Up for Debate: A sit down with the mayor

Monday, May 7, 2012 at 12:58am

Let's hear your breakdown of Mayor Karl Dean's responses to the pressing issues at hand.

Filed under: City Voices

76 Comments on this post:

By: Captain Nemo on 5/6/12 at 11:21

I tired to read this but for some reason I could not get the link.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/6/12 at 11:25

By: yogiman on 5/4/12 at 12:23

I can only presume the vast majority of the posters on this site are Democrats who think the democratic party is so superior to the Republicans in their role of supporting the nation.
I don’t think that the Democratic Party is any better in the roll of supporting the Nation than the Republican Party.

However, I do think that the Neocons/Tea Part has made the GOP an insipid machine of revulsion against anything different. Yogi you are a first-class example a cog in that apparatus.

By: Ask01 on 5/7/12 at 3:59

Mayor Dean is using the same tired tactic politicians have always fallen back on when they've spent themselves into a corner. They theaten cuts to services and program they know will likely generate fear and concern to force support.

Maybe we should have taken care of all these issues before we committed so much to building a facility to further private enterprise in the form of the MCC.

Perhaps we should have addressed the basic needs first, then Mayor Dean could have asked for tax increases to fund pet projects and 'nice to have' items.

Mayor Bredesen employed the same tactic with the stadium, but to his credit and Mayor Dean's lasting shame, Bredesen at least allowed a referendum so Nashville could only blame themselves.

You bought the cow Nashville, now we all have to deal with the issue.,

By: bfra on 5/7/12 at 4:15

Ask01 - Very good response! I say: Let our overpaid politicians take a salary cut to make up Karl's overspending short fall.

By: dargent7 on 5/7/12 at 5:36

All these attacks on Mayor Karl Dean....
The guy rides the bus, bikes to work, sets up bike routes with bike stalls, runs in half marathons.
The new Music City Convention Center with ajoining Omni hotel will create 1,000 permanent jobs. The convention business in Nashville will quadruple, spilling over to Broadway's bars and businesses.
Guy's effective, great for Nashiville, ...a genius.

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 5:44

Good morning,Nashville.

The link provided does not work...Is this the link to the story?:


I read that article...your Mayor is a slick talker and he may be suffering from chronic self-bullshitization.

Dean smugly asserts that "not a single cent" of taxpayer's money has gone into the white elephant project, (AKA: the half-billion dollar MCC). What he does not mention is the tax revenues that have been foregone in this and other sweetheart deals in the Nashville area....taxpayers will be forced to make up the shortfall. It's the old shell game, folks.

Dean supported Vanderbilt in its decision to scrap the "all-comers" concept....he believes that homophobia at a leading TN center of higher learning is basically none of his business...or anyone else's business, for that matter......Dean reminds me of those porcelain, knick-knack monkeys ....he sees no evil, he hears no evil and he speaks no evil.

Mayor Dean, like Governor Haslam, believes in a business-friendly environment....for these Tea Party boys, business-friendly = worker unfriendly. Union-busting is their top priority.

The rest of the nation is progressing, the Volunteer State is regressing....now, Creation Science in the public schools is getting official sanction from the TN legislature. Not much has changed in TN since the Scopes Monkey trial of 1925.

The state of TN has banned local governments from expanding the minimum protections afforded by the Civil Rights Act. GLBT types are not welcome in the Volunteer state or in its capital city. Conservative, Christian white folks are welcome, however....it's the demographics thing.

Sixteen states and the DC have legalized medical marijuana...18 more have proposals to legalize the organic medicine on their agendas for 2012. Mayor Dean, however, wants more cops, so he can bust more people for growing or possessing Cannabis. Once again, he leads the march backwards in time....and he needs your financial support to keep the reverse march going.

You folks asked for this guy...you got him....enjoy!

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 5:52

Darge is applying for one those "1,000 jobs", right here...online? Hey, if you can't beat 'em, join em.

Mayor Dean, if yo are reading these comments, please hire Dargent 7, he's thinking about leaving the Volunteer State...give him a good reason to stay...put him on the payroll....he's a smart and talented guy...an asset to the community.

By: dargent7 on 5/7/12 at 6:00

From what I've read, the tax increase is 0.53 cents. I've also read it comes out to $200. a year. So, what?
Tenn. has no state income tax, so to pay for social services, Fire, Police, EMS, garbage,recycling, money has to come from somewhere.
This is the cheapest state I've ever lived in. And I'ved lived (and been thrown out) of about 12.

By: bfra on 5/7/12 at 6:03

Loner - Your comment is spot on, except for the cannabis part. I and most everybody I know could care less what they do about this. If you want to use it ok, if not ok, but it doesn't rule the way I vote on important issues.

By: govskeptic on 5/7/12 at 6:19

Often hear new words that don't mean much or just not interesting enough
to pursue for more than a moments though. Today, however, Loner has
thrown out a worthy one: "self-bullshitization." Of course, spell check
threw up a red line, but it needed adding to said dictionary! Very well
describes our Mayor (Bloomberg want-a-be) and our President (Saul
Alinsky devotee) very well!

By: Moonglow1 on 5/7/12 at 6:33

Moonglow1: Mayor Dean should now reconsider the tax break he just gave to HCA Hospital Corp. I don't mind contributing my share as long as corporate welfare ends. With HCA stock prices up and executive pay and stock options soaring into the stratosphere, perhaps it's time for them to kick in some cash to help our city.

By: slacker on 5/7/12 at 6:34

Dean has the votes on the council to pass his tax increase, its gonna happen.
They'll be the usual drama from the Mayor and council, of how we struggled with the tax increase issue, many sleepless nights, but for the good of the city, we made the tough choices, on spending other people's money. When you write that property tax check out this year, remember you can now have chickens in your backyard, compliments of our city leaders.

By: Kosh III on 5/7/12 at 6:47

"The convention business in Nashville will quadruple, spilling over to Broadway's bars and businesses"

Great! more jobs for illegal aliens as cooks, waiters, hotel maids and more.
How about something that will spill into the rest of Nashville? Doesn't Antioch need help? Madison? Bellshire?

I will keep an open mind on the tax until I can see the capital expenditures budget. Maybe there will be something for someone besides the tourists and the elites.

By: Moonglow1 on 5/7/12 at 7:01

Moonglow1: I wonder if the Preds will win tonight? Our goal should have counted in Friday's game.
Does anyone know why Bridgestone Arena is not turning a profit in spite of record attendance? Was it because of the crooks who owned Sommet Group? I think several were charged with fraud. Our "leaders" should make better decisions and provide better oversight of contracts. However, Wonder Boy Haslam wants the procurement process to be secretive instead of transparent even though contracts are funded with tax $$$$. Chickens in our backyards and chickens in the governors mansion and on Legislative Plaza.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/7/12 at 7:11

I have been an officer of a Fortune 500 company. I have been an entrepreneur employing lots of people with lots of expenses.

It is my opinion that you do not have to be very smart to balance a budget when you can control the revenue (as in a tax increase) You do have to be very smart to balance a budget when you have no control over the revenue.

Karl Dean and his buddies are taking the easy route. JUST RAISE TAXES!

For the umpteenth time I urge the those with children and a modest income and great pride to get out of this county (Davidson)

By: parnell3rd on 5/7/12 at 7:12

And he keeps giving tax breaks to big business, he's grooming himself for a job in DC.
D7 "$200 a year, so what?" You can pay my extra taxes.
Here is the real reason for the property tax hike that does not equally effect every resident in Davidson County.
When Nashville accepted "Stimulas money" from DC and hired more police and firemen, etc., if Nashville does not keep those people on the payroll, then the City has to pay the Stimulas money back to the Fed. Govt.
This is what happens when you make deal's with the devil and when we keep voting in liberal politicians into office.

By: Moonglow1 on 5/7/12 at 7:27

Moonglow1: Parnell, you must mean liberal politicians should not give huge tax breaks to for profit public companies like HCA and then expect the public to ante up.

By: dargent7 on 5/7/12 at 7:46

Fellas: When I read the tax hike is 0.53 cents...is that true?
When your house catches fire, who you going to call to put it out?
Like your garbage taken away every week?
Have a home-invasion at 2:30am...want to call 9-11 or your mother?
Try living in 50 other major cities and experience what their cost of living is and tax rates are.
Nashville is CHEAP.

By: pandabear on 5/7/12 at 7:54

Told ya.

Fought like crazy to kill the "convention center", but 'smarter heads' prevailed.
Told you over and over that convention centers have been losing money
nationally for over 14 years. I did the research.
We asked "How are you going to pay for this" ?
e pointed out that is was clear as day that Karl would stick
the residents of Nashville with it the cost.
All we got for that was silence.

It should now be known to everyone as
"The extension of Karl Dean's ego".

Do you see now why "English First" was killed ?
Does cheap labor mean more income for the rich ?
Do you see why it's so hard to get a straight answer to
who they've hired for this financial burden on Nashville ?

When you vote for the rich to represent you, why are you surprised
when they do things in their interest and not yours ?

When the gas crisis was here a couple years back, there was
one company that reached $5 while most others where hovering
around $4. The owner of that company has successfully eliminated
the inheritance tax by joining it with a "25 cents for every hundred
dollar spent" tax reduction for 'the rest of us'.

Bill Haslam is his name and greed and corruption is his game.
Oh, and at $5 he also has the worst gas quality rating in the state,
so do you really get what you pay for, or do you just pay what you pay
and get what you get.

The rich want a land of sheeps and goats and non thinkers
who are easily influenced by the TV's, papers and media that they

Why do you think Bill Haslam has stated that he would quickly end
gun permits if it came across his desk ?

Is he a bad man ? I don't think so. I think he's got
'rich man's disease. I guess Karl's got "I need a legacy" disease.
I like to think I've got "I love my country disease".

Please think before you vote. Your children will thank you.
They won't thank you for the "ego center" or $5+ gas.

By: jvh2b on 5/7/12 at 8:06

Ask & Panda- Try READING the article first...THEN commenting. Otherwise you look foolish. Not one DIME of the property tax money went into the MCC. Oh yeah, and it's BOOKED for 2 years following it's opening. Yeah not gonna make a dime there given new hotels opening, taxes on the rooms etc....*eye roll*

Loner- I rarely disagree with you, but this is one of those times. Dean and Haslam are NOTHING alike. Dean is a very smart man, and has a spine. He has publicly backed the Metro non-discrimination bill and even supported the non-discrimination bill that would also have metro contractors have a non-disc policy. He's right about Vandy - it's a private institution and can do what it wants, and the state has no right to put it's nose there (at least given the issue).

Business friendly is capitalism at work people. I'm gonna take the right side of the isle here and say if you don't like it...China is waiting. Don't get twisted though - I'm pro business regulation.

Businesses bring jobs, employ people who buy good, buy homes, and generate sales revenue. Giving them tax breaks usually ends up keeping our tax rates down.
This isn't rocket science...it's basic economics...oh wait...I forget it's still TN schools....

By: slacker on 5/7/12 at 8:09

From the leaders who brought you a park with a climbing wall for children to climb, and fall off of, and then sue the city for damages. Our own deep-thinking city planners.

Also brought you a water park, (your taxes paid for it) and then gave tax breaks to a private business to compete against it.

By: pandabear on 5/7/12 at 8:13

jvh2b and everyone here:

They patrol here like sharks. Do you see it ?
Tax money is tax money folks.
Saying 'Not one DIME of the property tax money ...'
is the fast shuffle.

Please think before you vote. These guys are ruthless.

By: Moonglow1 on 5/7/12 at 8:18

Moonglow1: I remember the opposition when Bredesen brought Bud Adams and the Titans to town. I think sports has done good for our city. And I am for the Convention Center. I am not for corporate welfare so if I were Dean I would be very careful about supporting these corporate welfare deals while at the same time asking the residents to pay up. That is my major concern here: business benefts so they need to pay their fair share.

By: slacker on 5/7/12 at 8:26

Moonglow1, I think the city has been good to professional sports. The owners & players are reaping the profits, and the taxpayer subsidizes the difference. I'm a sports fan but that is the reality.

By: jvh2b on 5/7/12 at 8:38

Panda - HA..that's rich...trying to paint me as a paid poster, when I've been here for years, and yet somehow never seen you on here...hmmmm.

Amazing what comes out from under the rocks when taxes are talked about.

And no...not really on the taxes. If hotel tax revenue paid for it, then I didn't pay a dime towards it.

If your talking about raising taxes for the services they pay for, then bringing in a service not paid for by the taxes as 'proof' they don't need to be raised, is just plain stupid.

Course I'm not sure why logic would have any effect on people who can't read before they comment anyways....

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 8:42

Thank you Govskeptic, for the accolades....I like to coin a word when it's called for....you may go ahead and use it, if you choose...it's now in the vernacular......and thank you Bfra for the kind word....Cannabis is not my primary area of concern, but TN is bucking the national trend on that, so I threw that in...for texture.

Jvh2b, it's OK to disagree and still maintain civility and dialogue, as you just demonstrated...I just thought that those two, Haslam & Dean, have much in common, despite their differences in leadership style and personalities.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 8:49

Still looking to ditch my house in the Davidson suburbs for something in Williamson; but the condo deal has turned out pretty sweet. The tax increase will hurt the value of the suburban abode forcing more families who can afford it to the surrounding counties where the value for their tax investment pays off a bit better; but that nice view of Cumberland Park more than offsets the extra cost at the Condo. The convention center is nothing but good news to make the SoBro area more vibrant... we re-upped with the Preds for another 5 years I think... Titans won't be going anywhere soon. .

I really wish you guys would get off your tushes and build me a baseball park for the Sounds though. This constant din of b*tching about the taxes is getting quite annoying.

By: slacker on 5/7/12 at 9:00

Ben, I'm thinking you'll be able to watch the action in the new baseball stadium, from your patio. We'll get on it, as soon as we get this messy tax increase out of the way.
Also working on a new cage for the ''Bum fights''

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 9:11

Enough of this trivial crap about Nashville/Tennessee governance...here is some topical and relevant news from the Fair & Balanced people:

Dinosaurs farted their way to extinction, British scientists say


The researchers calculated that the prehistoric beasts pumped out more than 520 million tons (472 million tonnes) of methane a year -- enough to warm the planet and hasten their own eventual demise. Until now, an asteroid strike and volcanic activity around 65 million years ago had seemed the most likely cause of their extinction.

How much methane do 7.2 billion human beings expel in a year?

I Googled it.


According to this site,: "the average human farts 30 times a day (whether we admit it or not) and the average fart is 25cc, so that’s 750cc of fart per person per day."

Let's do the math (do the meth?...as in methane)....750cc times 7.2 billion yields about 5,400 billion cc of human flatulence....5.4 trillion cc's of human ass gas is vented into our atmosphere every year. Sooner or later, we too may fart ourselves into ex-stink-shun.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 9:12

I really think they should do something to allow better access to Greer, Ft Negley and the Science Museum but I do like to poke fun at my suburban brothers.

I had these same arguments about the taxes for years; but as someone said above, "if you can't beat 'em... " lol.

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 9:22

Ben Dover, a putative "financial conservative", demands more bread & circus of government, he wrote: I really wish you guys would get off your tushes and build me a baseball park for the Sounds though. This constant din of b*tching about the taxes is getting quite annoying.

Perhaps Ben is being sarcastic...surely he is not an advocate for taxpayer-funded sweetheart deals between municipalities and professional sports franchises....and surely, Ben does not believe all the BS that the sports team owners put out in their press releases....Ben knows rosy scenarios, based upon wishful thinking are not a basis for wisely investing the public's money....wouldn't be good "stewardship"....Ben knows stewardship.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 9:24

That's just more hot air from the Gaia worshiping global-warmist religion, loner. It's their ultimate answer in constant search of a problem.

By: brrrrk on 5/7/12 at 9:31

Captain Nemo said

"However, I do think that the Neocons/Tea Part has made the GOP an insipid machine of revulsion against anything different. Yogi you are a first-class example a cog in that apparatus."

Ohhhhhh, you said "cog".....

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 9:31

Having hedged my bets against their malfeasance loner I find the stench of our local government's machinations much less offensive. I may become a full-on advocate for 'investments' by the taxpayers in Nashville if I replace my 2nd home with something in neighboring Williamson.

By: Kosh III on 5/7/12 at 9:38

"I really wish you guys would get off your tushes and build me a baseball park for the Sounds "

I guess you were tongue-in-cheek but let the Sounds build their own fraking playpen with their own money, not taxpayers. Ditto for Preds, Titans, HCA, even St. Dolly.

Park Overall for Senate 2012!

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 9:45

Jingle James @ your service, Ben Dover.

"Gaia worshiping global-warmist religion"? That's creative...but too long...needs a snappy acronym....right now, you got: GWGWR....no flow there.

You gotta buy a couple of vowels, Ben...say, 2 A's....then, you get GWAGWAR.....that's a better mnemonic.

May I suggest:

Gaia Worshiping Anarchist Global Warmist Atheist's Religion.

Used in a sentence: "That's just more hot air from the GWAGWAR gang, loner.

By: slacker on 5/7/12 at 9:47

I thought we were buying enough carbon credits, for global warming to bypass Nashville.

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 9:53

Slack....I do not think that most Tennesseans know for sure what a "carbon credit" is...if it ain't in the Bible, it don't mean jack.

By: brrrrk on 5/7/12 at 9:57

Kosh III said

"I guess you were tongue-in-cheek but let the Sounds build their own fraking playpen with their own money, not taxpayers. Ditto for Preds, Titans, HCA, even St. Dolly.

Park Overall for Senate 2012!"

I agree. As far as I can tell there has never been a single study that showed that having a professional sports franchise in a city does anything for the finances of that city. If anything, the local community gets stuck with white elephant facilities and the infrastructure required to support them (both of which are a constant financial sinkhole) while the local big shots get to show off their pretty suites and the owners walk away with the profit. The Packers are the only ones doing it right......

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 9:58

Ben...Forest Adoring Global Warmist Atheist's Religion...yields: FAGWAR. That has appeal to the base, no?

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 10:01

Compare downtown on a Hockey night to a night without an event, Brrrk.

You'll quickly realize that the Preds contribute substantially to the Criticial Mass necessary to sustain our Downtown area.

Take away Hockey and all you're left with is the long line of bums p*ssing in the streets and scaring away all the tourists.

By: brrrrk on 5/7/12 at 10:01

Loner said

"Ben...Forest Adoring Global Warmist Atheist's Religion...yields: FAGWAR. That has appeal to the base, no?"

FAGWAR? Sounds like something right out of the Ted Nugent book of rants...... soon to be available on Amazon.com.

By: slacker on 5/7/12 at 10:03

Loner, its in the bible. It's in that last chapter Al Gore wrote before inventing the internet.
It starts: Verily..verily it shall get hot.

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 10:04

Thank you, Brrrrk for the cogent feedback....if Ted, or anyone else steals that line, they'll have to settle up with Ben Dover & Loner....ain't that right, Ben?

By: brrrrk on 5/7/12 at 10:05

BenDover said

"Compare downtown on a Hockey night to a night without an event, Brrrk.

You'll quickly realize that the Preds contribute substantially to the Criticial Mass necessary to sustain our Downtown area.

Take away Hockey and all you're left with is the long line of bums p*ssing in the streets and scaring away all the tourists."

Ahhh, so what you're saying is that it's OK to tax every resident of Davidson County in order to support a few downtown businesses who wouldn't normally make it on their own? Welcome comrade Ben......

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 10:06

True dat, Slack....the lake of fire etc. Pastor Gore wrote the FAGWAR Addendum to the New Age Bible.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 10:07


By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 10:09

That's right loner... I'm afraid Ted's starting to hear voices now resonating from his Marshall so you better ammo up, loner.

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 10:11

Brrrrk, Ben's yankin' our collective chains? Claims he's "hedging" his investments...Ben's gambling that bread & circus governance remains and expands in Nashville....he can't beat 'em...so he's joining 'em....screw the public interest...what's in it for little boy Dover?

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 10:14

Ben, you ammo up...I'll lawyer up...now we need money and we'll have the divine trinity: Lawyers, Guns & Money. (Credit: Warren Zevon)

I feel like making money today....maybe I should put on the tin-foil skullcap?