Up for Debate: Sequestration blame

Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 10:05pm

Which side is more to blame for sequestration? How severe do you believe its effects will be before legislators properly address the situation — and when do you think that will be?

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65 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 1:54

The blame goes to the Tea Bags and their desire to rule even at the destruction of America.

By: yogiman on 3/1/13 at 5:11

You should learn to go by the evidence, dumba$$. Evidence shows your man Barry is the instigator.

By: Ask01 on 3/1/13 at 5:58

Good morning Captain Nemo.

Your are correct. The Tea Baggers, in cahoots with the Republican Party will bear the blame for refusing to compromise on the tax issues.

Even the most mentally impaired will recognize the GOP desire to protect the rich led to this point.

I can easily see the party fading into insignificance shortly, except perhaps in some Southern states where the neanderthals still hold power.

By: HoundDog on 3/1/13 at 6:29

The Tea Party movement has achieved its apparent goal of paralyzing the government. Why they think this is a good thing is beyond me.

By: Loner on 3/1/13 at 6:30

Good morning, Nashville.

The Federal Office of Euphemisms has been working hard on this....the "Sequestration" is the "Fiscal Cliff" by another name....sort of....sequestration will be the automatic spending cuts called for in the fiscal cliff legislation....the automatic tax increases called for in the original legislation are not kicking in, however....the GOP stood their ground on the tax hikes, the Democrats caved on the spending cuts.

Bottom Line: the super rich will be spared any pain...the moderately rich will feel little pain, the middle class will feel it but the poor, the elderly, the kids and the sick will feel the most pain.

If we are ever going to get the national debt under control, spending cuts and tax increases will be necessary...they call it, "austerity"....and it's long overdue.

By: gdiafante on 3/1/13 at 6:39

The problem here is that this could have been avoided if the the voting public had NOT decided to keep the status quo. Regardless of side, this is essentially the same dysfunctional government as before, yet we're expecting them to suddenly work together.

Now, what was Einstein's definition of insanity again?

Who do I blame? Everyone. We deserve the mess we're in because we deserve the government we elected.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 7:03

By: yogiman on 3/1/13 at 5:11
You should learn to go by the evidence, dumba$$. Evidence shows your man Barry is the instigator.

My evidence;

By: yogiman on 1/26/13 at 3:13
dumba$$, you couldn't even pass a spelling test, let alone a test of intelligence.
Want to try one? Check on google or bing and take a test.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/26/13 at 3:33
I took the test yogi and a made a 100.

By: yogiman on 1/26/13 at 7:30
I feel so humiliated, dumba$$, to get beat by an idiot as ignorant as you.

Your own word says I am smarter than you, yogi.

By: yogiman on 3/1/13 at 7:06

So the GOP is guilty of the sequestration. Why did an Obama man chew Bob Woodward out for 30 minutes because Woodward issued facts showing Barry Obama initiated the sequestration?

Another point you Obama fans may want to look at: The senate is on the verge to give Obama unlimited power. Will that mean his dictatorship is just around the corner when he begins operating more by rule than executive orders?

Are they representing us, or are they representing Obama? A recent poll asked the questions: (1) Should Barack Obama be impeached; and (2) how would you describe your political opinions?

The answers: 1. Yes: 94.9%; No: 2.62%; Not Answered: 2.43%
2. Conservative: 64%; Liberal: 1.74%; Independent: 25.4%; Other: 6.26% Not Answered: 2.47%

By: yogiman on 3/1/13 at 7:10

I'm afraid you're proving yourself to be a dumba$$, dumba$$. I thought even a bumba$$ would see my joke when I "admitted" you was smarter than I.

Sorry, evidence shows the facts, dumba$$ and you ain't too bright.

By: gdiafante on 3/1/13 at 7:11

Why did an Obama man chew Bob Woodward out for 30 minutes because Woodward issued facts showing Barry Obama initiated the sequestration?

Oh, you mean this exchange:

Sperling: I apologize for raising my voice in our conversation today. I do understand your problems with a couple of our statements in the fall -- but feel on the other hand that you focus on a few specific trees that gives a very wrong perception of the forest. But perhaps we will just not see eye to eye here. But I do truly believe you should rethink your comment about saying saying that Potus asking for revenues is moving the goal post. I know you may not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim ... My apologies again for raising my voice on the call with you. Feel bad about that and truly apologize.

Woodward: Gene: You do not ever have to apologize to me. You get wound up because you are making your points and you believe them. This is all part of a serious discussion. I for one welcome a little heat; there should more given the importance. I also welcome your personal advice.

Wow...what a threat...LOL

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 7:12

Ask01 says, "Even the most mentally impaired will recognize the GOP desire to protect the rich led to this point."

This does not include yogi and his kin. Thus proving that he is by far the dumbest of them all.

By: Loner on 3/1/13 at 7:19

HoundDog, the Tea-Party is nothing more than the most extreme members of the Republican Party...the white supremacists....the gun-worshippers...the born-again bigot wing of the GOP. These are the same folks who are writing these Southern Revisionist History narratives that are going around....they believe things...for example, they believe that African Negro slavery was not the major cause of the Great Secession and the war that followed, ....they are a self-bullshitizing bunch....still carrying the torch for states rights and white supremacy.

Their goal is to break up the union of American states into Christian Fiefdoms....that and supporting apartheid Zionism in the Promised Land, so as to expedite the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus....who would rule the world as their king. Yeah, they are freakin' nuts...but they have money and political clout...and that's a scarey thing.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 7:19

By: yogiman on 3/1/13 at 7:10
I'm afraid you're proving yourself to be a dumba$$, dumba$$. I thought even a bumba$$ would see my joke when I "admitted" you was smarter than I.

Sorry, evidence shows the facts, dumba$$ and you ain't too bright.

A month after the fact the idiot says it was a joke. This only shows that you are so stupid that it takes you so long to find a come back. What did you do, get one of your farm animals to give you this?

No yogi, it is in print and now you will have to live with it.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 7:53

Eric Cantor Admits That He and Paul Ryan Were the Driving Force Behind the Sequester
http://www.politicususa.com/eric-cantor-admits-paul-ryan-driving-force-sequester.html

Cantor confirmed what everyone who isn’t a Republican or Bob Woodward already knew. Republicans wanted a deal solely on their terms. House Republicans are directly responsible for the sequester, because they are the ones who walked away from the “Grand Bargain.” It has long been reported that Boehner wanted to do the deal, but he backed out at the last moment. Ryan and Cantor were always the prime suspects in the killing of the best shot at a compromise, and now we know that the suspicions were accurate.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 7:54

The extreme members of the GOP don't care if they destroy the middle class in order to reach their goals.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 7:56

A majority of United States senators voted this afternoon to replace the sequester with a combination of revenue increases and spending cuts, but thanks to a Republican filibuster, the legislation was blocked. Fifty-one votes were cast in favor of the measure. (Among the 49 no votes was Harry Reid, who voted no for procedural reasons.)
A Republican proposal also failed, but that gained just 38 votes. Meanwhile, House Republicans have failed to pass anything during the current Congress to address the sequester.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/28/1190549/-Senate-Republicans-filibuster-Democratic-sequester-replacement

By: gdiafante on 3/1/13 at 7:58

Boehner has no backbone. That guy always comes close to a deal and then allows it to be torn apart, time and again. The GOP is a damn mess. But, like I said earlier, the people let them keep the House (though not by much) so it's our own fault.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 7:59

g, that is true. At least the people who vote for them are a dying breed so there is hope.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 8:00

In the meantime they are scrambling by trying to kill part of the Voting Rights Act and by gerrymandering. They're out numbered and they know it.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 8:08

Blanket comes out swing and delivers a knot out post. :-)

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 8:09

LOL - Good morning, Nemo. TGIF!

By: govskeptic on 3/1/13 at 8:09

Doesn't matter who is to blame, it's the only way any cuts at all are attempting to
be made to a bloated spending spree. Less than 2% and the sky will fall? Give
the public a break and let the nervous nellie's hide under their beds. My suggestion
as to the Military cuts be made by bring about 50% of all foreign based troops home.

By: gdiafante on 3/1/13 at 8:10

Well, as they say, if you can't beat 'em, stack the deck so you can.

By: gdiafante on 3/1/13 at 8:14

The public doesn't give a rat's ass, gov, unless they're directly affected. Meaning, most of Northern VA is pretty upset right now. The rest of the country, not so much. Unless you're speaking about how dysfunctional Congress is, then everyone is pretty pissed.

What we were hoping for was a long-term solution. But hey, on the bright side, we get to go through this a few more times a year now...whoopee.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 8:14

A 62% majority believe the deficit is getting bigger, 28% believe the deficit is staying roughly the same, and only 6% believe the deficit is shrinking.

In other words, in the midst of a major national debate over America's finances, 90% of Americans are wrong about the one basic detail that probably matters most in the conversation, while only 6% -- 6%! -- are correct.

For the record, last year, over President Obama's first four years, the deficit shrunk by about $300 billion. This year, the deficit is projected to be about $600 billion smaller than when the president took office. We are, in reality, currently seeing the fastest deficit reduction in several generations.

Read more here: http://thesunnews.typepad.com/a_different_world/2013/02/only-6-percent-of-americans-know-the-deficit-is-shrinking-at-fastest-pace-in-modern-american-history.html#storylink=cpy

By: Rasputin72 on 3/1/13 at 8:15

I think in the long tem "sequestration" will fade into oblivion. The demographics are in favor of the underclass and the uneducated and the wealth envy crowd. The birth rate of these classes should be enough to overwhelm any attempt by the teabaggers and the Republicans to put any interest in the long term future of the United States on the back burner.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 8:18

When someone says it doesn’t matter who is the blame, it often means that they suspect that it maybe the fault of their party.

I’m just saying.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 8:19

That's absolutely correct, Nemo.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 8:20

One thing that gets lost in the spin is that there is a difference between deficit spending and debt. Our deficit spending is declining however we are still bogged down in debt. We need tax reform to solve that issue.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 8:25

It is always the blame of the underclass. They should leave the wealthy like me to my ill-gotten gains and be proud of me. If we all are equal, then I could not boast that I am better.

Gary Pupon-

By: gdiafante on 3/1/13 at 8:28

You're right, blanket, without tax reform, we're chasing our tails. Of course, does anyone think that there's one person in Congress that would be able to draft a sensible tax solution, get bipartisan support and pass it in a timely fashion?

Yeah, me neither.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 8:30

I remember when you were nothing, raspy old boy. Your laziness would never let you be any usefulness to society. So if there is any money in your bank, it was made by someone else.

I know who you are.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 8:33

g, you are correct. Not only will it not happen in a timely fashion, it won't ever happen unless we restrict lobbying.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 8:51

Here's an interesting fact when it comes to Medicare spending:

We spend two or three times that much on durable medical devices like canes and wheelchairs, in part because a heavily lobbied Congress forces Medicare to pay 25% to 75% more for this equipment than it would cost at Walmart.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/enough-to-make-you-sick/

The healthcare industry is milking our aging citizens and Washington endorses it. That's where the money is going - it's not being lost through some unnecessary "entitlement."

By: makesense on 3/1/13 at 8:59

The republicans are to blame. They can't even say the word compromise, which is what democracy is all about. Cutting services to the poor while keeping tax loopholes for the rich is just wrong.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 9:11

Oh no, makesense has now angered the snot, Rasputin. Will the pompous want-a-be blast the new guy or will he be off to the putt-putt?

By: think on 3/1/13 at 9:26

This forum is exactly the reason that Congress has become entirely ineffective. Because the extreme liberals hate the conservatives, and the extreme conservatives hate the liberals, and extremists are the only ones who feel the need/have the time to post 30 times during a work day, the country has become more and more polarized into an us versus them mentality.

Both sides have been forced through pure competition to adopt stances that do not coincide with their fundamental beliefs. It is a circular argument, Republicans are anti-tax increases because the Democrats are so pro-spending, and the Democrats are so pro-tax increases because the Republicans are so anti-spending. The tragic thing is that both sides refuse to come to the middle because they have now defined their view of success to be opposite of the other party's. One party absolutely has to fail for any bill to make it through Congress.

My final challenge is to those who speak so hatefully of the far right. If you truly believe in a democratic process and the freedom to believe in what you wish, then you should really not be discriminating against and berating the tea party the time. Persecution and discrimination seem to be so much more prevalent these days going from left to right, as I see far more hateful, generalized statements aimed at conservative Christians than I see racist comments on these threads. I know we all wish that everyone was the exact same as us and agreed whole-heartedly with everything we say, but I feel like nothing could be further from the intentions of our republic.

Until we, individually and as a country, learn to respect the fact that we are not smarter than everyone else and admit that most political beliefs are based whole heartedly on values and not intelligence, how do we expect any better from our elected officials? I blame the American people for their hatefulness and arrogance, which is reflected in our leadership and responsible for the stalemate.

By: Loner on 3/1/13 at 9:38

Gov, your 8:09 post makes a lot of sense...the common ground is growing...was there a tectonic shift recently that I am not aware of?

The blame game is a distraction...the point is, IMO, that we do in fact need to cut spending and we do in fact need to increase tax revenues. The Democrats say, NO, to spending cuts and the GOP says, NO, to increasing tax revenues. The result is stalemate.

So, the only way to get the needed austerity going is by way of cruise-control legislation, like the one that created the Fiscal Cliff to begin with. Both major parties take cover under this mandatory aspect...."This is out of our control", they can claim....as they point fingers at the opposite political party.

Fiscal responsibility by way of cruise-control legislation...get used to it, folks....it's the next big thing.

But hey, if this turns out positively...say the US credit rating goes up, as a result of this sequestration, both major parties will be claiming the credit....a bunch of lousy actors and actresses.....it's just grand theater.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 9:45

Think about what you said, think, “Republicans or so anti-spending.” It was the Republicans that spent money on a senseless war in Iraq, with a tax cut on top of that. Think about it, with all that money going out and not worrying about how to pay for it.

You had me until that point.

By: gdiafante on 3/1/13 at 9:50

Poor Christian Conservatives, who have hijacked the GOP and driven it into the ground, forming the base of the Tea baggers, who ARE to blame for the current mess just as much as the dolts who voted back the house majority to the GOP.

This country is being inhibited by these backwards thinking zealots who wholeheartedly desire the America of the 1950's...or even the 1850's. If the far right didn't hijack the GOP, I'd bet that we'd already have a deal. They're the real problem.

And, think, you're wrong. The Dems are not against cuts, they're against certain cuts (entitlements). Just as the GOP isn't against tax increases, just certain ones (the wealthy). Get your story straight.

By: Loner on 3/1/13 at 9:51

Hey, Think....we need fresh input from the articulate right...please become a regular here.

BTW, I have the time to post here, because I am retired....I like this NCP site, because it is real time, relatively unfiltered, has a regular posting community that is not too large, nor too small...and diverse views are freely expressed here...and it's all free of charge.

Posting online keeps my brain's synapses firing on all eight cylinders...I'm old school...a 1947 model. I enjoy creative and expository writing, as a hobby; this site is my workshop of sorts.

I am pleased to make your internet acquaintance. We probably have differing views on many subjects , but share some common ground. I try to find the common ground...but sometimes, I too fall into the gutter of name-calling and unfairly questioning others motives from time to time.

But, I try to keep it civil....welcome to the jungle.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 9:56

Cruse control and asleep at the wheel, that sounds about right.

By: Loner on 3/1/13 at 10:07

Gdiafante wrote: "Poor Christian Conservatives, who have hijacked the GOP and driven it into the ground, forming the base of the Tea baggers, who ARE to blame for the current mess just as much as the dolts who voted back the house majority to the GOP. "

Hear! Hear! Or should I say, Here! Here!........in 1968, Tricky Dick Nixon had a plan; he would flip the Solid South, by blaming the Democrats in Washington for selling them out on the segregation business...the plan worked beautifully. The born-again Southern white supremacists flocked to the new grand old party...the party of Lincoln...it was a huge political shift...say what you will about the man, but Richard Nixon was a political genius. But, sadly, he was a flawed genius.

Today, some 45 years later, the long-term ramifications of Nixon's short-term political goals are becoming apparent.

Here's what happened: Secular Republicans started to leave the GOP at a rate that tracked the influx of the born-agains; and women left the Republican Party on a track that matched the Republican Party's record on Women's Rights. And people of color were not attracted to what they saw in the new GOP....it was the same old crap, in a new wrapper.

By: Loner on 3/1/13 at 10:14

Nixon infected the GOP with reptilian genes....the thing is a hideous draconian monster today....the miscreant GOP dragon is quite healthy....but his species is endangered.

Nevertheless, St. George should still remain on duty...just in case.

By: Loner on 3/1/13 at 10:24

Ted Cruz, the new Republican Tea-Bagger from Texas in the US Senate, is the new Joe MCarthy...even fiery John McCain told the newcomer to cool it. Senator Cruz is a grandstanding, Canadian-born, lawyer of Hispanic descent....he's smarter than Joe McCarthy, that's the scarey part....and he has a growing following.

Here's a great backgrounder on Cruz:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/opinion/sunday/ted-cruz-the-gops-nasty-newcomer.html?_r=0

Cruz is the poster boy for what Tricky Dick wrought. The GOP is now the party of hate.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/1/13 at 10:38

Grounded Out Putrid GOP

By: pswindle on 3/1/13 at 10:51

All you have to do is to listen to the over the top comment from Paul of KY. He as a Tea Party member wants to destroy America and replace it with nothing.

By: brrrrk on 3/1/13 at 11:40

gdiafante said

"The problem here is that this could have been avoided if the the voting public had NOT decided to keep the status quo. Regardless of side, this is essentially the same dysfunctional government as before, yet we're expecting them to suddenly work together.

Now, what was Einstein's definition of insanity again?

Who do I blame? Everyone. We deserve the mess we're in because we deserve the government we elected."

Sorry, but I don't agree with this at all. During the last election, Democratic house candidates received over a million more votes than Republican candidates. Clearly the electorate wanted a change. If not for the aggressive measures taken by Republican controlled state legislatures to gerrymander districts after the last census, the house would have likely rolled over to Democratic control.

By: budlight on 3/1/13 at 12:17

Following up on Lew, I'm gonna get in trouble for this, but here it is:

Jack Lewoff
Lew in the Box (new fast food)
See Lew Later
Lew news at eleven
Lew shoes
Lew enforcement officer
If Lew only knew

Lew, lew, lew, I'm in love with lew, lew, lew; there's no one like lew, lew, lew, lew can make my dreams come true.

True Lew

Oh well, I should get back to cleaning my house. A yard guy came to help me with shrubs/plants, etc., on Tues; he ending up in the ER when he cut his finger - badly. It was scarey, but he's back on the job. He's a U.S. Citizen doing the job that Mexican's won't do -- ie, working for ME! I'm a major task master and allow no breaks. Once a lady I hired to clean my home had my t.v. on "listening" to it. I fired her on the spot cause I don't allow t.v. when I'm paying by the hour. Ohhhhh! I'm bad.

By: budlight on 3/1/13 at 12:31

By: Blanketnazi2 on 3/1/13 at 8:51
Here's an interesting fact when it comes to Medicare spending:

We spend two or three times that much on durable medical devices like canes and wheelchairs, in part because a heavily lobbied Congress forces Medicare to pay 25% to 75% more for this equipment than it would cost at Walmart.

Blanket, the surgeon at V'bilt offered for me to have a complete double mastectomy and then reconstructive surgery. To me that is extremely expensive, extremely risky and extremely unnecessary. I chose to have "conservation" surgery. Less expensive and time consuming and definitely less risky. I agree with you that Costs are sky high and no one is trying to be conservative. Well, not no one. I am and I'm sure others are as conscientious as I am.

Besides that, there is a humorous side to this (remember I have dry humor inherited from my mother): When I told her once that "our family has not had in deaths in years" she laughed and said 'well when we go, we're gonna start dropping like flies" and she was right.

But for me, I said to my husband and doctor, "I don't wanna have the top of me to be all new and perky like a 25 year old, while the bottom half is sagging, dragging and 66! Good grief! To match, I'd have to have vericose vein surgery, a tummy tuck, fannie lift and bunions removed (not to mention a face lift to get totally tuned up).

LOL. No thanks.
Actually, I'm so verbose today and off the subject cause . . . . . Oh gee that's how I am all the time. Who am I kidding?