Up for Debate: State flexes curfew muscle

Monday, October 31, 2011 at 12:24am

Have state officials overstepped their bounds by enforcing an overnight curfew on Legislative Plaza or is the enforcement necessary?  

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By: Loner on 10/31/11 at 11:28

Thomas Robert Malthus was a paid shill too, right, Ben.

Malthus wrote:

Must it not then be acknowledged by an attentive examiner of the histories of mankind, that in every age and in every State in which man has existed, or does now exist

That the increase of population is necessarily limited by the means of subsistence,

That population does invariably increase when the means of subsistence increase, and,
That the superior power of population is repressed, and the actual population kept equal to the means of subsistence, by misery and vice

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthus

Ben Dover is a very trusting man; he wrote: "There's nothing a CEO of any of these companies can do to you that you don't want to be done."

Is that right? These CEO's can run a pipeline, powerline, sewer, signal, gas and/or water line across your property any time they wish....just for starters. They can put a dump in your backyard and strip mine your favorite unspoiled area. They can make a call to their political hacks holding public office and make your life quite unbearable...money talks...BS walks....the CEO's have lawyers, guns and money....and they own the politicians, their lobbies craft the laws....but Ben claims that they can't do things to us that we do not want them to do. Ben is a willing submissive?

Ben, wake up and smell the cigar-smoke....those corporate CEO's finance our political process, they pay the piper and they call the tune...we just dance to the music.

By: serr8d on 10/31/11 at 11:33

Herman Cain?

WHO IS HIS RIELLE HUNTER ?

http://twitpic.com/18yqlu

By: brrrrk on 10/31/11 at 11:37

And the paid troll comes out of his hole....

By: serr8d on 10/31/11 at 12:00

...and the moron who must pay his mother (nominally; he does dishes every other weekend) for basement living space spouts from his...

By: Loner on 10/31/11 at 12:00

"Herman Cain, is that a pubic hair on my pepperoni pizza?", Mrs. Cain called from the family dining room.

Serr8d, I truly get a good laugh out of your passionate posts. The flurry of name-calling is always good for a laugh....and it immediately detracts from the credibility of your rants....that makes my work a whole lot easier.

Serr, if those two women were paid to drop their charges against Herman Cain, to quit their corporate positions and agree to hush money deals, than there was more than just smoke here...we are talking fire in the belly of the pizza tycoon...actually a little lower than the belly....the Godfather is a stud?

Cain is a pillar of the Baptist church....preaches morality....yep, let's keep on diggin'....there is more pay-dirt here.

Oh, let the record be clear, Serr8d schlepped in the anti-Semitic charge being leveled at the Occupy protesters...something that the well-paid Israel agent, Joe Lieberman, pulled out of his Kosher sphincter, no doubt.

Lieberman took in $1,039,191 from the Israel lobby in the last election cycle; source:

http://maplight.org/us-congress/interest/J5100/view/all

Whiny Joe Lieberman, the turncoat Democrat, sees anti-Semitism everywhere he looks...that's his job, Serr8d. He's the guy who had the Patriot Act all typed up, collated and duplicated for mass glitzy distribution to the entire Congress the day after 9-11, as I recall....Joe had the law in the freezer, he quickly thawed it out and passed it around when the time was right. The law zoomed through Congress and Junior Bush signed the papers. Haste makes waste....billions and billions, as the late Carl Sagan might say.

Thanks to guys like Joe, we invaded and occupied two Muslim nations, at Israel's behest...and now President Obama has thrown the Palestinians under the Zionist bus...they are screwed...Joe earned his money.

When Joe Lieberman retires and moves to Israel, he could easily win the Israeli PM's job, should he run for the office...all he needs is more "blood of the virgins" to keep going...and going....and going....Dracula-style.

By: dargent7 on 10/31/11 at 12:07

Holding a door open for a woman or opening a car door is a far cry from what Anita Hill said Clarence Thomas did....offered and recommended movies, "Long Dong Silver" and put a p. hair on her Pepsi. No way she made it up.
Cain's allegations are 20 years old. To me, they have no merit.
But, his current nut-job "chief of staff" smoking into the camera while they're rollin' is all I need to know about this fool. His weird, scarey smile at the end sealed the deal.
The "Black Bart" cowboy hat is too much.
Some screws are loose with this dude. You vote for him.
I'm just interested if the two women were white. That up's the ante.
So, he worked for Pillsbury in the Godfather div. and turned it around.
Detroiter's Monaghan and Illich bought the Tigers and Red Wings with their start ups, "Lil Ceasar's "and Domino's. Monaghan joined the Jesuits and Illich bought his Tigers.
My God, the "Papa John's" dude is everywhere and he's sponsoring NFL games.
There's a lot of money in that dough.

By: serr8d on 10/31/11 at 12:09

Oh. Loner, you're more 'into' anti-Semitism than am I, so I bow to your bloodhoundy-nose. You seem eager and able to sniff out those who support the Zionist Jews (people like me). Could've used you back in Old Germany, back in the day when Jews were more knowing of their proper places.

By: yogiman on 10/31/11 at 12:14

But the question now arises, serr8d; who's public hair was it..., his or hers?

By: serr8d on 10/31/11 at 12:15

These Owwies are learning lessons they didn't learn whilst getting themselves schooled for $80K /yr. in Wymens' and Gender Studies...

Six weeks after a handful of activists took up residence in Zuccotti Park — the privately owned, publicly accessible plaza covering the block between Liberty St. and Cedar St. from north to south and Broadway and Trinity Pl. from east to west — the occupation has grown beyond all expectations, filling the park to near-bursting while becoming a national symbol of economic discontent and political frustration.

“What we’re trying to build here,” said Jeff Smith, a member of the Occupy Wall Street press working group, “is a model for the bigger society we’d like to see.”

And there’s the rub: The “model” civilization that’s sprung up at Zuccotti is itself increasingly divided between the stakeholders in the nascent movement who feel invested in the emerging economic, social and cultural causes of “the 99%,” and hangers-on, including a fast-growing contingent of lawbreakers and lowlifes, many of whom seem to have come to Zuccotti in the last week with the cynical encouragement of the NYPD.

The dedicated participants’ stronghold is on the park’s east side, facing Broadway. The stragglers tend to cluster on the park’s west side, facing Cedar. The rift between them is growing. And two of OWS’s core values, generosity and inclusion, are being put to a crucial test.

Every protest scene or dissent park draws from a dark carnival element, and Zuccotti has had members of this group since the first week of its occupation. But the swelling ranks of freeloaders and disturbed characters in the last few days has pressed the working group members who’ve organized the protest and so far kept it from going off the rails to refine their ideas about just how open their movement should be.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/occupy-wall-street-central-a-rift-growing-east-west-sides-plaza-article-1.969320#ixzz1cNeLipft

'Lords of the Hemp', anyone? No flies on me~!

By: dargent7 on 10/31/11 at 12:28

In the 90's, "sensitivity training", "sexual harrassment in the workplace", "co-worker seminars", "gay rights",were in their infantcy. (Now, bullying is big in schools)
It was ok to coerce women to sleep with you for a promotion. Hell, they wanted to do it.
Many times they let you know they "wanted it"., promotion or not.
Problem is, women also came "into their own", and either dressed provocatively, "Erin Brockovitch", swore, burped, and drank with the boys, etc.
Today, the workplace landscape is 180 deg. from 1991.
Everyone sues their employer for sexual harassment, discrimination, denial of civil rights, "blacks denied promotions", "whites denied promotions from unqualified blacks", etc. Now, Muslims are suing for prayer rooms w/o Christian symbols.
Cain is dealing with some karma....past, present, and future.

By: Loner on 10/31/11 at 12:29

Finally, Yogi asks a pertinent, a non-usurper-related question: "But the question now arises, serr8d; who's public hair was it..., his or hers?"

Yes, inquiring minds have a right to know...where are the DNA tests on that pubic fur?

Now Serr8d sinks to invoking false Nazi analogies....Godwin's law....now I'm a Nazi sympathizer...sheeesh!

I bitch about the Israel lobby buying the entire Congress and directing US foreign policy and I get labeled as a Nazi sympathizer....like a knee-jerk reaction....Helen Thomas understated the issue....guys like Serr8d are not just useful idiots, they are essential idiots for Zionism.

BTW, the Jewish state is not a constitutional, republican democracy...it is a democratic theocracy...it's the Jewish state - a state for the Jews first, everybody else comes in as distant seconds and thirds on the pecking order in Israel. The Jews claim Chosen People - Promised Land status...and Serr8d bows down to our spiritual and political overlords....and shills for their national interests at the expense of our own.

Serr8d has been fully sucked in....Holy Wars Suck.....Serr has a face full of Kosher pubies? He's a muff diver for Jewish supremacy...oy!

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 10/31/11 at 12:31

When all of this nonsensical hyperbole is over the end result is, if Cain wasn't in front and pressing the establishment nobody would care. As long as he is the front runner he will continue to receive body blows and epitaphs from those who have something to lose.

By: Loner on 10/31/11 at 12:37

Agents provocateur are to be expected at these Occupy Protests...if anyone is being paid to be there, it's those lowlife right-wing infiltrators....they try to egg on the hot heads, get people to commit illegal acts, they urinate in public, shout obscenties, act like A-holes etc. the Koch Brothers and Bloomberg Inc. probably split the tab for the paid goons....Serr8d, they might hire you too...sounds like they are getting desperate and you could use the dough, right? Free Godfather Pizza for agents provocateur, as what I saw on the web....no charge for the pubic toppings.

By: yogiman on 10/31/11 at 12:42

I agree, judyboodo,

Why has this accusation been brought up months ago? Now let's see, its been stated he "paid" them keep quite about it. My question then; can you believe them when they renege on their money acceptance deal?

Hard to believe them, isn't it?

And, Loner, that usurper question ain't going away until it can proven he is in office legally. Prove it and I'll buy you a cup of coffee when you come down.

Hell, I'd even buy you a bottle of wine and help you drink it.

By: brrrrk on 10/31/11 at 12:44

Loner said

"Agents provocateur are to be expected at these Occupy Protests...if anyone is being paid to be there, it's those lowlife right-wing infiltrators....they try to egg on the hot heads, get people to commit illegal acts, they urinate in public, shout obscenties, act like A-holes etc. the Koch Brothers and Bloomberg Inc. probably split the tab for the paid goons...."

It happened during the 60's, why shouldn't it happen now? That was all exposed with various FOIA requests. What was the old saying back then..... check the shoes.

By: Loner on 10/31/11 at 12:45

Judy has a point there....in politics it's a game of king of the hill...the guy on top is the one targeted for removal. Nobody is digging for dirt on Santorum, for example.

If Cain can't stand the heat, he should get out of the kitchen...an old pizza man ought to know that much...maybe his pepperoni is fried ad he ain't thinking right.

By: brrrrk on 10/31/11 at 12:47

Loner said

"If Cain can't stand the heat, he should get out of the kitchen...an old pizza man ought to know that much...maybe his pepperoni is fried ad he ain't thinking right."

Perhaps it was his "pepperoni" that got him into trouble in the first place....

By: BigPapa on 10/31/11 at 1:03

As much as I'd like to see the protesters go away I think being arrested and suppressed is what they live for. When you arrest them and drag them off it makes them feel like they're involved with something like the civil rights protests of the '60's.

By: Loner on 10/31/11 at 1:12

Methinks that Herman likes the smell of anchovies on his mustache?

Big Papa, what are you gonna do when they come for you? First, they came for the dirty hippies, but I was not a dirty hippie, so I said nothing.....

By: serr8d on 10/31/11 at 1:12

These questions about some anonymous huxster who raided Cain's pockets, sometime back in the '90's, were raised by Politico (a known bastion of LeftLibProgginess). Where were they when Larry Sinclair came forward to confess his sins?

Larry Sinclair: "I had a cocaine-fueled gay sex affair with Barack Obama in 1999!".

All of that was quickly swept away by BHO and M'chelle. LOOK, BUNNIES~!

Oh, but that gay sex affair wasn't 'harassment'; that was just happy (high times!) sex between two consenting parties, right?

But was there some sexual 'harassment' in BHO's past: Vera Baker, supposedly BHO's mistress back in 2004, who was paid off and is now hidden away on some romantic Caribbean island. But that's not worthy of even half a news cycle.

But Cain!, now.

HIGH-TECH LYNCHING!!!11!!1!ELEVENTY!!

By: BenDover on 10/31/11 at 1:15

Malthus was notably the father of a long line of Chicken Littles who have promised us our demise going through the mentioned Carson, Ehrlich and of most recent vintage, Mr. Release-My-Chakra himself, Al Gore.

All of his predictions about our eminent demise failed as well Loner. It's just earth-worshiper apocalypse... and it sells better than the religious kind.

By: serr8d on 10/31/11 at 1:22

More sexual assaults on the Owwies, who are told to keep quite, rather than go to the EVIL! pigs...

Gather hundreds of protestors in a public park with free food, little to no security and a general disregard for the rule of law, and you’re bound to attract a few unsavory characters.

Around 6:00 a.m. Sunday, one such person entered a woman’s tent at Occupy Wall Street’s Zuccotti Park shantytown and sexually assaulted her, the latest in a string of rapes and sexual assaults at anti-corporate protests across the country.

Equally troubling is “Occupy” organizers’ reluctance to cooperate with police or encourage victims to seek help.

In Sunday’s case, they chased the pervert away but never called the authorities.

“We don’t tell anyone,” an organizer told the New York Post. “We handle it internally. I said too much already.”

In Baltimore, a security statement from protesters warned that sexual assault would not be tolerated, but discouraged involving police to apprehend lawbreaking sex criminals. Rape victims were encouraged to contact the point people from the “Security Committee,” nicknamed Koala! and Largesse.

“Though we do not encourage the involvement of the police in our community, the survivor has every right, and the support of Occupy Baltimore, to report the abuse to the appropriate law enforcement,” the statement added.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/31/sexual-assaults-continue-to-plague-occupy-protests/#ixzz1cNuHT2EY

"Ahhh, sweetie, you just got gang-raped by 10 Commie Hippies? No problem; just go see Koala! over there; she'll fix you right up, give you a 'morning after' pill and a nice clean hanky to wipe yourself out with. That's all you need! Oh, and next time, be sure to have lubricants on hand! Our hard-working guys deserve happy Comfort Women!"

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/11 at 1:23

serr8d-

Are you posting on company time, with company equipment?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/11 at 1:39

By: serr8d on 10/31/11 at 11:33
Herman Cain?

WHO IS HIS RIELLE HUNTER ?

http://twitpic.com/18yqlu

King Troll is up set about this. Is there something true about this story

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/11 at 1:43

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 10/31/11 at 12:31
When all of this nonsensical hyperbole is over the end result is, if Cain wasn't in front and pressing the establishment nobody would care. As long as he is the front runner he will continue to receive body blows and epitaphs from those who have something to lose.

That is true judy and I don't care who you sleep with...unless.

By: brrrrk on 10/31/11 at 1:43

serr8d said

"These questions about some anonymous huxster who raided Cain's pockets, sometime back in the '90's, were raised by Politico (a known bastion of LeftLibProgginess). Where were they when Larry Sinclair came forward to confess his sins?

Larry Sinclair: "I had a cocaine-fueled gay sex affair with Barack Obama in 1999!"."

Too easy....... but leave it to serr8d to hang his hat on someone like this.

Public records and court filings reveal that Larry Sinclair has a 27-year criminal record, with a specialty in crimes involving deceit. The record includes forgery charges in two states, one of which drew Sinclair a 16-year jail sentence. The Pueblo County, Colo., Sheriff's Office also has an outstanding warrant for Sinclair's arrest for forging an acquaintance's signature and stealing her tax refunds.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/11 at 1:45

By: BigPapa on 10/31/11 at 1:03
As much as I'd like to see the protesters go away I think being arrested and suppressed is what they live for. When you arrest them and drag them off it makes them feel like they're involved with something like the civil rights protests of the '60's.

So you were against the protester of the 60’s too?

By: BenDover on 10/31/11 at 1:46

Evidently it doesn't pay to be the drug-addicted ex-gay lover of the president.

By: brrrrk on 10/31/11 at 1:49

BenDover said

"Evidently it doesn't pay to be the drug-addicted ex-gay lover of the president."

And where's that successful purely Libertarian society again?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/11 at 1:53

What are you trying to tell us Ben?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/11 at 1:56

From Friday

By: BenDover on 10/28/11 at 6:55
Whatever... you guys are absolutely mischaracterizing your 'enemy'. If you are doing it on purpose then I guess I can respect the Machiavelli angle but if you really believe it you are fighting the battle on a whole different battlefield and when you meet up with those minority of Don Quixote's like yogi or the freakin' neo-nazi racists everyone else is going to walk right past you and your attacks because they have valid gripes about Jimmy Carter redux.

Ben if you would stand up against people like yogi, then we would not be “mischaracterizing your enemy.”

By: serr8d on 10/31/11 at 1:57

By Nervous brrrrrrrkdown...

Public records and court filings reveal that Larry Sinclair has a 27-year criminal record, with a specialty in crimes involving deceit. The record includes forgery charges in two states, one of which drew Sinclair a 16-year jail sentence. The Pueblo County, Colo., Sheriff's Office also has an outstanding warrant for Sinclair's arrest for forging an acquaintance's signature and stealing her tax refunds.

So, what do we know of this woman who j'accuse Herman Cain unspecified sexual harassments? Oh, nothing at all? No name?

Does she have a record?

Did she shoplift from Target? Did she sell herself on the corner of Dickerson Road? Did she forge her mother's name to bad report card?

Larry Sinclair has a name. Your 'person of interest' does not.

For all we know, it might be Nemo's ex-wife or sister; a paid trollop who chased after Herman Cain for the money.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/11 at 2:00

I am beginning to think there is something to this story about Cain. Poor old serr8d is having a fit over it.

By: BenDover on 10/31/11 at 2:02

Obama should know better than to trade-out with a low-life like that.

By: brrrrk on 10/31/11 at 2:03

How much are you paid to post serr8d?

By: serr8d on 10/31/11 at 2:05

Why, you need some borrowed cash to afford more of your anti-paranoia-pills?

I'M POSTING FROM YOUR CLOSET! I'MA'GONNA GET YOU!

Check with Loner, I'll bet his stash is *heavenly*.... )

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/11 at 2:09

By: brrrrk on 10/31/11 at 2:03
How much are you paid to post serr8d?

Like I said before he gets to blow for every post.

By: serr8d on 10/31/11 at 2:10

This, for Loner. And for brrrrrkdown, so's he doesn't.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs077.snc6/168789_173613292681159_173098089399346_329243_2772697_n.jpg

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/11 at 2:18

Yes this story must be true. Poor serr8d is going for any dirt to change the subject.

By: brrrrk on 10/31/11 at 2:19

Captain Nemo said

"Like I said before he gets to blow for every post."

Notice he doesn't dispute it?

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/11 at 2:23

Give him some time brrrrk; he is chewing on the subject.

By: Captain Nemo on 10/31/11 at 2:51

brrrrk, I suppose that serr8d boss is too close for him to make a post. We will have to wait for him to sneak a reply. LOL

By: BenDover on 10/31/11 at 3:07

There's a lynch mob going after Cain 'cause he's a conservative black. If anything comes of it the conservatives will eat their own like they always do and Barney Frank will sit in the grow room with his boy-friend and laugh about all underage twinkees they get to continue to enjoy because the left has no such standards or expectations of behavior.

By: Loner on 10/31/11 at 3:39

Thanks for the link to God's Pussy....Serr8d. Did "Herb" Cain send you that in an Email? Looks like a good pizza topping...."Herb" Cainabis for prez...a pizza in every pie-hole!

Ben continues to play the race card for Herman the Pie-man....the uppity black man with the Mandingo tool and the lynch mob... a compelling narrative, but in this case the "victim" is the perp...he's paid out hush money to those ho's...the bitches are renegers? Or are they maintaining their paid silence? How many hushed ho's are out there?

Has Herman had a dose or two over the years? What kind of STD's has the man been treated for? Let's get the really raunchy details out there....does high-rolling Herman have herpes? Inquiring minds have the right to know.....after all, he's running for a job in which a BJ is a High Crime and Misdemeanor...an impeachable offense, according to the Republican Party. Just how clean is this Mister Clean?

By: Loner on 10/31/11 at 3:55

Ben, Conservatives don't eat their own...they forgive their own...look at the Senator Vitter scandal , for instance....the conservatives even forgave Rev. Jimmy Swaggart, the motel room masturbater....a voyeuristic wank, with the quivering lips and sweaty brow.

From Wikipedia:

In July 2007, Vitter was identified as a client of a prostitution service. He won a second term in the November 2 general election, defeating a Democratic challenge from U.S. Representative Charlie Melancon of Napoleonville, the seat of Assumption Parish. In the Republican primary held on August 28, 2010, Vitter handily defeated former Louisiana Supreme Court Justice Chet D. Traylor of Monroe, formerly from Winnsboro.

Christians forgive fellow Christians and so on down the line....they do not "eat their own", as Ben Dover alleges...on the contrary, they often elevate the perps to new heights, like they did with David Vitter and Jimmy Swaggart.

By: Loner on 10/31/11 at 4:02

Ben insinuates that Barney Frank is a homosexual child molester and a cannabis smoker...pure BS...a disparaging remark fabricated out of whole cloth. That blow is below the beltline, Ben....if you have evidence to back up those allegations, please reveal them.

By: BenDover on 10/31/11 at 4:20

It's 4:20 somewhere.

By: BenDover on 10/31/11 at 4:25

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/frank.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/07/barney-frank-was-present_n_349648.html

By: Loner on 10/31/11 at 4:54

Just had my 5:20, Ben...congrats, you won the Loner Award. A speech would be appropriate.

My grandson (He's 23.) Just purchased and opened a bottle of Jack Daniels Honey...70 proof...came with a pair of collectible glasses....tasted like Southern Comfort...only more honest....very nice. Nice deal on the glassware too.

Of course, I had to lecture the boy on how to enjoy stuff like that without going overboard....he's a good kid....stays out of trouble...knocking on wood here....

I tried your link Ben, I got this:

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By: dargent7 on 10/31/11 at 4:56

I just pulled an Evelyn Wood speed-read on the posts today...we are all in desperate need of medical attention.