Break down the Senate immigration measure passed Thursday? What will happen with it in the House?
Why do the Repubs keep cooperating in handing the Dems all these wedges? You don't get to tell your side of the story when the Dems fire up their call banks in the run-up to the mid-terms morons, and every one of these wedges will be exploited to the MAX. How do you have a president and democratic majority who have presided over 4+ years of 8% unemployment, deficits $1Trillion every year over trend, an Obamacare entitlement that's going to cost 4 times what was promised, numerous scandals and improprieties involving abuse of power; and then let them focus on wedges that create a chasm in your the party and offer them easy pickins for driving turn-out of excitable single issue voters?
Isn't it a crime to knowingly aid and bet a criminal? Aren't all who have entered the USA illegally criminals? We obviously have a bunch of criminals in our congress today of which 68 have identified them selves.
Why did Lamar Alexander make the statement: "We cannot restore a system of legal immigration--which is is the real American dream--if we undermine it by granting new benefits to those who are here illegally."
Why did Bob Corker make the statement: "We need a new immigration policy that reflects America's values. First, secure the border. Allow people to work here but only if they're legal. Those employed here illegally must go home and return through legal channels." He then co-sponsors a bill aiding and abetting illegal aliens.
Congress is not a joke any longer, they are a legislature with a bunch of criminals aiding and abetting illegal aliens by giving them preference over persons seeking to come to the USA legally; many who have to wait years. And criminals aren't welcomed here legally.
So how many criminals of the 11 million noted is congress welcoming? And how do they know it's only 11 million they are welcoming.
I hope the House corrects the Senate's error.
S/H/B 'aid and abet a criminal'.
I'm afraid it will be too late when many will discover what is going on in our nation. It is a power grab and the citizens will be under absolute government control.
Just look back a few years at the laws congress has paced telling the citizens how they must live their lives. For their benefit, of course, not ours.
Any bill 1,200 pages long, plus add in all of the bureaucratic agents interpretations
of the bills language and ye behold an unrecognizable nightmare. Our own Sen.
Corker "The Porker", added 200 pages with his amendments that are good PR, but
will never be accomplished and he and the others know it. He stated "Tennesseans
will know it was the right thing once they get accustom to the entire bill". That tells
me he getting a lot of statewide opposition, except from all the Chambers and a
few Civic organizations which are his real base. A separate House Bill will make
more sense and hopefully will reflect a step by step approach to solving the problem.
I believe the bill could best be resolved by requiring the illegal aliens to go by the law. When did it become really true Americanism to welcome illegal aliens to our nation?
I don't believe our founders were the kind of people who would welcome illegal aliens to our nation unquestioned.
"I don't believe our founders were the kind of people who would welcome illegal aliens to our nation unquestioned."
Yes of course because our founders made sure they had properly issued passports and visas before entering the nations of the Chaubunagungamaug, Wampanoag,Hassanamisco.
And I'm sure yogi can provide birth certificates proving his Cherokee citizenship.
GOP doesn't want reform because they expect those immigrants to vote Democratic, and they expect that because these people have made a career railing against the evils of Hispanic immigrants. Considering that most Hispanic immigrants are very religious, there's no real reason they couldn't be likely GOP voters. But their bigotry is what keeps them away, and keeps a problem from being solved in the only reasonable manner. There is no realistic solution to immigration problems except passing reform and granting most of those immigrants legal status. It is simply impossible to remove 11 million people from this country without creating mass detention camps.
AFAIK, it's not a crime, it's a civil offense to enter the country without proper documentation.
The GOP have a tricky situation here. They need to reach out to Latino/Hispanic voters, but they also need to deal with immigration reform in a way which satisfies their (predominantly white) base.
Sorry I'm not one of your "brothers", Kosh III. I have Choctaw heritage.
Let me rephrase that. I'm glad I'm not an heir of the same tribe as you, Kosh III. I prefer Choctaw heritage to Cherokee heritage because I ain't like you.
If you're not old, rich, white, and Christian then the GOP doesn't think you should be allowed to vote. You know, because socialism or something.
Most of the solutions that tend to be favored by the right on illegal immigration absolve the US citizens who are hiring illegal labor (and thus creating the demand for people to come here illegally) of any responsibility for the issue. Things like a border fence are never going to be effective solutions because the border is too big to watch every inch. You have to go after the root cause by levying heavy fines for hiring someone without the legal right to work here. Right now, the Republican party gets to play both sides of this. On the one hand, they can go to blue collar white folks and say 'these people are taking your jobs', elect us and we'll control the border to keep them out. On the other they can keep large donors happy by not advancing a serious proposal that jeopardizes the availability of illegal labor at low prices.
To be really really upset about THIS wave of immigration (largely hispanic) means you are either A. ignorant of our history, where there were many large, demographic shifting waves of immigration and lots of hooplah made about how they would destroy the country or B. think hispanic immigrants are worse than Irish, Italian, Chinese, Eastern European, etc, which would make you racist or at least bigoted.
When did performing a criminal act not a crime, Kosh III? Has the laws been changed where illegal aliens coming across the border is accepted as a legal act?
Then why do we even have a constitution if the [door is open] to anyone who wants to come here? Should criminals be welcomed as criminals?
Kosh III - Anything yogi has ever put on this board is a lie. A proven LIAR doesn't change their tales unless another LIE suits better.
You have a reading comprehension problem. I never said I was Cherokee, I'm pure Euro in ancestry.
But we want to see your Birth Certificate to prove you're Choctaw. You could be a muslim terrorist.
Don't you understand the difference between a civil and criminal violation? Getting a parking ticket is not a crime, neither is entering the country without documentation-they are civil violations. Do you go to jail if you build a house that violates codes?
The immigration laws have been in place since our founders put them in order. So the question is; why haven't the laws been enforced since they have been in place?
I don't know your age, but I remember several decades from the 30s to fairly recently, there was very little illegal aliens entering the USA illegally. So the question that comes to my mind is why are so many coming to the USA illegally? Could it be because the US passed laws giving illegal aliens a 'hand in our pockets'?
"Then why do we even have a constitution if the [door is open] to anyone who wants to come here? "
""Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,"
How do I know you aren't of Cherokee heritage, Kosh III? Just because you post it? Why did you pick Cherokee for me? I thought it was because you wanted me in your tribe. No way, Jose.
Uh oh, 8 o'clock; gotta go. Have fun,kids. You might come up with something sensible today.
yogi, you obviously were just no aware it was happening. Just because you're ignorant of the fact doesn't mean it didn't happen.
As to a "hand in our pockets" - immigrants often pay into program for which they will never receive a benefit. They also pay taxes in a multitude of ways.
I don't disagree that we need immigration reform but we don't need 1200 pages of Shumer immigration reform that sets up the demise of his opposition party decades into the future.
The GOP is responsible for their inner conflicts, Ben.
Had to come in for something and took a 'glimpse' of your [expert] opinions. B2, I hope you aren't as dump as your proving yourselves to be. Not only you, but everyone of you that are holding the door open for Barry Soetoro to gain absolute control this nation. I'm wrong? Hang in there, kid, you'll find out pretty soon now.
yogi - Hang in there, kid, you'll find out pretty soon now.
yogi - WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I have been posting the above phrase for over 4 yrs. now about Obama & nobody listens. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
yogi, once again you have nothing of value to add to the conversation.
bfra, that's what he does when his statements are discredited. That or blame it on his half brain. What a loser.
Comrade, yogi is in full stupid lying mode today. The old buffoon has been shut out of the loop for days now and his flight of fancy come out bursting in a fury of hate filled rage. He hates Cherokees, Latinos, Muslims and the American way of life.
yogi as a pile of manure is his only use.
Apparently, yogi is ignorant of the Immigrattion Reform and Control Act of 1986 that Reagan passed.
The immigration reform legislation that passed yesterday in the Senate was long overdue. While the final agreement is not perfect it modernizes an antiquated system long in need of repair and serves as a compromise by leadership that will move us forward out of the hole we have been stuck in. Passage gives us cause to wave our American flags a bit more robustly on the 4th.
yogi is ignorant about a lot of things. His come backs are limited to old worn out clichés.
Facts are facts, kids. Some of us are right and others are wrong, and time will tell.
I've offered all kinds of evidence on "Obama's" eligibility but you apparently read the Constitution differently than I. I'm also questioning why Marco Rubio and Gov. Jantel keep being mentioned as possibly becoming president when it is known they were both born before their parents became American citizens. So what make them a natural born citizen?
I've been sited as being wrong, but I've never been offered any evidence Barry is in office legally. Why not, don't you have any except to just say; he's in there legally. I repeat; prove me wrong, don't just say I am, prove it.
Those of you who welcome illegal aliens into the USA but require other foreigners working their way in here legally are going to be in for a great surprise.
yogi, the only thing time has told us, is that you are a bigger idiot than we first thought.
Yeah, we don't read your "edited" Constitution - lol! I guess you "itlianized" certain parts of it for your own use.
You have been proven wrong so many times it's a worn out record. You just don't have the intelligence to comprehend the answers so you go back to your usual rant.
yogi, Reagan passed an amnesty bill when he was in office and no "gloom and doom" happened. Employers just found a loophole - don't hire people, call them "independent contractors" - that's why it didn't work.
Time is running out for yogi and his kin. Like all useless baggage, yogi can’t hold any principles that benefit humanity. His worn out dialogue, is from a pass that should have never taken place, let alone lasted into the 21st century.
Once yogi actually posted that he had "edited" the Constitution, that should have been enough to completely blank anything the brainless blob had to post.
You will not recognize the Senate bill after the house gets through with it.
yogi Presidential prediction.
By: yogiman on 10/14/12 at 10:39
I hate to tell you this, boys, but you're flushing you brain out through your a$$. Only 24 more days and you'll wonder; Just how damn stupid can I be?
pswindle, I'm sure you're right about that.
Well. B2, and you also, bfra, I'm still waiting for either of you to explain to me how "your man" is in that office legally with a Kenyan father and teenage mother. Hell, can you just explain why he has refused to show his papers? Can you explain why congress let it happen to begin with? Can you explain why it has been continually allowed to happen?
Can either of you give me just one logical explanation? Didn't think so. That's why you just keep saying [I told you] but not telling me why to told me.
s/h/b [why you told me, not to told me.
How about reading Article II, Section 1, Para. 5 of the Constitution and explain what our founders meant when they specified you must be a natural born citizen to become president or vice president of this nation.
Then read 1st Congress Sess. Ch. 3 (1790) page 4 then read 3rd Congress Sess. Ch. 21 (1795) page 415 and explain what they meant about the natural born citizen requirement.
Then please explain to me how a man who was born in Kenya (as he advertised for 16 years) with a British subject father and a teenage American girl his mother was a natural born American citizen when his mother could not pass her American citizenship down to him because of her age.
But even if she could pass her citizenship down to him, he would only have been born as a dual citizen.
I'm still waiting on how he became a natural born American citizen. Got any answers? Please explain.
Just show where I'm wrong, B2. Why do you keep repeating I am but you never offer any evidence. Why not, don't you have any?
Like I said, SEVERAL people on SEVERAL occasions spent many, many hours spelling it out to you and you can't seem to comprehend. WHY WASTE ANY MORE TIME ON YOU? You're just bored and obnoxious and want attention.
yogiman said on 6/28/13 at 7:09
I bet the indigenous tribes of this country are reading this and laughing their asses off....