Up for Debate: Texas cheerleaders' free speech

Friday, October 19, 2012 at 12:27am

What do you think about the temporary injunction ruling in a case involving cheerleaders at a Texas public high school and their use of a Bible verse on a banner? Does it fall under free speech or separation of church and state?

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48 Comments on this post:

By: Rasputin72 on 10/19/12 at 3:45

I think this is an issue for the "Simple Six" to take up.

By: Loner on 10/19/12 at 5:12

Good morning, Nashville.

Gov. Rick perry and his AG are putting on the armor of god and crusading for the right to shove Christianity down people's throats at public high school football games.

Gov. Perry thinks that the Hebrew Bible, not the US Constitution, is the foundational bedrock of this secular and democratic republic....so did the confederate rebels, in 1861....they too believed that God was on their side, as God also hated and had cursed the Negro race.....Texans still cling to those old-fashioned Southern values.

The Republican Party actually considered Gov. Rick Perry for POTUS...incredible.....the Party of Lincoln has been hijacked by gun-toting, secession-friendly, Jesus freaks.

Abe Lincoln screwed up...he should have let the Southern bigots go their own way.

By: Loner on 10/19/12 at 5:39

Apparently, Jesus loved football and young, leggy, cheer-leading females on a mission from God.....and Jesus packed heat too...he loved and supported the death penalty....and he was a militant Zionist as well....and he had contempt for gays, lesbians and dirty hippies....Jesus loved a strong military and "exceptionalism"...yes, Jesus of Nazareth was a Republican neocon.....not the unarmed pacifist and cheek-turning wuss that the left portrays him to have been.....thanks to the Christians in Texas, we now know the real Jesus....Hallelujah!

By: Loner on 10/19/12 at 5:44

...and the tail-gate parties...we know how much Jesus loved those...he brought the wine.....he loved a ball game.

By: parnell3rd on 10/19/12 at 6:19

I find it interesting how liberals find other things to talk about. Instead of the failure or our president and his policies.
On Lybia Pres. Obama said "4 deaths is not optimal" A vote for Obama is a vote for a Dictator who does not care if his Citizens are murdered.
36 "green" companies he gave our money to are going bankrupt.
How many of you needed psychological help after "The Tennessean" endorsed Mitt Romney for President?

By: parnell3rd on 10/19/12 at 6:22

Yes Loner, now the party choice of Racist is the DemoNcratic party. Oh, and as we saw at the DemoNcratic National Convention, they also booed GOD. When they tried to bring HIS name back into the opening ceromony. So, are you DemoNcrats racist and athiest? Lokks like it.

By: bfra on 10/19/12 at 6:27

Loner - Is yogi posting under 2 names? LOL

By: Kosh III on 10/19/12 at 6:44

parn

God is not running for office and we are a SECULAR country where religion is NOT a test for office.
Maybe you'd prefer to stand and cheer for Allah? That's a "god" and in our SECULAR government all religions are valid and acceptable.

Praise Cthulhu. Praise Sauron. Praise Jesus.

By: Loner on 10/19/12 at 6:45

Sounds that way, Bfra....maybe they are "camping out" together...bridge brothers.

Parnell the Third asked, "So, are you DemoNcrats racist and athiest? Lokks like it."

I'm not a card-carrying DemoNcrat, Racist or Atheist, so I have no clue, brother Parnell.

All I can offer you is this:

http://zipmeme.com/uploads/generated/g1347642401637452568.jpg

Stay spiritually thirsty, my friend.

By: Kosh III on 10/19/12 at 7:00

Republican Voter Fraud which was not due to ID---again!

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/breaking-gop-contractor-arrested-for-throwing-voter-registrations-in-dumpster/politics/2012/10/18/51559

By: Loner on 10/19/12 at 7:20

Thanks for that link, Kosh...the scowling perp looks like a poster boy for the Aryan race...or the Skinheads.....naturally, he prefers the Republican Party.

Facing several felonies, we shall see if he goes to the big house...or gets white man's justice.....and walks. Hopefully, he'll get to bunk with Bubba & the Boyz....and break rocks in the hot sun.

By: Loner on 10/19/12 at 7:24

The Dems need to make a really big stink about this skinhead throwing filled-out voter registration forms into a dumpster...how many more of these Romney-financed thugs are operating in the swing states? Hopefully, Jon Stewart will mention this on his show....this ought to be front-page news....Romney has topped Tricky Dick?

By: govskeptic on 10/19/12 at 7:26

While this case is the opinion of only this Judge so far, it may or
may not set the ground rules for more of a common sense approach
to this portion of the 1st amendment. Not sure where Kosh get the
voter fraud BS into this particular question, also not sure why the
press thinks only that portion of the amendment that applies to their
freedom is the only important, pertinent, and literally correct wording.

By: yogiman on 10/19/12 at 7:48

parnell3rd just misspelled your names, Loner. It's really DumbunCraps. He just misspelled it.

By: yogiman on 10/19/12 at 7:53

Loner,

Richard Nixon was forced to resign for much less cause (lying) than Barry has pulled, yet Congress won't call him to attention. Have you ever wondered why?

By: bfra on 10/19/12 at 7:55

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By: BenDover on 10/19/12 at 8:23

We're obviously in the End Times now Loner with the Tennessean supporting Romney so I think we should give the leggy little Texas Cheerleaders a break.

And if UT pulls out a win over Bama this weekend I'd say we'd all do well to get our spiritual matters in order.

By: bfra on 10/19/12 at 8:37

I wouldn't put any stock in anyone the Tennessean supports, they can't even put out a decent paper.

By: Loner on 10/19/12 at 8:41

No doubt....End Times, Ben.

Gotta run...dental appt.....later!

By: BenDover on 10/19/12 at 9:03

The Tennessean is a leftist propaganda rag better know as Pravda on the Cumberland.

Lest there be any doubt check out the comments thread from all the devout followers screaming about canceling their subscription. It seems the editors must take in a few unbiased news sources to make such an endorsement; but evidently they have heretofore carefully protected their readers from any of it. lol

By: BenDover on 10/19/12 at 9:03

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20121018/OPINION01/310180040/Time-another-change

By: bfra on 10/19/12 at 9:13

I don't subscribe to or comment on the Tennessean. The only thing I read are the obituraries and would read those on another source if there was one. I think their last offer was something like $10 for a subscription, for a year.

Speaking of the Tennessean, d7 needs to check in & let us know where he is now. He commented on the nuts he said he encountered on their board quite often.

By: Rasputin72 on 10/19/12 at 9:34

BFRA......I understand completely $10 here and $10 there and pretty soon you have saved $100. Do you keep a log of this?

By: bfra on 10/19/12 at 9:41

Raspy - Keep a log on what? How many offers I get from the Tennessean to resubscribe. $10 might get you a cheap bottle of gin, so I guess that is very important to you.

By: pswindle on 10/19/12 at 10:17

The Constitution states very clearly about separation of state and church. If the want a banner with a Bibical verse, go to a private school where this is not a problem. Gov. Perry is a nut and bigot. Do you remember his performance in the primary?

By: brrrrk on 10/19/12 at 10:33

How insecure must people be to feel the need to interject religion into every aspect of their lives (even cheer leading?)..... and with no consideration for the views of others?

"If God is for us, who can be against us"..... really? How pathetically superficial! Like God (if their is on) cares about their piddly ass football game!

By: yogiman on 10/19/12 at 11:22

Sorry, bfra.

It takes someone intelligent to read the Tennessean,and that obviously leaves you out.

By: bfra on 10/19/12 at 11:32

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By: govskeptic on 10/19/12 at 11:36

One could only guess the Tennessean has been such a put off and put down
of half the potential readers for so long it's began to hurt-badly on a shrinking
bottom line. Maybe Gannett has seen private polls that tell them who the
potential winner will be. Time to throw those conservatives a bone for now
with this endorsement, but long term remain Ye Ole Liberal spread as usual.

By: jvh2b on 10/19/12 at 12:06

Considering the Tennessean is written at a 4th grade level...it only takes an idoit or a child to be able to read it.

Guess thats why our resident moron likes it so much...

By: BigPapa on 10/19/12 at 1:16

As a "devout" atheist I really dont see why this would be a big issue. If it's an inspirational quote from the bible, Allah, Confusius, or Nietche, who cares?

Worrying about stuff like this hurts other legit separation issues.

By: brrrrk on 10/19/12 at 1:42

BigPapa said

"As a "devout" atheist I really dont see why this would be a big issue. If it's an inspirational quote from the bible, Allah, Confusius, or Nietche, who cares?

Worrying about stuff like this hurts other legit separation issues."

And when do you realistically think that we'll see that? That's the problem. If all faiths would be treated equally I'd be right with you.... but c'mon, you know that's not gonna happen. And in TEXAS!?!?!?!

By: BigPapa on 10/19/12 at 2:22

As an atheist I'm more concerned about churches not paying their fair share in taxes, campaigning, covering up sex abuse, and/or continuing to fight for ignorance when it comes to protesting about sex ed and evolution in science class.

Saying a payer before a ball game, carrying a John 3:16 poster, whatever.. that stuff means nothing, it's completely insubstantial.

By: brrrrk on 10/19/12 at 2:32

BigPapa said

"Saying a payer before a ball game, carrying a John 3:16 poster, whatever.. that stuff means nothing, it's completely insubstantial."

You completely missed my point, we don't have an environment where you'll ever see anything OTHER than Christian slogans... not without Christians suggesting that the world is coming to an end. You're being completely naive about this....

By: slacker on 10/19/12 at 2:45

Wisconsin secularist cheese heads, concerned about bible-thumping Texas cheerleaders.
Somebody's probably gonna drop a dime on those Kentucky Pentecostal snake handlers next. Gotta nip it in the bud.

By: brrrrk on 10/19/12 at 3:30

slacker,

You conveniently left out the public school part......

By: Rasputin72 on 10/19/12 at 5:05

BFRA..........You saved $10 dollars by not subscribing to the Tennessean. This must be very meaningful toi you. I find that very frugal thinking.

I love to here these meaningfuil cost savings by you fellows of the SIMPLE SIX. One of you and you are so mundane that I cannot remember which has 467,000 miles on some sort of an automobile that is not made by BMW or Mercedes.

Keep up the good work!!!

By: Rasputin72 on 10/19/12 at 5:05

BFRA..........You saved $10 dollars by not subscribing to the Tennessean. This must be very meaningful toi you. I find that very frugal thinking.

I love to here these meaningfuil cost savings by you fellows of the SIMPLE SIX. One of you and you are so mundane that I cannot remember which has 467,000 miles on some sort of an automobile that is not made by BMW or Mercedes.

Keep up the good work!!!

By: Rasputin72 on 10/19/12 at 5:05

BFRA..........You saved $10 dollars by not subscribing to the Tennessean. This must be very meaningful toi you. I find that very frugal thinking.

I love to here these meaningfuil cost savings by you fellows of the SIMPLE SIX. One of you and you are so mundane that I cannot remember which has 467,000 miles on some sort of an automobile that is not made by BMW or Mercedes.

Keep up the good work!!!

By: parnell3rd on 10/20/12 at 5:18

Oh and how can we forget the Faithful Practicing Catholic Vice Pres. Biden. While in China he said " I agree with China's one child Policy"
So, I want you liberal demoNcratic parents with more than one child to look at your children, and ask yourself this question. Which CHILD do I love more than the others? Which CHILDREN can YOU live without?
Then in your heart and mind, go ahead and vote for the supposed party od choice.

By: parnell3rd on 10/20/12 at 5:21

good ones bfra and yogi!!!

By: budlight on 10/20/12 at 8:10

I for talking about God anytime and anywhere. If you are there and don't want to hear it, don't listen. And likewise, if you want to talk about your beliefs, you can do that; I don't have to listen.

Biden? Faithful Catholic? Oh yeah, when he's inside the church.. But outside the church, he's for killing unborn babies. He and the O'Drama man and his lovely wife who have two children. They should be on their knees praying to thank God for them having the blessing of 2 kids. Parnell you are so correct. These hypocrites who say they love their children and agree with China's one child policy need to just get rid of their other kids and only have one left.

By: yogiman on 10/21/12 at 4:06

budlight,

When people of that category talk you must consider the source and ignore it. You can only believe those who are saying what they mean and you know it.

Honest politicians are few and far between. For instance: Why are some Republican politicians finally coming out with comments against Obama just before the election. Why haven't they made such comments since he "put his foot on the floor"?

By: parnell3rd on 10/21/12 at 7:42

City paper is keeping lame topics up again.

By: Ask01 on 10/21/12 at 8:46

Perhaps I've misread the constitution.

I read the constitution as providing for freedom of religion, in that the government will not advocate one religion over another, forcing professing allegiance to one sect or another.

Nowhere do I find or interpret any passage professing a total lack of religion, or an injunction of any public display, even at a public function so long as the government is not favoring one religion over another wishing to be recognized at the same event.

I have to agree, if you don't care, don't listen or at least be respectful enough of those who do to sit quietly for the duration.

Most atheists declare, if I recall correctly, the Bible and religion to be fables, fairy tales, and archaic superstition. If that be the case, what is the big deal? Do they throw a fit when day care reads Mother Goose to their children? Perhaps they fear the consequences if they are wrong.

I won't get into an argument about Pascal's Wager and other philosophical points, but am just curious.

By: yogiman on 10/21/12 at 11:31

Agreed, Ask01.

The Constitution doesn't give the government the right to deny our religions, or choose OUR religion. But also, it doesn't say the government can not deny it's use in a political matter.

By: Ask01 on 10/21/12 at 3:14

Allow me to add I have a great deal of respect for BigPapa and others with similar views. They profess to be atheists, a position with which I have no problem, and are mature enough to realize others practice of religion is of no consequence for them, and even more commendable are actually tolerant of those who do openly practice.

If everyone emulate this attitude, so many difficulties could be avoided.

By: yogiman on 10/21/12 at 8:04

Religion is very much like politics. It's you choice to "take your pick" or be independent. But I've known many people who claimed to be atheists but sure prayed to God on occasions.

Was they joking? I sure didn't think so at the time.