Up for Debate: SCOTUS rules on eavesdropping

Wednesday, October 10, 2012 at 12:58am

In a ruling Tuesday, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a law that protected communications companies working with the government in wiretapping operations from lawsuits. The law had been criticized by civil libertarians for giving too much power to the government. Do you agree with the court's action? Do you think there will come a time when the practice is either accepted or rolled back?

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154 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 10/10/12 at 7:12

Boy, I can't wait to see how fast you children click the buttons on your a$$es after Nov. 6. That is, if congress doesn't allow a martial law to take effect and we have an election.

We'll know within the next 28 days.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 7:13

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By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 7:14

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By: Ask01 on 10/10/12 at 7:16

Government has a terrible track record of enacting laws for noble purposes, but allowing those laws to be twisted to suit the whims of the ruling class.

I know many people take the simplistic view of, don't break the law and you'll be fine, and on the surface such is fine advice. Delving deeper, when one considers the possibilities of rogue law enforcement using existing laws in manners never intended by those who originally crafted the legislation, regardless how well meaning (hopefully) they may have been.

Like Captain Nemo, in the first comment, so long as this is always used for the intended purpose, I see no problem. The difficulty will be when law enforcement becomes bored, has a bone to pick with certain segments of society, or government decides we, the people, have far to much freedom for their safety.

I would feel better if laws granting such broad powers to government and especially law enforcement came with built in absolute drop dead dates after which such activity would be illegal, requiring government to start at square one to reinstate the laws.

This is a true double edged sword.

By: yogiman on 10/10/12 at 7:19

Ignorance is the lack of intelligence and is the proof of stupidity of the believer.

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 7:19

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Loner, science is a dirty word now. And it shows in our children's test scores. I have a theory about that too...parents. They're lazy and, in some cases, only teach their children what they think they should know. If they don't buy evolution, it's ignored.

Children should be taught everything and then when they reach an age of reason, they can make up their own mind. We're creating a generation that can't think for themselves and are only regurgitating their parents beliefs.

Which begs the question, how are the parents so damn stupid in the first place? Why is it more important to a parent that their kids know more about Genesis than multiplication tables? Seriously.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 7:23

Yeah, Bfra...a lying flip-flopper...a dishonest waffler....a deceitful political chameleon....a prevaricating reverser...an untruthful switcher.....in other words, he's a politician.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 7:33

Gd: Science and the scientific method have been demonized by the Evangelicals...their "schools" are Judeo-Christian Madrassas-Midrash affairs...they turn out holy warriors with just enough brains and "character" to qualify for the US armed forces....these folks truly believe the Hebrew fairy tales and folklore... and they support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish State without question...to them this is prophecy fulfillment and proof that the "End Times" are upon us...they are what I call, "Armageddon Expediters".

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/10/12 at 7:35

Science debunks many of the Bible myths that are taken literally and they can't handle the truth.

By: yogiman on 10/10/12 at 7:36

Well, gdiafante, since you didn't click you off button, I'll presume you're still reading. So I'll tell you what happened to the the education of the children of today.

The federal guvmunt took over the education of the children in the manner all children would be taught the same lessons all over the nation. Now I ask, what is communism? All people see the government as only one.

As a child, the first day of every school year we went in and found out what our course would be for that year. We went to a privately owned book store and bought our books.

Of course, back then, in the 30s and 40s there was few schools in the counties but each school could have a different subject in their required classes; like reading, writing, and arithmetic. And we had courses in civics, geography and history.

The communist party has been on the control scheme since they put the government controlled education of the children.

I believe that started under Jimmy Carter when the Department of Education was formed. And I believe Lamar Alexander was the first head of that department.

By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 7:46

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By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 7:51

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Well, the one redeeming fact that gives me a somewhat optimistic hope for the future is this story.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/survey-one-in-five-americans-is-religiously-unaffiliated/?hpt=hp_c2

Maybe we're headed in the right direction. And for Ben, who I'm sure is lurking with his ten stones, religion and morality/ethics is not mutually exclusive.

By: yogiman on 10/10/12 at 8:02

Are you clicking on or off, (bad f@rts repeated again) bfra?

It's hard to tell when y'all are reading or writing. Maybe you should go back to school to learn which way to switch the switch.

To enhance you knowledge, it has two positions: It's either on or off. So you must learn which position is on or off. OK?

I hope you can learn before the election.

By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 8:02

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By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 8:07

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By: yogiman on 10/10/12 at 8:11

bfra (bad f@rts repeated again), maybe you should connect a switch that shows buttons that has on and off written on them. Or can't you read them?

If you can't read them I'll accept your ignorance and guess which button you hit the last time you punched one of them.

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 8:11

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Interesting take on his speech and the comments are as well.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2012/10/mitt-romneys-foreign-policy

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 8:13

Gd: That twenty percent ought to organize their own political party...The Non Believers....the NB Party....mostly from the left, a few secular conservatives might also join the NB party....this is the only segment of society that could find it in their hearts to say "No More Holy War"....but even in that slice of our society, support for Israel is probably still strong....the pro-Israel media has inculcated an innate, unshakeable support for the nuclear-armed Jewish State concept.

By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 8:14

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By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 8:17

gdiafante - Interesting article & comments tell the real story.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 8:32

I went to the article by "Lexington" that you linked to, Gd.

I was going along with the author's points until I read this:

Surely the bigger, painful lesson of recent decades is that anti-American hatred among Islamic extremists is triggered by bipartisan policies that America cannot and should not change, starting with strong support for Israel, and some that are not going to change any time soon, such as close co-operation with the petro-monarchies of the Gulf.

Lexington does not realize that our support for Israel and militant, apartheid Zionism is the root cause of the violent Jihad...he advocates fighting the symptoms, while ignoring the cause of the malady....he is, IMO, a fool.

By: Kosh III on 10/10/12 at 8:34

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/scott-desjarlais-abortion-pro-life_n_1953136.html

Tennessee Tea Party Congressman/Physician has an affair with a patient, gets her pregnant, pressures her to have an abortion.
Now he's anti-abortion and pro-family.

"Woe unto you....hypocrites..." Matthew 23:1

By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 8:36

Loner - For the most part, the article tell the real truth.

By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 8:37

s/h/b - tells

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 8:39

The author is an educated fool, IMO...the quote that I posted here says it all...the guy is an unabashed Zionist...we should strap his ass to the first bunker buster dropped on Iran.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 8:42

Thanks for the link, Kosh....those pitiful tea baggers....situational ethics is the core of their "character".

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 8:48

I don't think he's a fool, Loner. That part of American foreign policy isn't going to change and I doubt it ever will. That's a fact. He is pointing out that an even more aggressive pro-Israel stance will cause more American resentment, not cure it, as Romney thinks.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 8:58

The Pits of Hell, I just love it.

By: yogiman on 10/10/12 at 9:00

It boils down to the fact you don't know what kind of president a person will be until they go into the office. Who is the last president who was thought of as a good man for the nation? I can only think of Ronald Reagan, but then there are many to don't think he was.

You have to take what you get when you get them. Give them 4 years and send them home and try someone else. It should be insisted they be Constitutionally eligible. (whose next, please?)

How many of them have run for that office whose sole reason wasn't egotistical to be put into the history book? The ones that went in office for their country are few and far between.

Why is everyone in office to serve their party instead of the nation? What political party has ever considered the nation first instead of their party?

When Harry Truman left office he was broke and there was no retirement program then. Congress passed the presidential retirement program because once a person serves as our President it was felt they should continue "representing" the nation and not be "swept under the rug" as a former president.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 9:00

Rep. Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee, said this about the sordid affair with his patient:

"Well, I've been going crazy. I mean, if Susan could talk to you, she'd tell you that I've been psychotic for months over this," DesJarlais says. "I don't sleep at night. I mean, it's like I'm trying to build my family back together just waiting for it to fall apart, and it's been eating me apart." (end quote)

In spite of this filthy creep's admission that he is mentally unbalanced, polling data shows that the equally unbalanced voters of TN are overwhelmingly supporting his re-election to the House of Representatives...they feel that this guy represents their values.....I believe that he does. represent the values of the majority of Tennesseans.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 9:03

I did not see where Lexington called for decreased support for the Jewish State concept, Gd....he defended the unshakeable bond between the Jewish state and the USA...he's a Zionist....RAUS!

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 9:03

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By: yogiman on 10/10/12 at 9:07

Sorry, Loner.

We have Representatives district wise. He only represents the people of his home district who idiotically vote for him.

But I guess to idiotically vote for him in his home district is like the idiots idiotically voting nationwide for an unqualified candidate (Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama) for the presidency, isn't it?

By: Ask01 on 10/10/12 at 9:12

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By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 9:14

Then leaves are much better in color between Knoxville and Cookville. It seems that the plateau have a golden look, with splashes of reds, bronze and orange trees through out the mountain side. I-40 at Rockwood has lots of red and orange trees along the roadside..

Life is GREAT!!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 10/10/12 at 9:15

Sounds beautiful, Nemo!

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 9:16

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By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 9:16

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By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 9:19

It is, Blanket and will only get better as the days slip by. I recommend if you can take a short trip and see for yourself.

It will be a few weeks before the trees at my home will be at there peak.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 9:20

Here's my rant:

Establishing a "Jewish state" clearly violates the US Constitution. But we ignored the Founder's sage advice concerning theocracy. Now we are paying the price for our stupidity and our shame.

Bankrolling, arming and defending a theocratic state outside our union of states was a foolish, racist idea to begin with.

Truman did not want any more Jews coming to the USA, he hoped that every American Jew would move to Israel...the dumping grounds for unwanted Jews...Harry Truman was no humanitarian....ask the Japanese about that.

Zionism is counter-productive to its stated goal of saving the Jewish race from annihilation....concentration enables annihilation...Hitler understood this...Netanyahu does not get it.

History has shown that our unshakeable and generous support for the scofflaw-nuclear-armed Jewish state has been exceedingly counter-productive to US national interests, in spite of what you may have read, seen or heard in the Israel-friendly US media.

Yes, IMO, Lexington is an educated fool...but he is far from being alone...he is in the majority.

Call me an "anti-Semite", if you must, but the US-Israel "special relationship" is counter-productive to the interests of the American public. My allegiance is to the United States of America, not the Jewish state in Palestine.....sorry, if that offends anyone.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 9:22

There is cloud cover in Crossville at the moment. I have been in sunshine most of the way. What is it lie in Nashville?

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 9:23

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By: Captain Nemo on 10/10/12 at 9:27

Back on the road, for now. See you later, people.

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 9:30

I don't disagree that the relationship should change between the U.S. and Israel, but Lexington is no fool. I've read his stuff for a while. I don't agree with all of it but to call him a fool is a stretch.

Yogi's a fool. Lexington is misguided in some of his political beliefs. There's a difference.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 9:30

...on the road again, he just can't wait to get back on the road again...I hear Willy Nelson in the background? Enjoy the journey, Captain Nemo....like they say, life is a highway.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 9:37

Please, do no get me wrong, Gd, I'm sure that Lexington is well-read, educated and articulate...his IQ is probably higher than average....still, anyone who embraces a foolish idea is a fool for that idea...I outlined my position in my rant....IMO, the "special relationship" is a dangerously foolish one, hence my "passion" on this important issue....No More Holy War!

By: gdiafante on 10/10/12 at 9:39

Alex Karras has died.

By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 9:41

As for yogi...yeah, we agree...the man is a fool's fool...Johnny One-Note....
....."USURPER...USURPER...RE-USURPER"....thank the Lord's of Cobol for the (click).

By: bfra on 10/10/12 at 9:43

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By: Loner on 10/10/12 at 9:47

He was an NFL legend...may he rest in peace...certainly D7 is in morning at the passing of that great Detroit Lions linesman....and great entertainer... one of the good guys, IMO.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8485788/alex-karras-humor-was-strength

Nice tribute to Alex in that link.....classy.