw this contest as it really is, nobody would tune in to these political shows.

The EC vote will not be close....Romney is a loser.

By: Loner on 10/4/12 at 6:42

Obama never rubbed Willard's face in his own excrement, as he should have...I'm talking about the 47% remark...Obama should have hammered on Romney's elitism and arrogance....his contempt for the poor etc. BHO should have accused the GOP of class warfare....instead, the POTUS let the challenger lead the discussion, BHO was on the defense....this will no happen in future debates; Obama knows that he was not at his best last night; the next debate will be the one to watch, if the prez delivers another lackluster performance in the next debate, we may have a horse race in November.

By: yogiman on 10/4/12 at 6:46

Y'all hear things differently up Nawth than we do down South, Loner. Romney whupped his a$$.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/4/12 at 6:46

I have a feeling that both sides were holding back and did not want to show their hand at the moment.

Obama seem to have a better poker face.

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 6:48

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By: Captain Nemo on 10/4/12 at 6:48

The trolls on the other hand will see this as they do other things, in an entirely different view.

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 6:48

We do have a horse race, Loner. You can't have anything else when the country is almost evenly divided.

By: yogiman on 10/4/12 at 6:51

I'm fascinated, Ummm.

You seem to be the only one on this site that never misspells a word.

How do you do that?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/4/12 at 6:53

I'm not even going to bother to (click)

By: Loner on 10/4/12 at 6:54

Romney pointed to the fact that not a single Republican in Congress voted for "Obamacare", as if lock-step obstructionism was something to brag about.....not a single Republican in the House or Senate voted in favor of PPACA (Obamacare)....this is a clear indication of how campaign cash donors control the federal officials; the vote went down according to party line and donor base....not a single maverick in the entire federal government....they are all on the take.

By: BigPapa on 10/4/12 at 6:54

Wow if so many lefties are willing to say it was a draw, then Romney must have mopped the floor with The Empty Suite.

By: Loner on 10/4/12 at 6:57

Horse race? For the meaningless popular vote, perhaps...the EC vote will be decisive...a few independents in a few states will make the call...the rest of us might as well stay home on election night....the fix is in....we got Democracy Lite.

By: Loner on 10/4/12 at 6:59

"The Empty Suite"? No, the Obama's have not yet moved out of the White House.

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 7:02

Wow if so many lefties are willing to say it was a draw, then Romney must have mopped the floor with The Empty Suite.

And Papa fulfills his own prophecy...hilarious. Any bets he doesn't even realize it? lol

By: Captain Nemo on 10/4/12 at 7:04

I don’t see it as mopping the floor, BigPapa. I see is as only one debate. And I am not a lefties.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/4/12 at 7:08

Fact Check;

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama and Republican rival Mitt Romney spun one-sided stories in their first presidential debate, not necessarily bogus, but not the whole truth.

They made some flat-out flubs, too. The rise in health insurance premiums has not been the slowest in 50 years, as Obama stated. Far from it. And there are not 23 million unemployed, as Romney asserted.

Here's a look at some of their claims and how they stack up with the facts:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/fact-check-presidential-debate-missteps-1.4072614

By: yogiman on 10/4/12 at 7:15

Loner,

You say not a single Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare. I'm wondering, how many Democrats voted against it?

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 7:15

That's what I said earlier, nemo. Neither were truthful, so you can only judge on style points, which was a Romney win by a mile. In that context, it was a rout, plain and simple.

Now, Papa was right yesterday when he said that those who've already made up their mind would say their candidate one. The truly amusing part is the rationalization of both sides...funny stuff.

So, the debate style score is Romney 1.5 (an extra .5 for really making Obama look bad) and Obama 0.

The truth score is a tie...-10 for both. I'm not very optimistic that truth will make an appearance at the next debate, either.

The real sympathy should be for Big Bird...to throw a giant muppet on the street in the middle of a recession...Romney has no heart...

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 7:15

s/h/b won

By: Loner on 10/4/12 at 7:17

Romney looks great, for a man who is old enough to be and in fact is a Vietnam War draft-dodger. Lack of hard physical labor and weathering have preserved the boyish good looks of the Mormon Bishop....some "Just For Men" hair dye helps...as do the tailored suits....great teeth, superb hair, good skin tone, perfect posture....Romney looks good for an older man.

President Obama is showing the strains of the office....he is greying and his expression is more somber than it was in 2008....the job is taking its toll on the man....for all of his hard work, the right-wing media hate-machine has portrayed Obama as an "empty suit"....or worse.....that has to take its toll too.

Maybe Mr. Obama sees the looming fiscal cliff and would just as soon pass the baton to MItt? Time to bail?

Let Mitt sit in the hot seat, when the incompetence of the Super Committee finally becomes glaringly apparent to every American....Obama could be resting in Hawaii, sipping a mint julep when the shit hits the fan....laughing at President Romney's ineptitude.

By: govskeptic on 10/4/12 at 7:25

The biggest unreported news in this economy is the number of people that
are unemployed and for so long they've just quit looking for a job. Another
large number have lost jobs and taken low paying full or part-time jobs that
are still squeezing them on making house and living expenses. Those in
these type situations make the drop in the official unemployment rate look
better than it actually is. A true fact is that the number of people with a
full time job has dropped to the same number as in 2000.

Big bird may not be dead, but his diet intake make be reduced a bit.

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 7:33

Gov, you're right, but there seems to be structural issues going on. First, there are jobs out there, just not qualified applicants. Not just under-qualified either, but over qualified.

My sister is one. She's been unemployed for a while now and because she's getting desperate, she's interviewing for jobs she's too qualified to do, and employers know it and are passing. That's a problem.

Of course, being under-qualified is a problem too. There are enormous opportunities out there for high-tech jobs and not enough people with the skill necessary to fill them. And given the years of inadequate education in regards to math and science in this country, it isn't going to get any better.

So, it would seem that a priority would be retraining, vocational programs, etc. Wouldn't you agree?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/4/12 at 7:35

It is only one debate, gdia and I won't let one disappointing night get me down. Now on the other hand, the other side is jumping up and down with excitement and seeing this as there victory. Now, just think how down they will be if the next debate swings the other way.

If worst comes to worst and Romney wins, I will still be me and go about my life as I always have. The fringe will be running from their falling sky and I will be laughing at their foolishness.

By: BenDover on 10/4/12 at 7:36

Anyone who watched the debate saw the real Romney and the real Obama... unspun by media and punditry. The rewrite of this history was happening has it went on and is still happening today in this forum, in fact.

I understand I missed an anniversary yesterday. The celebration of 17 years ago when part of the country stood dumfounded in stunned awe and another part cheered over the O.J. acquittal. Barrack and Michelle would have been celebrating their 3rd anniversary on that day so I wonder which side they took since this was over 12 years before the first time in Michelle's adult life she was proud to be an American.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/02/michelle-obam-1-2/

On that friend's I'm outta here for the day. Booked solid with meetings and such.

And since it was I who invented what has become the City Paper's form of a down-vote I'll save everyone else the trouble.

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By: bfra on 10/4/12 at 7:40

Ben - Even with your never ending spin, I don't think you ever invented anything but a relationship to yogi.

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 7:40

There's a little hypocrisy in that statement, nemo. You guys were saying Romney wasn't supposed to be in this debate. He won it, and he won it big. Perhaps the voters will give Obama a mulligan, after all, other past winners have lost a debate or two (didn't Bush pretty much lose all three to Kerry in 2004?).

But Obama supporters should be worried. This was to be the final nail in the coffin but it looks like reports of Romney's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

I think Obama will have to win the next one just as much or more as Romney won this one to erase the gains. Simply maintaining a draw won't cut it.

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 7:42

Anyone who watched the debate saw the real Romney and the real Obama... unspun by media and punditry. The rewrite of this history was happening has it went on and is still happening today in this forum, in fact.

Except...both have been weaving tall tales...apparently you bought it. A sucker is born every day...or so I've heard.

By: yogiman on 10/4/12 at 7:42

Well, Loner,

If Romney can make billions in the private industry, hopefully he can make trillions in the governmental industry.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/4/12 at 7:42

Hello Ben (unclick)

btw it was me that said if there was an troll off button would you push. You were the first.

By: Loner on 10/4/12 at 7:45

The major US media want to preserve the illusion that this election will be a cliff-hanger, so we should all stay glued to our TV screens, to stay current. ...so, they hype it up.

These elections are big fat cash cows for the major media....investigative, muck-raking journalism is a thing of the past....today, the media see their duty, their role as that of entertainment providers, not crusaders or reformers....whoever pays the media pipers, calls the tunes...it's strictly a fee for service arrangement these days.

The lefties on CNN's board of pundits went along with the phony CNN BS....they piled on the prez too...again, it's all about ratings; CNN wants the race to look suspenseful....like the Mitt has a real chance of victory in November.

By: gdiafante on 10/4/12 at 7:46

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I have to say, after reading the transcripts and reading the fact-checkers, it's a wonder that both men's pants didn't spontaneously combust. Is this really the best two candidates for the job??

I'm glad I watched the baseball games. BTW, anyone think Granderson was going to spoil Cabrerra's triple crown? How freaking hot is Robinson Cano right now...

By: wataboutbob on 10/4/12 at 7:48

BigPapa "Wow if so many lefties are willing to say it was a draw, then Romney must have mopped the floor with The Empty Suite."

I was thinking the same thing!

And, rather than talking about pulling funds from PBS and Big Bird, I would have liked to hear about saving billions of dollars by reducing foreign aid to countries like Libya, Egypt, Pakistan, etc.

By: budlight on 10/4/12 at 7:48

Loner on 10/4/12 at 6:49
Good morning, Nashville.

Willard Romney did not "handily win the first of the 2012 presidential debates against President Barack Obama".....that's a right-wing fantasy

I saw the match as a draw....both men were able to recite lots of figures, dates names and things that most people are not familiar with...neither man dazzled us with brilliance....both men baffled us with BS.
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How you saw the match is as irrevelant to me as it is to the rest of the world.
I did not watch it. I watch Honky Tonk Man with Clint Eastwood. Wow! He's a brilliant actor. I just was amazed when I saw Marty Robbins in the movie, along with other Nashville greats! When Marty was singing, it was like hearing the voice of an angel. That man could sing. And this movie has Clint Eastwood singing also. It was awesome.

OK, proceed with the bashing of Romney. If Obama looked tired and inexperienced, it is because he is.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/4/12 at 7:49

The work force has change over the years and employers are doing more work with less workers.

You should not get despaired now, gdia. It was only one debate. Don’t torture yourself so. Wait for the next debate and if Romney wins that one, then you can get out of sorts then. I will join you. lol