Up for Debate: State Dems on election wins/losses

Wednesday, November 7, 2012 at 11:17pm

What do you think about the election outcome in the state legislature and the Democrats reaction to it?

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By: Rasputin72 on 11/8/12 at 12:43

Anytime a person is defeated under the banner of being a Democrat a public service has been done for the productive class.

By: Ask01 on 11/8/12 at 2:10

The Democratic party is the prime author of their own problems. The 'convenient,' easy way out, is to lay all blame at the feet of Chip Forrester, however, that is too simplistic and actually unfair.

From my perspective, the party as an entity has not done enough to help the middle class identify with their goals and agendas.

The Repulicans, on the other hand, have been very successful pretending to represent and even appearing to embody the core values of many in the state.

I heard someone comment recently anyone could stand a reasonable chance running as a Republican sticking to a simple recipe including advocating God and guns, and railing against gays, minorities, and affirmative action. I would have once shrugged off the idea as ludicrous and lame, however, I have seen the light.

I fear those duped into supporting the Republican party are going to soon experience a rude awakening, as they discover what one politician meant when declaring their first goal was to make Tennessee even more business friendly.

As their protections and rights as workers are slowly eroded to help boost profits for businesses, the ever shrinking middle class will slowly begin to realize the republicans could not care less about them, while trying to cater to every whim of business.

The upside is, as the middle class learns the painful lesson, and more fall into a lower socio-economic class their eyes will be opened, and after licking their wounds hopefully begin to throw their support behind the party which actually brought them many of the benefits they currently enjoy.

Until then, however, they will be forced to lie in the bed of thorns they created for themselves and others.

By: Mike Burch on 11/8/12 at 3:54

The Republican party has lost its marbles and is bound to become increasingly irrelevant in the 21st century. The party has alienated women, gays, minorities and young people (who are increasingly tolerant and liberal).

The GOP power basis (white Christian men) is continually shrinking as a percentage of the overall electorate.

If the GOP couldn't defeat Democrats despite four years of bad economics, how can it win elections in the future, if the economy continues to improve?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/8/12 at 5:51

I in agreement with Ask01 in that the Democrats are the cause of their lack luster performance. It is due to Uncle Ned playing king.

Mike has pointed to the GOP lack of understand the world in which they live in and are on a path of the Wig Party.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/8/12 at 5:58

The first post of the day comes from the Common Pigeon that thinks it is a Pea Cock. A looser on all fronts yet it struts his dingy feathers as if they were made of the fines silks.

(Ray)

By: Captain Nemo on 11/8/12 at 6:19

Jim Gotto had to go and now that is a fact.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 6:24

Wait, there are Dems in Tennessee??

I think that the Daily Show summed it up when they projected, on Tuesday, that Romney "won the Confederacy".

As the natives here keep on course with their sharp right heading, the GOP is only too happy to lead the way. I'd be surprised if the Dems recover in this decade.

Even though national demographics are clearly illustrating just how archaic the GOP has become, it's a much slower process on the local level. It'll take a generation or so...maybe two.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/8/12 at 6:42

LOL gdia. Not only that, Romney also wins the Indian Fighting Western States. Do we see a pattern here?

I got to get back on the road again. I finished up one job last night, then they gave me another job to do in Maxine N.C.

Hope you all have a good day and I'll check in later.

By: Rasputin72 on 11/8/12 at 6:45

Mike Burch....You forgot to mention (unintentionally of course) that the Republicans have alienated the worthless,shiftless,unemployable,underclass,the beggars,the welfare frauds and of course those with a bad case of class envy.

You are correct in that the Republicans will diminish in numbers as the United States declines as an economic power. As the money dries up from the tax base of the Republican demise,unfortunately you will see less money for the people that I mention and you mention.

In the meantime, "There are those of my generation who have lived their entire lives in Camelot." " I am fortunate to be one of them."

By: Ask01 on 11/8/12 at 7:00

Gdiafante is, sadly, most likely correct in the assessment.

As the GOP charges boldly forward into the past, reviving the glory days of robber barons, sweat shops, and unregulated business, (the code word for which is "business freindly,") far too many citizens, foolishly imagining themselves equals with the Republican leadership, follow lemminglike toward the cliff.

The totally mirthless joke is, many who count themselves as vital members of the ruling elite are in fact, nothing more than expendable cogs in someone elses machine. Their illusion of security is as fleeting as the morning mist, particularly if their ' imaginary colleagues' decide more profit can be realized by scrapping the machine.

The punchline comes, not as a laugh inducing finale, but as a blow to the gut when the discarded worker discovers the 'business friendly' state they helped form has worked quietly to reduce or eliminate many of the benefits once provided those unemployed, since if someone isn't working, they must be lazy, ungrateful slugs sucking society dry.

The Democrats will stage a comeback, but the process will likely take some time.

On the other hand, if the legislature runs amok, pursuing inane agendas and pointless legislation, as I believe they will, the timeframe could be drastically shortened.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 7:01

There are so many fallacies in your posts, raspy, that I could spend the entire day setting you straight. But, since we all know that you're more bark than bite, I'll pass.

The only thing I will say is that even in Camelot, the horses had to sh!t somewhere.

By: Ask01 on 11/8/12 at 7:09

Of course, another option is a French or Russian style equalization of the classes following arrogant outbursts and displays of unbridled excesses.

The possibilities are decidedly slim, but one must realize the deposed aristocrats of those bygone days also reckoned themselves safe and beyond the reach of the masses.

The people are fairly flexible and entirely too tolerant, but once pushed too far, the results are unpredictable.

Even for delusional minions imagining themselves to be long dead Russian despots.

By: Adman on 11/8/12 at 7:19

A day after the election I have a couple of observations and I am looking forward to the discussion they create (hopefully).

1. Nationally Democrats are giddy about the outcome of the election. They are saying that they have found the electoral magic bullet to continued success, and that the Republicans have painted themselves into an electoral corner they can never escape from. That is probably not true.

2. Now the Democrats own it. They successfully sold the idea that the reason the economy is still bad is Bush's fault. It was so bad 4 years wasn't enough time to fix it. Now Obama has 4 more years to perform. I really hope I am wrong, but I have no confidence that things will be significantly better in 4 years then they are today. I don't see Obamacare controlling the growth of healthcare costs, or improving the system in general. Like I said I hope I am wrong, but for Democrats I have to be.

3. Every 2 term President since Nixon has had a major disaster/scandal during their 2nd term. Nixon/Watergate, Reagan/IranContra, Clinton/Lewinsky-impeachment, Bush/banking crisis. What is lurking out there for Obama? Hopefully nothing.

4. Both Clinton and Bush got creamed in the mid-term election during term 2, and the party in power lost the next Presidential election.

My bet is that the Democrats (in Congress particularly) have about 18 months to get things turned around, or we may be looking a Republican Senate to go along with a Republican House

By: govskeptic on 11/8/12 at 7:19

While not sharing the "white guilt" of many, the question is to the Tenn Democratic
Party wins or losses. Since the legislature picked up more Republican seats in
both chambers, that in most circles would be considered a lost to the Dems.
Turning back the heavy ads by the national & local parties in the 4th Congressional
race along with many many free stories to their cause from the press was an especially sweet. 56 to 44% victory.
Thus far the state's democratic leaders have fired back with complaints of voting
problems, mostly voter errors or incompetence, and a call for 2 million more dollars
to be spent on that expensive baby sitting program of Pre-K. "Red" is well in Tenn.

By: Loner on 11/8/12 at 7:27

Good morning, Nashville.

What do you think about the election outcome in the state legislature and the Democrats reaction to it?

The Tea Party is on the decline nationally, but alive and well in Tennessee...in fact, it is thriving in TN....the re-election of Scott Desjarlais is proof of that....suicidal, gun-sucking, skin-heads are considered leadership material in the Volunteer state.

The Democrats reacted? Didn't hear about that. Must have been drowned out by the crowing and chest-beating from the Tea Party.

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By: parnell3rd on 11/8/12 at 7:28

"A house divided cannot stand" Pres. Lincoln
Pres. Obama has succeeded in dividing the house with class warefare

By: parnell3rd on 11/8/12 at 7:29

ops warfare!

By: Adman on 11/8/12 at 7:29

@govskeptic, I got so sick of those ads run by Eric Stewart i couldn't have brought myself to vote for him with a gun to my head. Thankfully I don't live in that district and I didn't have to vote for Desjarles either. It got to the point every time one of Stewarts ads came on I changed channels. I suspect Desjarles won at least in part because voters were sick of Stewart.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 7:30

I take it, gov, that you are clueless about the Pre-K requirements in TN. It's not a baby-sitting program. God forbid we actually want to teach children at a young age. It's not like there's an education problem in this country...

Let's keep them uneducated trash that think the Earth is 6 thousand years old and "fixing" means you're about to do something. That's the (Red) ticket.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 7:33

"A house divided cannot stand" Pres. Lincoln
Pres. Obama has succeeded in dividing the house with class warefare

Yes, because it was not divided in 2000...Newsflash: this country has been steadily going down a partisan divide for the past 20 years.

And it's warfare...unless you mean that Obama is manipulating Tupperware in order to divide us...which with you I wouldn't doubt it.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 7:35

Ok, parnell, didn't see your correction. My bad.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/8/12 at 7:40

The GOP "Party of No" is divisive. As soon as Obama was elected they made it their life's mission to try and destroy him instead of focusing on bipartisanship in fixing the problems Bush left.

By: Loner on 11/8/12 at 7:50

It's been 44 years since Tricky Dick reached out to the disgruntled, Bible-thumping, Southern segregationists....the Solid South did not immediately and completely flip over to the dark side all of a sudden...the Republicanization of the former Confederacy took time....Dixie flipped over, starting at the federal level ... then the state houses started to switch over to the GOP side...that purging process took decades to complete.

If the South ever changes again, will the change start at the federal level and work its way down...or will the change be from the bottom up?

By: govskeptic on 11/8/12 at 7:51

gdi: The Pre-K requirement? You mean the ones where the parents have taught the
youngsters nothing from birth until age 4 and ask everyone else to catch them
up on counting to 3. Who is truly clueless in this and most other subjects?

By: Ummm... on 11/8/12 at 7:59

Per Loner: "suicidal, gun-sucking, skin-heads are considered leadership material in the Volunteer state."

Loner, aiming at a group rather than an individual or, for that matter, a "troll" rather than a forum participant you've deemed "worthy," does not render your criticism less scathing, nor does it temper the mean-spiritedness of your comments. Although you are evidently a person of above-average intelligence, and although I find myself concurring with many of your stated opinions, I also observe that underneath your "hail fellow, well met" friendliness and jocularity a touch of self-righteousness laced with condescension permeates your posts now and again. From my humble perspective, you would do well to remove the smudge of foie gras on your chin before concerning yourself with any trace of Grey Poupon on mine.

P.S. Should you choose to respond to this missive (and I've no doubt you will), please try to refrain from referring to yourself in third person as "the lone one," as it merely reinforces negative perceptions outlined above.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 8:07

Give me a break, gov. You're much like Raspy, assuming that everyone just wants a handout. That's a disservice to most parents out there who do have an active role in their child's education yet have to work. This isn't the 1950's and not every family is named Cleaver.

What's a matter, too many timeouts when you were in Pre-K, govy?

By: Loner on 11/8/12 at 8:11

Maybe the Volunteer state should consider re-seceding, declaring war on the USA, surrendering immediately and demanding foreign aid from the US Treasury?

Afghanistan and Iraq may receive more per capita aid from the US Treasury than Tennessee does...give it a shot.

By: bfra on 11/8/12 at 8:16

Where do you teach gov., that you know so much about what the pre-K children know? Mainly just so I can notify everyone with small children not to send them there, because you have already prejudged them.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 11/8/12 at 8:21

So, if you have kids with crappy parents you just write them off?

By: Loner on 11/8/12 at 8:26

Maybe TN should remain in the union after all...I checked it out:

Total US aid to Afghanistan in 2010 was 11.4 billion. US federal aid to TN in 2010 was about 12.5 billion. The (2010) population of Afghanistan was about 28 million...the population of Tennessee, about 6.2 million.

US per capita aid to TN, on a per capita basis, is nearly five times as generous as foreign aid might be...better stay in the union of US states.

By: Loner on 11/8/12 at 8:29

The lone one will not take the bait, Ummm.

Lovely day here, sunny, but cold....

By: Rasputin72 on 11/8/12 at 8:29

Gdiafante......You are very bright. I realize that you look at America through different lenses than I. I was not born with anything but desire and good brain genetics,so I doubt that you could say anything that would straighten me out. I know you understand that. I have been in complete charge of my life since I was 14 years old. My decisions and my philosophy have always been intact.

I do not respond to the "Simple Six" as they are just passing through. You however are astute enough to realize and observe the change in America as you pointed out in your 8:07.

America has changed and is changing based on a myriad of reasons. The south is the last bastion of the culture that allowed us to win WWII. It too will fade away.

I would ask you as one of the more reasonable posters on this board, Why, in your words would someone vote for Barack Hussein Obama? It is my opinion that the majority of the votes in the Obama column were not for Obama but against people like me and the for lack of a better term, "the successful" in this country.

By: BenDover on 11/8/12 at 8:30

Chip Forrester did a horrible job in his tenure and that's why the Tennessee Democratic party fell apart. They didn't even groom a candidate for the Democratic nomination for Senator (the only state-wide race on the ballot) who was acceptable to the party members.

As for the national debacle I'll let Ronnie sum it up, "Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so.".

The 24 X 7 commercials of Bill Clinton lying about a recovering economy that was only really treading water because Obama had dipped his hands into our grandchildren's future earnings will likely never be understood as one of the most damaging lies ever sold to the U.S. Electorate.

Now Obama has full reign unchecked with the nuisance of facing the voters again. Let's hope he proceeds with restraint, though history would lead us to believe otherwise.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 8:31

Gov is of the persuasion that it's not his problem. Nevermind that if we completely abandoned those children (who, by the way, don't have a choice in who their parents are), we're going to have an entire block of society that are uneducated and destined for failure. And, ironically, it's that very same block of people that gov complains about as welfare-seekers, entitlement whores and a drag on society.

Instead of attempting to steer them towards education and a successful life, we should write them off as a lost cause.

You, my friend are the problem.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 8:32

Yeah, we get it Ben, you're upset. No need to post the same thing over and over. We already have a troll for that.

By: bfra on 11/8/12 at 8:35

Amen on that gdiafante!

By: Rasputin72 on 11/8/12 at 8:35

LONER.......Although I disagree with you vehemently on most social and political issues, I greatly respect the gray matter that produces those opinions.

You displayed that gray matter this morning with your 8:29. It is best never to open dialogue with one of the "Simple Six."

By: bfra on 11/8/12 at 8:37

Raspy much have found some old Frank Yerby books & has taken on the personna of 1 or more of the Mastas!

By: Ummm... on 11/8/12 at 8:41

Congratulations Loner, you've garnered support from Rasputin. You must be so proud...

By: parnell3rd on 11/8/12 at 8:44

"I'm glad Hurricane Sandy happened" Chris Matthews msnbc
Now that is the kind of humanity that you liberal's listen too. You must be so proud that one of your kind is glad that hundreds of American's are dead and homeless!

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 8:51

Context, parnell, context...

I'm so glad we had that storm last week because I think the storm was one of those things. No, politically I should say. Not in terms of hurting people. The storm brought in possibilities for good politics.

He's speaking of how it brought the parties together in the spirit of cooperation. Christie and Obama could work together...a Dem and a Republican...go figure.

Parnell is very astute in the art of yellow journalism. Somewhere, William Randolph Hearst is smiling.

By: slacker on 11/8/12 at 8:53

Ben, Bill Clinton did seem to be overenthusiastic in his campaigning for Obama.
I suspect Clinton wants Hillary to get the next Supreme Court appointment, after Ginsburg retires. Or.. he has some (Hoover style) pics of ''The Bill'' in a compromising position.

By: gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 8:57

Or...he understands that going back to what the GOP wanted would be disastrous...Occam's razor, my friend.

By: slacker on 11/8/12 at 8:58

Will Hillary wear a pants suit under her new robe ..or go au naturel?
Never mind, my bad.. some people are still eating breakfast.

By: bfra on 11/8/12 at 9:04

Wonder what Adelson was expecting in return for his $25M donation to Romney?

By: BigPapa on 11/8/12 at 9:06

The funniest (or dumbest) thing I heard yesterday was Phil Valentine (yes I had to check in to hear the aftermath) say that the reason Romney lost was......................................... He wasn't conservative ENOUGH! Yeah, he thinks next time they need someone that will run farther to the right!

Granted his job is to get callers and host a show, but that would be political suicide.

By: budlight on 11/8/12 at 9:06

gdiafante on 11/8/12 at 8:31
Gov is of the persuasion that it's not his problem. Nevermind that if we completely abandoned those children (who, by the way, don't have a choice in who their parents are), we're going to have an entire block of society that are uneducated and destined for failure. And, ironically, it's that very same block of people that gov complains about as welfare-seekers, entitlement whores and a drag on society.

Instead of attempting to steer them towards education and a successful life, we should write them off as a lost cause.

You, my friend are the problem.

Gov is not the problem; the problems are the people who just sit around and collect Obamabenefits and then vote for more. Obama is going to run our country into the ground. It's about survival of the most fit at this point. The middle class is running out of members. We're either gonna be dirt poor or filthy rich in this socialist country.

Christie said he'd do anything to help his state, even kiss the ring of the king -- and he did it!

By: BigPapa on 11/8/12 at 9:19

Picking up the ol' line from James Carville "its the economy stupid" would be a nice thing for the GOP to do.

They are wearing these regressive social issue around their necks like an albatross. When you turn people off with all the religious stuff you never even get a chance to talk about economic issues, reducing the tax burden, welfare reform, reforms of entitlements.

By: slacker on 11/8/12 at 9:20

I think most will agree.. that the Repubs. won't trot out any more old white guys.
2016 will be Marco Rubio and Nikki Haley.

By: bfra on 11/8/12 at 9:23

Bud - People like you are the problem! Can't hold a job, draws SSI & no telling how many other benefits (all of this coming from your own big mouth). Then just sit around & complain about others.