Up for Debate: A sit down with the mayor

Monday, May 7, 2012 at 12:58am

Let's hear your breakdown of Mayor Karl Dean's responses to the pressing issues at hand.

Filed under: City Voices

76 Comments on this post:

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 10:19

Oh... I'm ammo'd up already loner. If Uncle Ted goes unglued and comes my way he better hold up behind a duck-blind because this game shoots back.

By: brrrrk on 5/7/12 at 10:21

Loner said

"Brrrrk, Ben's yankin' our collective chains? Claims he's "hedging" his investments...Ben's gambling that bread & circus governance remains and expands in Nashville....he can't beat 'em...so he's joining 'em....screw the public interest...what's in it for little boy Dover?"

True dat. When Ben and his ilk get something from the government that protects their best interests, it's because they deserve it..... but when the poor, the sick, the disabled, the working poor, the unemployed; when they want government policies that protect their best interests, well they're just plain lazy. Which once again brings us back to Paul Weyrich.


By: slacker on 5/7/12 at 10:22

Ted's off his meds. again. Gonna have to play him some throw-back tunes, to calm em' down.

By: JohnGalt on 5/7/12 at 10:23

You anti tax hike people concern me. Don't you realize...


Now, just suck it up and shell it out.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 10:34

Galt must've already moved to the Vally... it's just South of Brentwood, I think.

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 11:10

John Galt....apparently, tax hike proposals will bring him out of seclusion.

He's shrugging...chafing from the harness, I suppose.

I do wish that JG would stick around and participate in the online discourse...but that's not his MO.

It's comforting to know that Galt is still stalking us...waiting for an opportunity to verbally ambush...and then beat a hasty retreat.

Long live John Galt!

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 11:16

Amen, Brother Brrrrk....the "moral hazard" only exists in the case of personal welfare to unwed mothers...not so in the case of corporate welfare...or lavish tax breaks for the one-percenters....the Investor Class....that's their narrative and they are sticking to it.

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 11:20

Ben....just read your 11:07 post....very creative...too bad you have gone over to the dark side...the starboard side.

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 11:27

I gotta go soon...another Protest Monday...we occupy Albion, the County Seat of Orleans County....the sun-leaf of the Hempire State....one hour, every Monday.

I left one of two posts here:


It's an interesting article that I know some of you would enjoy reading....maybe commenting on.

RP could raise Hell in Paradise.

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 12:09

Brrrrk, I went to the link you posted @ 11:21...rare candor on display, no?

Gotta go now....later.

By: brrrrk on 5/7/12 at 12:50

Loner said

"Brrrrk, I went to the link you posted @ 11:21...rare candor on display, no?

Gotta go now....later."

What's the old saying.... you can judge the quality and intentions of a person, not by what they say and do when they think people are watching, but by what they say and do when they think people aren't watching. Obviously Weyrich thought he was preachin' to the choir.... so to speak. It also explains why ALEC (of which Weyrich was a co-founder) is pushing voter suppression laws so heavily.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 2:03

What's the matter guys? I thought you were all over making these 'investments' in government.

By: parnell3rd on 5/7/12 at 2:38

The invite from Pres. Obama to France's new Socialist President set a world record! Can you help me get re-elected? I like how you promised to not cut programs and raise taxes on millionaires to 75%! Hey Frenchie, you my kind of peeps!!!!!!

By: gdiafante on 5/7/12 at 3:02

Austerity isn't working in France, Parnell. The people have spoken. If you don't like it, don't eat french fries. Your waist will thank you.

By: Captain Nemo on 5/7/12 at 3:29

It sure is not gdia, but the extreme right will hold on to the idea that it is working.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 3:33

In a case of indescribable irony Obama is asking the new French Socialist President to keep the austerity program in place (probably just until after Obama is re-elected, though; at which time he'll have 'more flexibility'... ). lmao


By: Captain Nemo on 5/7/12 at 3:37

shb that is not working.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 3:39

It's kinda like the bank telling you to tighten your belt and get on top of your bills or they're not going to bail you out again and then you saying, "awww, f*ck it"... and max out all your credit cards... again.

too funny.

France has elected to help Greece drag the EU over the cliff. Watch Merkel as she cuts the rope.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 3:42

State and City bail-outs are going to cause the same schisms here in the US when the under-funded public sector pension promises all start to hit the fan.

By: pswindle on 5/7/12 at 4:45

We need to have an audit of Metro Nashville and see where the money has gone and the needs. We need to know about the Music City Convention Center, and other projects, and maybe with a clear picture, we can make a decisions.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 4:52

I think looking a little closer into why we've got $1,000,000,000,000 over the trendline in national deficits every year for that past 4 years and maybe asking where the almost half Trillion in TARP repayments went would be a more effective use of our time.

$400 bucks a year so they can cash in on their bogus property reassessment doesn't bother me a whole bunch in comparison.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 5:27

You see... while everyone is so distracted by their own predispositions about convention centers or gay marriage or whatever; the federal government is quietly adding around $15,000 every year for every American family onto our tax tab (in addition to what we already pay). How many years can every family in the country continue to be another $15,000 in the red and our country still survive this debacle? The $400 a year hit on property tax is a pain in the @$$ but, a little perspective here people.

By: Loner on 5/7/12 at 5:49

I'm back from the Monday Protest gig...lots of thumbs up and horn honking...the message is getting through: HOLY WARS SUCK.

I read Ben's 6:27 post and I want to see a credible source on his claim:
".... the federal government is quietly adding around $15,000 every year for every American family onto our tax tab (in addition to what we already pay)."

Let's see, in the 3 1/2 years under Obama, (3.5 X $15,000), that would come to about $52,500 per family in additional federal taxation under this president....utter hogwash, I dare say....Ben Dover pulled that number out of his @$$?

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 6:33

I pulled round numbers thinking about 100,000,000 families and about $1,500,000,000,000 a year in deficits, loner. The deficits are on mark (this not even accounting for the almost half trillion in TARP repayments they blew) but the number of households is a little higher at 114,235,996.


So given that around $13,134.35 per year per household in the red. Does that make you feel any better old friend?

I'm not too bad at that Math stuff... I have a degree in it actually. So if you factor in the magic disappearing TARP repayments it does get us up to around the $52K per family that you extrapolated.

All the while America was proving it wasn't racist I guess it should have unbiasedly listened to what this man was saying he'd do to the country. Sadly Rush's commentary, "I hope he fails". did not come true. We are living the Obama dream of 'fairness' just as he presented it to anyone who was listening. Sadly few of us were listening.

By: BenDover on 5/7/12 at 6:56

I hope your Holy War protest went well loner.

By: Ask01 on 5/7/12 at 8:35

While it may be true that no property tax money has gone into the MCC YET, even my ex councilmember, whom I like to believe I had a hand in tossing out of office, admitted once, if the MCC did not generate enough revenue to cover the mortgage, upkeep, and all associated expenses, the onus would fall on the taxpayer, which would draw from the general fund and if the general fund was depleted, well, guess what? Property taxes WOULD have to be used.

So, yes, so far no property taxes have been used, we all know that. But it is early and the fact was also admitted during one highly charged council meeting failure to generate enough revenue could eventually come down to those monies being involved, so Mayor Dean's advocates should not try to employ the 'taxes not used' smoke screen.

All the rosy predictions are for businesses to make money. That is why all the business people support the facility. They see a way to pad their own bank accounts. (Businesses which provide catering, security, lighting, audio support, as well as those who promote and produce entertainment events certainly support this corporate welfare.)

I suppose the city will receive a cut of those profits through a trickle down process of taxes. I do wonder how far those monies will go toward covering all expenses so as not to be a burden on all taxpayers, not just property owners.

I notice Mayor Dean didn't really talk about the tax breaks granted to businesses. I know, I know the song and dance, "they create jobs," but so far, I have not seen any evidence this has happened, which is why I oppose corporate and business welfare.

Once they actually create some employment, real, full time, permanent positions with benefits paying decent wages, we can talk about some tax breaks, but show me some real jobs first. (I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't even acknowledge part ime, temporary, seasonal, minimum wage jobs as providing real employment.

I also noticed Mayor Dean sidestepped the question about putting the increase just below the threshhold to trigger a referendum. Lame, Mayor Dean, very very lame.

I stand by my original idea to lay off most of the high level, overpaid Metro government leadership, or reduce their pay and benefits so they might share the pain of those at the bottom. Starting with Mayor Dean and that Riebeling fellow.

I do recall among the benefits insinuated about the stadium was one that the investment would provide all manner of fabulous tax revenue for the city. I can't say I have seen anything tangible yet.

It is funny, though, that both former Mayor Bredesen and current, (wish he was former already) Mayor Dean both finagled deals with big promises then followed up with property tax increases.

All the silliness from Mayor Dean's supporters is, well, silliness. Deep down in their hearts, they know this is going to benefit only a small segment of Nashville's population.

It would be nice if they would just drop all pretense of concern for the city and admit they are in line to benefit.