Up for Debate: Short-term convention

Tuesday, August 28, 2012 at 1:12am

Do you think the shortened length of the Republican National Convention will hurt the party and Mitt Romney's causes? Or if a potential Hurricane Isaac decides to batter New Orleans while Republicans are dropping balloons in Tampa does that hurt the Republicans' efforts? Lastly, do political conventions still make a difference?

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By: Ummm... on 8/28/12 at 4:26

The Teapublicans are having a convention?

By: dargent7 on 8/28/12 at 5:02

Didn't the same disaster happen to McSame in Minn. in 2008?
Republican bad karma.
Mittens will still get the nomination.
These Conventions are all pomp and circumcision.
I caught Hannity's interview with the Bobble-Head Twins, Bachmann and Palin.
Both still don't know they're losers.
I'm more worried about Isaac hitting La. and New Orleans.
The best news was Dee Snider of "Twisted Sister" forbade them for using, "We're Not Going To Take It" as their theme song.(!)
AC/DC's, "Hell's Bells" is still available.
What a group of idiots.

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 5:12

If NO gets nailed, it will be hard for most to stomach all the pomp and circumstance in Tampa while a major U.S. city faces disaster. And yes, all you posters who are so worried about equal criticism, I'd say the same about the Dems.

Conventions, in general, are past their prime. I stopped watching years ago. They're predictable. Not much going off point, the RNC/DNC issues the talking points/platform and that's what they shove down your throat. And the sheep, I mean delegates, applaud right when they're supposed to. A broadway show isn't staged as well.

If it were up to me, I'd throw out conventions with the dishwater...and the candidates to boot.

By: Rasputin72 on 8/28/12 at 5:41

This convention for the most part is a superfluous exercise. This was a big deal in the days before internet computers and instant information. The candidates have already been chosen and the majority of Americans will make their wishes known bigtime in November.

The American majority wants "free stuff"

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 5:54

Everybody wants some...I want some too...everybody needs some, how 'bout you?

-Van Halen

By: parnell3rd on 8/28/12 at 6:10

More Charlie Brown teacher talk on both parties, blah,blah,blah. The winner will be who lies the best and raises the most money. In 2008 it was Obama.
Republicans will not attack Democrats because "they are above that kind of talk" while Democrats will still say stupid stuff to prove their still stupid. MSLSD will show blabbermouth Shultz and we all feel better about ourselves.....
Either way we are screwed. Does not matter who is in power. We are headed towards Europeon decline times 100.

By: Rasputin72 on 8/28/12 at 6:22

Parnell3rd.........Try telling that story to those who will vote for Obama strictly because he has a platform of "free stuff" for them.

The "free stuff" people think that their problems can be solved by taxing 1% of the families in this country more. I assume that this means that mathmatics are only an afterthought in the public schools of the United States.

I would bet that every 7th grader at Franklin Road Academy,Harding Academy,Oak Hill and Ensworth could with the equation put before them come up with the answer of IMPOSSIBLE.

By: treehugger7 on 8/28/12 at 6:24

Too bad the hurricane can't change course and hit Tampa anyway. As a born and bred Floridian, I could have told them not to have the convention in summer in Florida. Any one in their right mind knows that. Oh, sorry, I forgot it's the repubs--no right mind there....I wonder how many pat downs are happening as they leave the area? Hope they enjoy 'em!

By: dargent7 on 8/28/12 at 6:36

The Teapubs are searching frantically for a theme song.
Remember Clinton's Fleetwood Mac's, "Don't Stop..."
Any ideas?
I'd recommend their gun hero's Ted Nugent's, "Stranglehold" or "Cat Scratch Fever"...anything that demeans women, the Republican way.

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 6:43

Stifle your whining, Rasp. Neither candidate has a sustainable tax policy.

Romney: reduce or eliminate taxes most of us pay; extend all Bush tax cuts; reduce individual income tax rates by 1/5 across the board; eliminate capital-gains taxes for most and keep current rates for high incomes; end the estate tax; repeal the alternative minimum tax; elimate Obamacare tax (mandate).

He says he will offset the huge revenue losses dollar for dollar. Sound too good to be true? Yep. Why? He can't say how he'd do it without increasing the debt because he can't, it's mathematically impossible.

Obama: extend Bush Tax Cuts for those under 250K; increase top tax rate to 39.6% from 35; end tax break for hedge fund and private equity managers; institute Buffett Rule.

The Buffett Rule would only affect about 450K. Even doubling the rate would only bring in about $190 billion a year, far short of the $4 trillion over 10 years that we need just to keep the debt sustainable.

By: govskeptic on 8/28/12 at 6:49

Just the mention of New Orleans being hit by even a large rain storm would
give the TV media and the Re-election committee tingles up their legs, as they
never wanted to give Romany any Prime Time Attention anyway. Now, that
is the possibility the talking heads are trying to stifle any speeches that
might criticize the sorry performance and Presidency of "The One".

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 6:51

I would suggest they use "Liar" by the Rollins Band. In fact, that could be America's de facto theme song for politics in general.

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 6:54

Are all Conservatives this whiny or does the NCP do something to these twits?

Waaaa...media bias....waaaa...free things....waaaaaa....

Grow the F up, children.

A hurricane hitting New Orleans IS more important than a candidate's speech and corporate welfare is still welfare. Get over it.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/28/12 at 6:54

I think the GOP will do it to themselves.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/28/12 at 6:55

Troll Talk;

The American majority wants "free stuff"

Republicans will not attack Democrats because "they are above that kind of talk" while Democrats will still say stupid stuff to prove their still stupid.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/28/12 at 7:16

Talk about not living in the real world, I think p3 is starting to out do yogi, with "Republicans will not attack Democrats because "they are above that kind of talk" while Democrats will still say stupid stuff to prove their still stupid"

The Republicans have mastered the attack on Democrats to a fine art. When the GOP’s warts start to show, the attack ads commences.

By: Rasputin72 on 8/28/12 at 7:53

My good Captain..........No, you are wrong about P3. He has an opinion that is different from yours. He wants you to be responsible for your financial future. He does not think he should be held responsible for any failing that you may have. He probably thinks he should be held responsible for any failing he may have.

If that is true that is a far cry from what the majority of Obama voters want. They want P3 and others like him to pay for their failures and ineptitude.

By: yogiman on 8/28/12 at 7:57

You talk about the "freebie" receivers, Rasputin72, what's going to take shape when the "receivers" hit that 51% mark and continues to grow? And that isn't just American recipients.

When "rebates" given to illegal aliens who don't pay any taxes reaches the point, the USA is on its way out the door.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/28/12 at 8:07

The whine goes on and Rasputin is leading the band. The Republican s want attack the Democrats, Rasputin if you think that is true, then you are no better.

It is not about a difference of opinion, just look what the GOP has done to themselves in the past year. Rasputin you remind me of the Iraqi Officer that stood in front of the TV camera after we entered Baghdad and said that the US had been stopped

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 8:08

Illegals pay taxes, idiot. They may get paid under the table, but they pay sales tax, property tax, gas tax, etc.

And we all know that legal American citizens would never get paid under the table (they only like to pay illegals that way).

Again, all this whining about who pays taxes doesn't solve any issue. Unemployment will still be high, debt will still be overbearing, the housing market will still be depressed, health care costs will still be rising and these bozos will still be trying to squeeze blood from a turnip.

No wonder this country is circling the drain...

By: Captain Nemo on 8/28/12 at 8:20

I am beginning to think that all that the Republicans have to offer on this site is Shut-ins like Rasputin, p3 and yogi. They have nothing to present as facts, but only superstitions and lies.

By: dargent7 on 8/28/12 at 8:27

I like the Three Dog Night version of "Liar".
That'll work nicely.

By: dargent7 on 8/28/12 at 8:29

Also, yeah, a Category 1 Hurricane with storm surges up to 12 feet taking a direct hit on New Orleans, 7 years after Katrina, will just be a "liberal media conspiracy".
Like we all really have to hear what Ms. Romney has to say tonight.

By: Rasputin72 on 8/28/12 at 8:32

gdiafante..........The country is circling the drain all right. Democracy at work when people can get elected for promising a "chicken in every pot" Circling the drain when a democracy of both democrats & republicans over the years eliminate the ballast of a democracy. The middle class was large enough to be the conscience and balance between the wealthy and the lower class. The middle class is hanging on for dear life and many of them are taking on the same personality of the lower class. I could hardly blame them but it is not the fault of the 1%. I think it is far too late but the cause lies in Washington D.C. and it is not confined to just one party. No other fraternity offers so much as our house and our senate representatives.. Once these people taste the spoils of their victories back home they will sell their souls and the soul of this country to stay in officde.

By: yogiman on 8/28/12 at 8:35


What's the difference between the Republicans complaining about the Democrats and the Democrats complaining about the Republicans? Names and words only.

It's like you posters on this site saying I''m right and you are wrong. The biggest difference is I know I'm right and regretfully you don't know when you're wrong.

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 8:36

The middle class is hanging on for dear life and many of them are taking on the same personality of the lower class. I could hardly blame them but it is not the fault of the 1%.

The system in place (supply-side economics) is based upon the proposition that if the government redistributes wealth to the 1%, they in turn will pay it forward, which grows the economy.

So what you're really saying is that this doesn't work. I can only think of one statement that would sufficiently express my sentiment:

No sh!t, Sherlock

By: Rasputin72 on 8/28/12 at 8:44

My good Captain........You do not know diddely and you do not know squat. Therefore you do not know diddely squat. I think you qualify as a vital part of the "new" majority of Americans.

In the meantime,there are those that are living their lives in CAMELOT. I will join a few of them this evening for martinis and dinner. No matter how hard we try the conversation will gravitate to "Do you know anyone that is voting for Obama" We will all say, No, but I don't think we run into those people in our everyday lives. Someone else will say, "We are truly blessed." Another will say, "Amen to that"

By: BenDover on 8/28/12 at 8:46

The question is will it be an opportunity for the media to offer 'evidence' that Republicans are heartless racists, again. If they get the slightest bit of traction on the issue expect another huge pile-on.

By: yogiman on 8/28/12 at 8:46

I agree, Rasputin72, our problem isn't the government as a whole that's our problem, it's congress.

Why would anyone pay millions to win a two year term in the House? I believe there should be term limits in the House and Senate and limits from where they can accept campaign donations.

I've read an interesting article recently by Newt Gingrich about the Supreme Court taking over the meaning of the Constitution.

He pointed out they are unelected to office but a decision can be determined by one judge's decision. Just thinking about that is alarming.

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 8:49

But I will give credit to Raspy, he seems to understand that there is an entire class of people in the United States that are being screwed.

And as far as the taking on the personality of the lower class remark, I can only speak for myself. I am one of the millions who watched the value of their home decrease substantially due to no fault of my own. I then witnessed those who acted irresponsibly (government, banks, people who couldn't afford their mortgages) get bailed out time and again.

I listen to everyone tell me about how they understand my pain and that something needs to be done, only to not qualify for any program because I have the audacity to pay my mortgage on time or I am too successful and earn too much money. I may be fortunate, but that doesn't change the fact that I've lost value in my most valuable asset.

So, I sit by and watch what was my biggest investment go down in flames while people all around me have it handed to them on a silver platter (lower class and the 1%). Now, I'm supposed to buy in to an idea that the ones who caused the problem are the only ones that can solve it.

Once bitten, twice shy. No offense, but they can go to hell and so can anyone who's naive enough to buy that line.

This is why I'm seriously considering sitting out this election. Neither party or person is going to help the middle class.


By: Rasputin72 on 8/28/12 at 8:50

Gdiafante........You obviously wanted to blame the Republicans so I assume that is why you left out the rest of my post.

For your middle class guidance the middle class has been losing ground slowly but surely since the mid 1950's . This includes Kennedys,Johnsons,Carters,Clinton and Obama reigns. Each a democrat. This problem is not centered around Republican policy alone. Each party has worked very hard to destroy the middle class.

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 8:54

Yogi, judicial review at that level has been in effect since Marbury v Madison. The Supreme Court is not the end-all, be-all regarding the Constitution. But it does require Congress, along with the American people, to get their act together.

Well, in that case, the adulterous one may have a point...

By: Rasputin72 on 8/28/12 at 8:55

Gdiafante.......Your second third fourth and final paragraph should be published in the New York Times on the front page. No one has said it better from the vantage point of middle class America.

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 8:56

No, I think I made it perfectly clear in that post and others that I blame both parties. In case you had trouble comprehending it, I was agreeing with you and praising the fact that despite your let them eat cake rhetoric, you understand the fundamental problem.

We just disagree in how to solve it.

By: yogiman on 8/28/12 at 9:01

I understand that movie is one helluva blowout, govskeptic. I saw the guy that wrote the book that movie was based on talking about it earlier. I understand its a wham bang.

There is another book on Obama called "Dreams from My Real Father". It's been put on a CD and makes you shake your head how congress (especially the Senate) would let such an unknown take that office.

By: Rasputin72 on 8/28/12 at 9:08

Gdiafante.....I, like you know that there is some very seriously wrong with the superstructure of the United States. I am not sure that it can be solved using a democracy format. The diversity of opinion in this country has never in the history had so many arteries. Is the United States becoming a country of "tribes"? Could this country stand if it became totally socialistic? Could this country stand if all welfare and social programs were eliminated? Could North America stand if the country were divided into four different polictical climates.?

I hardly think so!

By: pswindle on 8/28/12 at 9:15

I just can't watch much of Mitt. If he is asked a question that he does not like, he puts this s---grin on his face or say, "I do not remember." His sissy walk and talk are too much. If he talks and acts like a crook, he is a crook. What if President Obama told the public, just trust me, my taxes are just fine, I've always paid at least 13%? Give me a break, Mitt still thinks that the average person is stupid.

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 9:15

If you want to buy into conspiracy theories, Raspy, then you could certainly make the argument that certain government agencies are stockpiling ammunition as a result of the very real possibility that Congress will not come to agreement about the spending cuts and there will be significant cuts. People aren't going to be happy about that.

Entitlements are too engrained into our society that even the mention of reform sends some into a frenzy. That's part of the problem. Weak-minded politicians that care more about re-election than doing the right thing (which would require someone to tell the American people that we need to come together and all make sacrifices to right this ship).

By: yogiman on 8/28/12 at 9:16


Can you remember any time when Congress overrode a Supreme Court decision in the last 50 years even when it was questioned like Roe v Wade?

Does the Supreme Court have the Constitutional authority to find murder by abortion legal?

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 9:20

Yogi, just because they haven't done it doesn't mean that isn't a tool they can use. There's already a grassroot campaign to have a constitutional amendment reversing Citizens United. Will it work? Probably not, but it's not like once the USSC rules it isn't reversible.

People just have to have the fortitude to get it done.

By: yogiman on 8/28/12 at 9:23


Mitt might only think the average person is stupid, but Barry knows it. How can a reasonably intelligent person vote to put a man to the highest office in their nation with his thumb over that "red button" whom they don't even know?

I'm still wondering, how many idiots live in the USA?

By: yogiman on 8/28/12 at 9:26

I understand your saying the tool is there, gdiafante, it just seems congress doesn't know how to turn that "screw driver" to back the screw out. It might hurt their career.

By: yogiman on 8/28/12 at 9:29

There's a difference in a Constitutional Amendment and a congressional ruling on a decision the Supreme Court made, gdiafante.

By: dargent7 on 8/28/12 at 9:44

My God, people. The whole downward spiral for the USA started when Bush Sr. invaded Iraq in 1991. Vietnam wasn't enough for this dunce to know invading foreign countries, different cultures, has disasterous consequences.
Then 9/11 happened, and Bush, Jr., a comple idiot, invaded Iraq in 2003.
Their hard-on for Iraq is legendary. Stuck there for 20 years, Republican dolts like McCain say we left too early. 20 years is too early?
Throw in Afghanistan. Add in a $695 billion a year military budget that no Republican will touch.
It will hit 1.0 trillion if Romney's elected. Romney will have to show cahones by bombing Iran. Then, we'll be in 3 Mid-Eastern countries that hate our living guts.
Close Planned Parenthood. Cut welfare, unemployment benefits, and Foodstamps.
Who will survive under a Romney admin.? Rich people, the wealthy. That idiot would let GM "fail". America's flagship car manufacturer, employing a million worldwide. Just replicating his Bain Capital agenda: "I enjoy firing people".
The middle class cannot survive on his, "I'll create jobs" at McDonalds philosophy.

By: Mike Burch on 8/28/12 at 9:47

Isaac was the child of promise. Perhaps God was expressing his displeasure with the GOP's obvious intention to make the rich even richer, by causing poor children and their parents to suffer.

Jesus dispensed healthcare for free, but the wealthiest, greediest Americans want to reduce their taxes to less than 1%, by eliminating taxes on the main sources of their income: capital gains, interest and dividends.

It seems the Good Lord is not impressed.


By: brrrrk on 8/28/12 at 9:51

I said it before and I'll say it again, Rasp is a Tory; one of the original elitists.

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 9:55

Darge, didn't you say you're voting for Romney the other day??

By: gdiafante on 8/28/12 at 9:58

In Jesus defense, he had the power to cure any disease...it didn't require any capital or labor...i.e. it was free.

He also said to render that unto Caesar which is Caesar's, not seek offshore safe havens...

By: slacker on 8/28/12 at 10:04

brrrrk.. Rasp. is probably a lonely retired Ford glass plant employee, living in ''The Nations,'' on his SS check, and company pension. He's now goggling ''Tory'' for a definition.

By: govskeptic on 8/28/12 at 10:14

Rev Burch: Not to worry the tax reduction of Capital gains, interest, and dividends
under Mitt Romney's proposal is for those making less than
$250,000 dollars annually. Those taxes would remain exactly
the same as now on folks like himself, Warren Buffet and yourself.
This encourages investment by lower wage earners without tax
consequences, but does tax those same dollars on those in the
large wealth arena. Very sensible plan.