Up for Debate: Supreme Court to rule on health care

Monday, June 25, 2012 at 1:35am

How do you think the Supreme Court will rule on the challenge to the individual mandate of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act? What will the political aftershocks look like?

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123 Comments on this post:

By: slacker on 6/25/12 at 8:41

Ford Jr. is in the NY clique now.. probably hanging out with Loner at ''Starbucks.''

By: gdiafante on 6/25/12 at 8:43

I think that since corporations are people, we here at the NCP forum should legally form a corporation and run for governor. Even yogi. We'll use him to court the recently discharged from the mental institution voting block.

By: revo-lou on 6/25/12 at 8:46

"gdiafante on 6/25/12 at 9:43
...recently discharged from the mental institution..."

Assuming a lot there gd.

By: BenDover on 6/25/12 at 8:51

I actually liked Ford better than Corker for senate at the time but a vote for Ford would have been a vote for uber-left Harry Reid so I pushed hard for the Cork.

Ford seems to be a pretty decent guy. Largely avoided the family drama. Common sense... pro-gun. It's a shame his ilk of moderate democrats was run out of congress by the likes of Pelosi and the other leftists.

By: yogiman on 6/25/12 at 8:53

Who do you think is causing our decline, gdiafante? The group that actually controls this country. It's called Congress.

The President is merely the CEO. Congress is the board of this company (country) that passes the rules and regulations.

And who is Congress' actual boss? The corporations and companies that are feeding them the money to keep them in office. Don't you always work for the company that's paying you?

By: slacker on 6/25/12 at 8:53

That means weaning him off his Lithium.. could be dangerous.

By: gdiafante on 6/25/12 at 8:53

Pro gun or pro Second Amendment? There is a difference.

By: gdiafante on 6/25/12 at 8:59

Make up your mind, yogi. One minute you're annointing Obama as the Socialist Damian Thorne, hellbent on a one-world government, the next you're saying the President is a mere figure-head, at the mercy of a bought-and-paid-for legislature.

Here's my two cents...I think some politicians, like Obama, begin with lofty idiological goals and find out very quickly how Washington works. Eventually they either play the game or move on to become lobbyists/consultants/speakers. I believe that it's becoming damn near impossible for anyone to change Washington, be it Liberal or Conservative, which is why the lines are being blurred.

In other words, we're screwed.

By: BenDover on 6/25/12 at 8:59

Certainly no red-blooded, heterosexual man would be against a woman's right to bare arms, gd. Especially Harold Jr. who is noted for his good taste in Playboy models.

By: yogiman on 6/25/12 at 9:03

They closed that old mental institute out on Murfreesboro Road decades ago, gdiafarte. They found the "mentally ill" patients were so far superior in intelligence than the employees they were wasting money on by employing those idiots. Was you kin to one of them?

By: gdiafante on 6/25/12 at 9:05

There's a fine line between crazy and genius. In yogi's case, the line is at least four AU's in width.

By: slacker on 6/25/12 at 9:06

Well.. tomorrow's CP topic will be: ''Your papers please.. and I don't mean Louise''

By: gdiafante on 6/25/12 at 9:07

I don't have papers, slacker, I use a bong.

By: BenDover on 6/25/12 at 9:11

Saw that... compromise... in the federal court to give the federal government more power. It's a USSC mainstay.

By: slacker on 6/25/12 at 9:16

I'm gonna start a rumor about a fist-fight between Thomas and Ginsburg, whilst arguing Arizona. A coke-can was involved.

By: slacker on 6/25/12 at 9:18

Thomas tapped out.. a naked choke hold. Damn Ginsburg.

By: BenDover on 6/25/12 at 9:18

The one thing they all seemed to agree on was that the 4th amendment is meaningless.

By: yogiman on 6/25/12 at 9:21


You're right, to a point. Obama is just a man in office. He is merely taking his orders from Master Soro, who is letting him through in a few of his ideas for the "pride" of being the POTUS.

The only argument I have on Obama is his being illegally in that office; according to our Constitution. But when you consider Congress allowed a man to take that office without proving himself legally eligible should wake you up about our government as a whole.

I'll repeat, look back through several presidents and see when they got on the road for the US to be part of a One World Government. They include the Bushes, Clinton and Jimmy Carter. And I'm sure you could go back further.

Communist got a strong foot on the road when the government set up the Department of Education to teach all children the same subjects in school. That, young man, is communism.

I believe Jimmy Carter set up that department and I believe Lamar Alexander was the first man in charge of that department.

By: BenDover on 6/25/12 at 9:22

After that, if I understand the ruling correctly, they said if the Fed has a law about something and refuses to enforce it then the state's not allowed to enforce it.

Wow... that flunks the common sense test at so many levels.

By: gdiafante on 6/25/12 at 9:38

Oh dear...Yogi's been watching those crazy internet videos again...I suppose John Adams was a Communist (before it was even developed) as he supported public schools...so did many other founders. In fact, several wanted a National University.

Of course, you have to remember, that was the Enlightenment...when people actually wanted to learn.

By: slacker on 6/25/12 at 9:38

Ben, the hang-up was, the Feds. sued before a state court ruled on it.

By: Kosh III on 6/25/12 at 9:41

They sold us out--again!

The Court ruled againt Montana's 100 year-old law banning corporate purchase of justice and the government. How much were they paid for Citizens United and this latest abomination.


By: gdiafante on 6/25/12 at 9:49

The best government money can buy. God bless Amurka...

By: BenDover on 6/25/12 at 9:51

Can we all agree that the hot-chicken logo on their ad is pretty bad@$$.

By: BenDover on 6/25/12 at 9:52

Though in my experience the fire comes out the other end.

By: Kosh III on 6/25/12 at 10:02

"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. ” — Franklin D. Roosevelt

Welcome to the Fascist States of America. FSA!

By: BigPapa on 6/25/12 at 10:04

"It's a shame his ilk of moderate democrats was run out of congress by the likes of Pelosi and the other leftists."

There seems to be no moderates any where. Not Left, not Right, not no where...

The Gerrymandering (by both sides) has created these safe seats where the candidate is only beholding to one constituency. They can just ignore any thing the other side has to say. It's a shame because most of the time the truth lays in the middle, and we have cut out the middle.

By: Kosh III on 6/25/12 at 10:07

Toss in a free Christmas while you're at it. Yeah, that's all a great idea, but the truth is you can't tax those of us that do pay taxes enough to ever fund that pipe dream. It's a monster that will eat the entire budget, for an example look at our TnCare program.

Before Bredesen put in those very very tough reforms it was eating the entire budget

Totally wrong.
1. If Medicare taxed everyone at the same rate it would have no funding problem. Funny how the "flat tax" folks push this notion for IRS but not Medicare.

2. Sundquist fixed TennCareStandard. He removed tens of thousands of ineligible people(illegal aliens, out of state residents, high income people)
And his reforms, effective 7-1-02 included reverifying yearly.
Plus, copays and premiums for everyone on both TennCareStandard and TennCareMedicaid.

Bredesen put everyone back on, then took some off again. He eliminated the copay and premium aspect. Then he farmed some of it out to BCBS---payoff maybe?

By: slacker on 6/25/12 at 10:09

Roosevelt attempted to stack the supreme court, thats not a good remedy either.

By: Kosh III on 6/25/12 at 10:09

"The only thing I have read as why you voted for him was because he was the first black president of this nation."

Read THIS.
I voted for Obama because he was not a senile war-monger in the thrall of the military-industrial complex.
I voted for Richardson in the primary.
Color was irrelevant: we are all equal.

Now you can stop telling that lie.

By: slacker on 6/25/12 at 10:14

Wasn't ''Richardson'' the cook in ''Deadwood?''

By: yogiman on 6/25/12 at 10:31

Where did I mention your name, Kosh III?

But I will go farther into it by saying several of you on this site gave Obama's race as your reason for voting for him, and I have to think it to be race only because you didn't know who in the hell he was... and still don't.

By: Kosh III on 6/25/12 at 10:31

Bill Richardson has served as US Rep., Governor, TWO cabinet positions and an Ambassadorship.

Obama served 8 years in the Illinois Senate before moving to the US. That's 6 more years of experience than Romney.

By: BenDover on 6/25/12 at 10:37

"Obama served 8 years in the Illinois Senate"

Thank God for sealed divorce records. Or was that Axelrod?

By: pswindle on 6/25/12 at 10:45

I believe that the only part that will be thrown out is the mandate, and then after the election President Obama can get the single-payer in the bill that he wanted from the beginning. Everytime that President Obama has compromised with the GOP they have messed up the bill. In trying to keep the President from doing what is best for the country, the GOP comes up with ideas that will not work.

By: yogiman on 6/25/12 at 10:47

But what did he do, Kosh III?

What bills did he get passed? How many votes did he make? How many "present" answers did he give.

And you could take that question on over to the US Senate. So what did he accomplish top make you want him as your president except "present". At least he went to work, he just didn't do his job.

By: BenDover on 6/25/12 at 11:08

Cmopromise with the GOP? In what universe are you living? There was zero GOP support for Obamacare.

By: Loner on 6/25/12 at 11:22

Harold Ford Jr. is a member of a politically active, black, crime family from Tennessee....he thought that he could just breeze up here to the Empire State and have his choice of political positions to run for.....he got a rude awakening...we have our own crime families in New York...black, white, Jew, Muslim you name it...we do not need outside sleaze in New York, we actually export our sleaze to the other states...Harold Ford Junior should have done his homework before moving his @ss up here....he should keep moving, if he wants to continue the family crime business....we do not need him here.

Protest Monday...gotta go.....later!

By: gdiafante on 6/25/12 at 11:24

Even though they were for it before they were against it...

By: yogiman on 6/25/12 at 11:31


Let's look at a situation: Let's say you beat Cooper for that seat in the House. Would you support a bill presented to you you hadn't had time to read before it was presented?

Was there a particular reason that bill was presented without being read? Why did Nancy Pelosi say they should pass the bill before they read it? Smart woman, eh? Well, it looks like she got them to do that. At least the dumbocrats.

Many in Congress said it was a good bill, even though they hadn't read it. Smart people, I guess. I questioned Alexander and Corker why Congress had a special health bill?

They had said the Obamacare bill was a good bill so I proposed congress come into that bill with the common citizens, or if they wanted to keep their bill, bring the common citizens into their bill.

Guess what; I never received an answer.

Congress has taken the place of our masters.

By: revo-lou on 6/25/12 at 11:45

"yogiman on 6/25/12 at 12:31
Congress has taken the place of our masters."

That is your problem yogi, you are always looking for a master.

By: BenDover on 6/25/12 at 11:58

Coop supported it because Pelosi didn't have enough votes to let him pretend to be a Blue Dog again that time. Coop isn't a Blue Dog... Coop is a lap-dog... last seen following Pelosi, with her jar of Skippy, into her chambers for a late night conference.

By: yogiman on 6/25/12 at 12:05

More questions: What is what? In 1991, a publicity brochure was issued by Obama's literary agent's company stating Obama was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.

Well, it would almost have to be certain the literary brochure data was received from Obama because a literary agency would normally get their personal information from the subject. And if there was an error, wouldn't Obama have had it changed instead of letting it be published for 16 years into 2007?

That literary advertisement was still in place in 2007 for two months after Obama threw his hat in the presidential ring when was it changed to [born in Hawaii].

But a 1990 Vanity Fair article stated Obama grew up in Singapore, not in Indonesia. So where did that information come from?

By: JohnGalt on 6/25/12 at 12:06

Cooper didn't even bother to wipe the brown off his nose when he voted Nay to hold Holder in comtempt. You could see it right there on TeeVee.

By: gdiafante on 6/25/12 at 12:06

They weren't discussing the bill, they were reporting a weeping pumpkin roaming the halls of Congress to security...turned out it was Boehner.

By: yogiman on 6/25/12 at 12:10

Late night conferences? With her? Question, BenDover; would you "join" her in those conferences?

I mean, I like Skippy peanut butter but I'd just quite eating it if that was the only place I could get it.

By: slacker on 6/25/12 at 12:11

Boehner.. coulda made millions as a professional mourner.. but nay, he choose to serve the people.

By: dargent7 on 6/25/12 at 12:12

yoGI: I voted for Obama because he was the sharpest tool in the shed.
Palin was an idiot, but looked good in a skirt and high-heels.
McCain's "war hero" status has long since expired.
Romney's great grandparents fled the USA for Mexico so as to continue the Mormon polygamy appreciation days...
Obama's dad was a Kenyan. Didn't have 4 wives. Married a white girl from Kansas.
All you regurgitate is this slop you've gleened from this A-Hole in Jeunea, Alaska.
How do you KNOW Mitt's dad and grandfather, both born in Mexico, were American citizens when Mitt was born?
They emmigrated to the US to have Mitt born. You don't know if their papers were legit.
All the shit you throw at Obama about "Naturalized", and "Natural born",is 100% valid an argument against Mitt to hold office.
Will he change his name back to Willard?

By: yogiman on 6/25/12 at 12:15

wrong, revo-lou,

I insist they be servants in office. That's why they run for office and that's why we elect them; not to tell us what to do. Just do what we tell them to do.

By: govskeptic on 6/25/12 at 12:15

Harold, Jr. is enjoying a pretty fat paycheck from Citi-Corp in some
special group that's mainly PR and Political Influence peddling for a
huge but poorly run bank. Ever returning to Tn very unlikely! Our
hard working President, solving unemployment and legislative
matters, enjoyed his 101st round of golf this weekend! Got to stay
in shape when having 4-6 fundraisers per day!