Up for Debate: School board votes on charter appeals

Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 12:00am

The Metro Board of Education voted to reject Great Hearts Academies' appeal of a previous denial with one board member concerned about eroding what diversity there currently is in Metro schools. The board also accepted KIPP Nashville and Purpose Prep Academy's appeals. Do you agree with the board's decision? Do you share the concerns over diversity?


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By: BenDover on 6/27/12 at 3:54

Sounds like some quality education was sacrificed to the gods of political correctness and diversity.

Those families who can afford to do so will move out to one of the surrounding counties where the school systems are better or put their kids in private schools.

By: yogiman on 6/27/12 at 5:19

Since the government has taken the responsibility for furnishing the children's education, they should only be interested in furnishing good education for the children as much as the children's parents.

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 5:32

Good morning, Nashville.

Charter schools are often a euphemism for Christian schools...and Christian schools are a euphemism for segregated schooling. Apparently, Jesus hated the African Negro too.

The old confederacy is still unrepentant...still trying to figure out how to educate the white kids while leaving the black kids in ignorance, poverty and hopelessness.

The South has consistently resisted the federal pressure to integrate its schools for many decades....this race-based foolishness is the result of the hate and loathing that resides just below the surface in Southern culture.....many Southerners still reject the legitimacy of our nation's first black POTUS.....the South has a long, long way to go.

As for the Arizona-based charter school system....it's from AZ, it's gotta be a racist deal.

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 5:56

The solution? Send your kids up North for their education....we know how to do it right....the money that the South could save by tearing down and not rebuilding their "schools" and shipping their kids out of state could be used to hire more local policeman and local pastors....and more pro sports teams.

By: Ummm... on 6/27/12 at 6:16

Just like a yankee to propose that solution, Loner. What will you call it? "Bussing???" Just because we might save enough money to re-print all the "Whites Only" and "Colored Seating in Back of Bus" signs, we still need to keep the kids around to do all the household chores like washing the dishes, taking out the garbage, mowing the lawn, etc.

By: yogiman on 6/27/12 at 6:17


You seem know more about the south and southerner's frames of minds than the southerners know.

You must have gotten that education up north.

To help educate you a little about when the education system is doing to the children of today I suggest you go to

When I was a child we didn't have school buses. And today they have adult monitors on school buses. And education has gotten better?

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 6:22

Ummm, not to worry....illegal aliens will do the dishes, mow the lawns, take out the garbage.....we don't need the young 'uns to do that....in fact, the economy could boom if the parents rent out their kids' rooms while they are up North being educated....kerching!

As for a name for my proposal, how about "Operation Yankeefication"? Once the South has been Yankeefied, love, peace, understanding and goodwill will flourish in the formerly intolerant South....or your money back!

By: Ummm... on 6/27/12 at 6:34

Sounds like you've really thought this through, Loner, so I'm in. Just to be clear though, we don't have to send the minority urchins up north, just the anglos, right?

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 6:39

We will take them all, Ummm....as long as they come with some funding....UNESCO, US, state, local, NGO, private philanthropy.... whatever.

By: yogiman on 6/27/12 at 6:41

Sounds like a communist scheme to me, Ummm, with the thought; Send me your children and I'll raise them to think like I want then to think. Then I'll send them back home to you and they can teach you my thoughts on how you should live your life.

Does any communist think differently?

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 6:47

The young ones will be transformed and culturally illuminated....they will return to their homes to become ambassadors of goodwill and enlightenment.

They will have learned how to play the Djembe drum in a drum circle around a warm and inviting campfire....they will know the lyrics of "Kum-Bah-Yah". They will know how to smoke the pipe of peace.

And Jupiter will align with Mars.

By: dargent7 on 6/27/12 at 6:49

Look at the facts folks...Tenn. comes in 46th out of 50 states for academic UNDER achievement, lowest test scores, ACT and SAT's, GPA's, graduation rates, etc.
And just plain intelligence.
Whether it's a public school, charter school, private school, southerners don't value education as much as their beloved tractors, guns, Bibles, and tobacco.
Hide their head's in the sand dune re: gays, women's rights, sex education, contraception, birth control, Evolution, etc.
I've met so many people here who don't have a H.S. education, no GED, and some dropped out of school in the 7th grade. You kiddin' me?
If I didn't graduate from H.S. my dad would of shot me. Not given me a job on daddy's farm bailing hay and feeding the chickens and cows.

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 6:53

Darge...you are describing the Amish?

By: Ummm... on 6/27/12 at 7:03

Peace guiding the planets, love steering the stars- Loner's got it sussed. Bye, bye children!

By: govskeptic on 6/27/12 at 7:04

After an overwhelming win on the word count yesterday, looks like Loner has
all the making of winning again today with more solutions for we mere
southerners. Darge joins the white haters with his incorrect info on where
the state stands on many of the intelligence and score factors, but neither
of these self-proclaimed genus address the core question on the charter
applicants that were denied. Great Hearts has a great record and presented
a professional and sound application to this School Board. What they
failed to do was Pretend to be serving the poorest of the poor and not
enough give-a-ways and baby sitting solutions!

By: Captain Nemo on 6/27/12 at 7:05

Loner has got the right answer.

Old joke; What scares the hell out of Southerners? A Yankee with a moving van headed south. Education will surely follow.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/27/12 at 7:07

By: yogiman on 6/27/12 at 7:17

You seem know more about the south and southerner's frames of minds than the southerners know.

When I was a child we didn't have school buses. And today they have adult monitors on school buses. And education has gotten better?

When yogi was in school, he did his home work was on the cave wall.

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 7:07

But seriously....up here, we pay property taxes to the town and/or village or city in which the property is located...in addition to that, we also pay a "school tax", to fund the centralized public school system. The centralized public school systems also receive aid from the State of New York...that money is derived from the NY State Income Tax....the NYS Lottery also chips into the General Fund....some federal dollars also flow into the mix, I'm sure....it's not all that complicated, in education, you get what you pay for....you gotta spend the dough and centralized, integrated, secular, public schools are the way to go.

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 7:12

Thank you, Govskeptic, for keeping a word count tally and thank you for the accolades regarding my "winning" your contest. All I can say is that I credit the Felician nuns for K-8 education and the secular teachers who took it from there...and thanks, Mon & Dad for the genetic material. Life is good.

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 7:17

Good morning, Captain Nemo...I trust that your recent star-journey was filled with adventure and drama....by the way, did they ever remove the Klingons from the rings around Uranus....the Earth Media have been strangely silent on that vexing issue.

By: budlight on 6/27/12 at 7:26

Gov, there are many intelligent people on this board. Unfortunately Loner and his ilk are actually insecure and therein lies the reason for their constant demeaning of everyone else. Usually, genuinely intelligent people do not have to demean others to prove their superiority.

I grew up in the south. I had a great education. Yes, I worked on a farm. It was hard work and honest work and helped shape my work ethic. I then moved on to an office job in the 11th and 12th grade and worked in an insurance company and a doctor's office.

Loner and his ilk may have gotten good "school book" training, however, their lack of graciousness and respect for what others may bring to the table, actually speaks very loudly for their actual "learning". It takes more than A's in school to form a totally well rounded individual.

I believe that Great Hearts would have added to the school mix in a positive light. And probably the reason that the schools in Arizona appear to be all hispanic or black is because maybe they have the majority of students. Just look at some of the schools in Antioch and you'll see the mix is not equal hispanic, black and white. It's quite unbalanced. As it probably is in many areas.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/27/12 at 7:27

Thanks Loner. I finished my locale star journey early this month. The big one is August in Vegas,

I’ve been working in Kentucky and Tennessee for the last two weeks and I had a job in Wilmington, N.C since Thursday. I even spent a little time on the beech, watching the waves roll in and out. It was very peaceful and relaxing. I got back last night.

By: Rasputin72 on 6/27/12 at 7:33

I had hoped that the subject matter would bring out more volatility. It is much more fun when the villagers from their McDonalds Coffee Klutch come out with fangs and pitchforks.

This subject this morning is not worth the trouble. Anyone with children in Davidson County who does not have them either enrolled in private schools or who have plans to be in an adjacent county by September 1 probably are the cause of Davidson County school problems.

LONER......your philosophy and distaste for the south and its culture are exactly the same views that I have of the underclass. Is that not a co-incidence?

By: BigPapa on 6/27/12 at 7:36

The writing is on the wall and they are doing everything they can to hold up the process. Outsource education to the private sector, unburden the government of all these government employees, teachers unions, operations.. ..

By: BenDover on 6/27/12 at 7:36

For whatever reason, it is the minority population that drags down our education stats. Whether it's ESL problems or a social stigma about academic performance in the black community among young males; it is to the degree that our schools face these issues and distractions that they under-perform Loner's lily-white hamlets of the suburban north. His and D'argent's ignorant southerner stereotypes and bad schools are only true to the degree that our educators face greater challenges.

So then, again, the ignorance from a-far prescribes the earlier failed remedies of forced busing and the like. Those ivory towers must have a nice echo about them as often as flawed premises come lofting down with haughty assurances of solving racism and bigotry in 'others'. "I see racist people"

By: Ummm... on 6/27/12 at 7:37

Rasputin has met the underclass, and they are him.

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 7:37

Actually, I can understand Gov's complaint...he thinks that Darge & I are "white haters".
"Self-hating Whites" might be a better term.

There is precedence for this sort of thing. Zionist Jews, for example, routinely refer to non-Zionist Jews as "Self-hating Jews"....Google it, I don't make this stuff up.

Zionist Jews want to gather together in Israel and establish or re-establish a Jewish State....the "self-hating" Jews prefer to assimilate into the societies of their present homelands, their place of birth.

It's the old idea that if you are not with us you must be with them....it's always been "us versus them" throughout human history...so I can understand, but not condone Govskeptic's beliefs and white supremacist attitudes....same goes for Zionism...it's tribalism.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/27/12 at 7:37

Question; How does a troll monkey know what is intelligent from under a bridge?

Answer; By watching the trash flow by and then concluding that this is what life is all about.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/27/12 at 7:38

The nasty little monk comes out thinking that it is better then the rest, but little does it know, that the rest of the world has to look down to see it and not step on such pale ego.

By: budlight on 6/27/12 at 7:40

Speaking of diversity, I am sure that somewhere, someone will agree that the ACLU is part of the problem our country has regarding race relations. To prove my point, they are adding to the racial divide as follows:

ATLANTA (AP) — The American Civil Liberties Union will help the Ku Klux Klan in its bid to join Georgia's highway cleanup program as a legal fight looms.
ACLU of Georgia Executive Director Debbie Seagraves tells The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (bit.ly/MsnzdD) that the civil rights group will assist the Klan in its battle with the state. The International Keystone Knights of the KKK applied to join the "Adopt-A-Highway" program along part of Route 515 in the north Georgia mountains. Participating groups are recognized with a sign along the road they adopt. State officials announced this month they would deny the KKK group's application, setting up the legal showdown. Seagraves says the ACLU is still working on its strategy for representing the group in what it considers a First Amendment case.

The ACLU has gone too far this time. They are nut cakes who want to keep the pot stirred up.

By: Ummm... on 6/27/12 at 7:40

Loner, just who is part of your "ilk?" Brainedlight seems to have great contempt for them. (Hoping I'm included, since brainedlight's contempt is an official badge of honor.)

By: yogiman on 6/27/12 at 7:41

Today doesn't make it hard to understand why the government established the Department of Education and took over the children's education.

For you children, before WWII most of the food in the US was grown in the south and middle US. The industries were in the north. It was rare to find one in another section of the nation.

But some industries began moving into the south in WWII where they could find more people to build equipment for the war. Then after After WWII more industry came south. Many sharecroppers began moving into town to work and earn a steady paycheck.

The communist party had gotten a foot on the road to the US capital. The Department of Education was formed by Jimmy Carter because it was supposed to teach all children the same subject in all schools. What education do the children of communist nations get?

Let's face it, all sections of the country were different back then. The people's ancestors had come from different places of the world and moved into the section of the US that was more like "home" to them.

And then the government took over and the children were taught according to the government's standards. So you can see what we have today after a few decades of government education.

By: yogiman on 6/27/12 at 7:44

No, nimrod, I did my homework at the kitchen table with my mother watching me. Where did you do yours, the outhouse?

Or did you have toilets?

By: budlight on 6/27/12 at 7:44

Of course, Ummm. You would think that way -- you of little consequence to anything. You would read "contempt" into anything that anyone who is not of your "ilk" writes. Do you even know what "ilk" means?

I thought so.

By: yogiman on 6/27/12 at 7:47

Hey, Loner,

We pay property tax down here to the county we live in and also the city if we live in the city.

Are your more special than ours?

By: dargent7 on 6/27/12 at 7:49

Tenn. isn't 46th out of 50 states all across the board in scholastic achievement?
Stats don't lie, look it up.
But, it's another typical "southern" response to FACTS.
Kinda like, Climate Change is a hoax..."
The highs here the next 5 days are 103 degrees.
Morons say, "the Earth is cooling, that's a fact..."
Go figure.

By: slacker on 6/27/12 at 7:52

Who is this Ray Cyst guy I keep hearing about? Is he the new Director of Nashville schools?

By: BenDover on 6/27/12 at 7:53

D'argent, since it's you who loves to throw that stat around so much I'll direct this one at you:


By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 7:54

Sitting in my lilly white hamlet of Adams Basin....overlooking the Historic Erie Canal....millionaires to the North, South, East & West of me...my ilk....the alluring aroma of Grey Poupon wafts through the sweet summer air...a warm breeze stirs the hardwood's leaves...our estates are well-wooded....perhaps I'll take the Rolls for a spin....no, that would be irresponsible hedonism...my mission is to help the people of Nashville, TN....it's a thankless task....my cross to bear, as the nuns would say.

By: yogiman on 6/27/12 at 7:57

Naw, Loner,

You and dargent7 are 'slightly' different. dargent7 is one of those damn Yankees that came down here and stayed. You're one of the Yankees that thinks you know more about the south than the southerners, when you actually don't know what you're talking about.

If you, in fact, have came down on a vacation, is your brain so big you know more about the south than we southerners?

By: budlight on 6/27/12 at 7:59

D7, a few hot days out of 365 and you think it's global warming. Actually, it is just regional hot days! I remember the temperature getting up to the 100's when I was a kid. That's just how the universe works. Sometimes it's cold! Sometimes it's hot! And sometimes it's downright comfortable! It's called "nature".

And you worry too much about the weather. Remember, it is the one thing on the planet (and above) that no human can actually change. Oh, unless you're Al Gore and Obama who think they invented everything and can change everything.

Don't worry! It will be cold soon enough. Remember last time you had a really cold, cold spell and you prayed for warmer weather? Well, your prayers were answered. Don't pray so hard next time and maybe the temperature will stay under 90!

Yogi, I think what Loner means by the property tax referral is that the money is probably better spent and that could be correct. After all Karl Dean is not in charge where he came from!

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 8:00

Yes, Ummm, you are included in my online ilk.....that's not necessarily a good thing....you could be accused of being "anti-Semantic", for example....or a "white hater".

By: Captain Nemo on 6/27/12 at 8:06

When yogi was younger in his childhood, his mother had to watch over him, because he did not have the brains to do his homework the dirt floor of a cave.

By: budlight on 6/27/12 at 8:44
Of course, Ummm. You would think that way -- you of little consequence to anything. You would read "contempt" into anything that anyone who is not of your "ilk" writes. Do you even know what "ilk" means?

"I thought so."

The troll monkey wants us to think she is a mind reader.

By: Loner on 6/27/12 at 8:06

As I said, we pay property taxes, school taxes and state income taxes...and we have the tax on ignorance: The New York State Lottery. If you folks are not using all of those separate revenue sources, then you lack the revenue to reform and excel in the area of primary and secondary public school education.

By: Ummm... on 6/27/12 at 8:08

Brainedlight vents her righteous indignation toward the ACLU- how dare they defend the rights of the KKK? Don't they agree with the recently enlightened, former racists like her that these are "bad guys?" Well, ye of the light brain, uh, yes, they do. But guess what? The ACLU will defend the constitutional rights of all citizens- even the "bad" ones, like you, brainedlight, for example.

By: Captain Nemo on 6/27/12 at 8:11

That is a pretty picture you paint Loner, it make me want to come back for a visit.

By: BenDover on 6/27/12 at 8:24

Why not compare the schools of Detroit to Nashville, D'argent? Certainly the Nashville hicks could manage a close second, right?

How does Nashville red-neck stack up against Detroit sharia?

And don't pull out one of those studies that weighs high spending levels over performance. Results are all that matter.

By: yogiman on 6/27/12 at 8:32

The ACLU used to be a good organization, budlight, but it has changed its "way of life" to become the ACLDU (American Civil Liberties Destruction Union).

By: slacker on 6/27/12 at 8:33

Diversity has not really proven to be our strength. If you PC types doubt that, look at the results of the school system, invoking that fantasy. Insisting that a black child has to sit next to a white child to learn, is insulting, and demeaning. Properly staffed and supplied, neighborhood schools, could create camaraderie, and maybe a more stable learning atmosphere.

By: yogiman on 6/27/12 at 8:35

You must have studied climatology with Al Gore, dargent7.