Up for Debate: 'Times-Picayune,' other dailies hit with cuts

Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 10:46pm

Similar stories of cuts in the newspaper industry have unfolded periodically over the past several years, but Thursday's news that The Times-Picayune in New Orleans and other papers owned by Advance Publications Inc. would suffer such cuts, with the daily T-P cutting back to three prints a week, echoed loudly far beyond the city and drew widespread reaction. As readers, how do you react to such news, particularly these announced cuts? Are you worried about the consequences of the daily newspaper fading away and the shifting focus to online-only publications? How would living in a city without a daily newspaper (these cuts will make New Orleans the largest such city) affect you life?

80 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 5/25/12 at 5:03

Bigger news is that The Tennessean is increasing their subscription rates by 25%- 60%, starting June 1st.
Right after they announced expanding their free Internet connectivity.
Those 5lb. Sunday paper editions will be a thing of the past.

By: Loner on 5/25/12 at 5:25

Good morning, Nashville.

As readers, how do you react to such news, particularly these announced cuts? I feel sympathy for the laid off workers and their families.

Are you worried about the consequences of the daily newspaper fading away and the shifting focus to online-only publications? Not really...it's evolution...as a species, we went from writing on clay tablets, to parchment, to paper and now we are going to electronic media.

Gutenberg's printing press put the scribes out of business; but the benefits outweighed the negatives.

The newsprint industry was consuming whole forests daily and the newsprint manufacturing process is a dirty, stinky business. It is now a moribund industry....that's not an entirely bad thing either.

How would living in a city without a daily newspaper (these cuts will make New Orleans the largest such city) affect your life? Not much. Radio, TV and the internet will fill in the gaps.....all traditional newspapers are in danger of becoming extinct....a side-effect of the advent of the internet.

By: BenDover on 5/25/12 at 5:48

Loner's point is well taken and pretty much spot-on. Makes me think back to Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 though. Government censorship and political correctness laws of Hate Speech and the like; combined with pariah frenzies could begin to erode some of our freedom of speech more easily in the more traceable online media. This common use of a fragment to discredit the whole without regard to relative value or contribution could become more and more the norm.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

By: dargent7 on 5/25/12 at 6:17

It's already been, "played out".
Facebook has 1/6th the Earth's population using it.
Right now. Today.
Get with the program.

By: govskeptic on 5/25/12 at 6:29

While what's happening to the Times-Piscayune is a blimp on the radar
of an ongoing problem with print media, it also has unique problems
within the City it serves! Having visited there over a dozen times and
twice since the Hurricane, my visits get shorter and shorter. Outside of
about 15 blocks it's a very dangerous city. Contains 15 of the nations
100 worst schools. Still a high murder rate, and although much
recovery has taken place, the population base that returned were not
exactly the cream of the crop! On my last visit I noted the free Tourist
Paper had as much info as I needed. The Times-Piscayune had very
little local news and virtually no ads from the better Tourist Businesses!

By: Ummm... on 5/25/12 at 6:31

My first job was "paper boy." Although Loner's comments are accurate, when I think about greeting the day by retrieving the morning's news at the end of the driveway, it makes me nostalgic and a little sad that those days are almost entirely a thing of the past. The way information is gathered and distributed seems to change at a breakneck pace now- although I do make an effort to keep up, the older I get, the less of a priority it becomes.

By: bfra on 5/25/12 at 6:36

I no longer take the Tennessean because of their suck up to Karl Dean, Kerr & Climer that "think" they are writers and never get a complete paper delivered. Very poor PR!

By: Rasputin72 on 5/25/12 at 6:41

Ummm.........I thought it impossible for me to agree with you and empathize with you on any subject. How wrong I was. I read your post at least three times and identified with every word you spoke. I too was a "paperboy". I carried papers in the days when one had to start as a "helper" in order to qualify for a job a "paperboy"

I remember my first route was called the peniteniary route down off 51st avenue New York,Pennsylvania and Louisiana and California. It was a poor neighborhod even then just as poor as it is today. 90% of those people subscribed to the Banner and Tennessean. Some worked in factories and had to be on the job at 7 o'clock. Many of my customers met me in the driveway at 6 A.M.

By: yogiman on 5/25/12 at 6:42

I agree, Loner. Many local newspapers will be like my local paper has been for years, once a week, who, not too long ago reduced the paper by size and gave it as an option over the internet.

And ironically, it costs you more over the internet than by print.

It's getting like the eliminations of the wired telephones. More people are getting cell phones. You don't have to be home to make, or receive, a phone call anymore.

What's going to be the next advancement in nature, eliminating the US Constitution? We don't seem to need it any longer now.

By: MrWeiss on 5/25/12 at 6:56

I wish the US Postal Service will take note and cut back to three days a week. MWF will suffice.

By: Kosh III on 5/25/12 at 7:00

"eliminating the US Constitution"

Reagan, Clinton and the Bushcovites already took care of that one. Patriot Act anyone?

Government of the corporations, for the corporations by the corporations. Plutocracy Lives!

By: Loner on 5/25/12 at 7:07

The US Constitution has been hammered, twisted, bent, stretched, truncated, distorted and man-handled to the point that we now have governance by way of special interests.

We, the People, do not have our own Super Pac....we get lip service from the pols....the fat cats call the shots...the Constitution is pretty much a quaint relic from the past.

Today, we have the Global War on Terror to fight and that means surrendering our civil and human rights for the duration of the conflict...BTW, the present holy war situation began in the 11th century, with the First Crusade....the 12th and 13th centuries also produced crusades to liberate Palestine...then things went calm ...until 1917...when the victorious allies decided to create a Jewish Homeland in Palestine...as a dumping grounds for their unwanted Jews.

When Israel declared its independence in May, 1948 the modern crusades began in earnest.....with nuclear weapons n the region, this could be the Last Crusade....Homo sapiens could commit murder-suicide over this ancient religious squabbling....Homo stupidus is a more apt moniker for our species.

Joe Lieberman had the Patriot Act all composed, edited, copied and collated for the US Congress to act upon while the fires of 9-11 still burned...he had it in the can...it was crafted in Israel. We are are indeed a stupid race of sapient beings.

By: yogiman on 5/25/12 at 7:19

So, are you admitting that about yourself, Loner? Don't call the rest of us stupid just because you are.

We all have different opinions, so, which one is right? Obviously, the other is wrong.

By: Ummm... on 5/25/12 at 7:43

Rasputin- who would've thunk it? Although we disagree on virtually all things political, we find common ground in those things that are simply "human."

By: Loner on 5/25/12 at 7:52

Stupid?

Oh Lord, I know I am one.

I actually thought that Obama would bring real hope & change...he has failed to do so...our democracy is in more danger now than it was when he took office.

These tycoon-sponsored Super-PACs are stomping out the last vestiges of representational democracy in the USA....we are on the brink of becoming a totally fascist state...a military bully with a religion problem.....we have placed the welfare of the Chosen People and the Promised Land above our own welfare....we are ripe for the plucking.....useful idiots for Jewish supremacy in Palestine.

Yeah, we are a stupid race of sapient beings.

By: dargent7 on 5/25/12 at 7:59

Obama, as bad as he may be, is light-years above a McCain/ Palin ticket.
Those two as*-hole would of bombed Iran, N. Korea, and "perhaps so", Russia, by now.
McCain only gets lead in his pencil if he's engaged in war. He'd have "the surge" in Iraq still in place. He's insane.
Obama's all we've got.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/25/12 at 8:02

LONER..........You missed your calling as an evangelist. Two beautiful sermons this morning and chocked full of truth.

By: Loner on 5/25/12 at 8:18

Why, thank you again Rasp....I am a preacher....as a member of the Church of the Subgenius, I am entitled to "cleric" status...I do not use the title of "Reverend", however....instead of that, the Subgenius flock call me "God the father-In-Law"...it's a long story.

I served as an Altar Boy from 2nd grade through 8th grade in a Catholic church...some of that stuff naturally rubbed off. I could probably fake it as a priest...but little boys and girls do not excite me.

By: slacker on 5/25/12 at 8:21

Rasp, I was also a paperboy. My route was in a new sub-division in the Porter Rd RoseBank area. I had to collect weekly from my customers, and meet my route manger on sat. to settle up. Most of my customers would make themselves readily available to pay me, but I had three I had to chase down. I remember those asshat's name's to this day. It was my first encounter with a deadbeat, taught me to respect working people. I refused to sell those lame Christmas calendars, that the newspapers forced on us to resell. It was insulting and embarrassing, to beg for holiday tips from subscribers. It was my first rebellion against authority. I was glad to have the job. I eventually hit the big time working inside in a neighborhood grocery store. Good memories, but I wouldn't want to go back to those times. This new technology is a good thing.

By: BenDover on 5/25/12 at 8:24

"I want my two dollars!" slacker

By: yogiman on 5/25/12 at 8:35

dargent7,

You make such a idiotic statement about John McCain that you knew what he would have done if he had been elected as President. Did you also know what Barack Obama was going to do when if was "elected"? Did you vote for him just so he could keep up his lies?

By: Loner on 5/25/12 at 8:38

So, Dargent is the paperboy who got the asshat's newspaper wet?

Just kidding, Darge...as a Rural Letter Carrier, I know what you are talking about...10% of the customers are saints and 10% are sinners.....80% do not even know your name.
The sinners can get you fired..and they will try to do just that.

By: slacker on 5/25/12 at 8:43

Loner, we're both men of the cloth. I'm an online minister in the Universal Life Church.
I still haven't settled on a title, but lean toward ''Great Minister Of Truth''

By: Loner on 5/25/12 at 9:02

Yes, men of the cloth....burlap, I believe.

By: brrrrk on 5/25/12 at 9:11

MrWeiss on 5/25/12 at 7:56

"I wish the US Postal Service will take note and cut back to three days a week. MWF will suffice."

There's a simple solution for the Postal Service, reverse the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act that saddles the Postal Service with the unreasonable expectation of having to completely fund the pensions and benefits for the next 75 years worth of employees within a 10 year period. Having to deal with this GOP injected poison pill forces the Postal Service to pull 5 billion out of their budget every year before dealing with any of their other expenses. This poison pill was nothing more than an attempt to force the Postal Service into the red.

By: Rasputin72 on 5/25/12 at 9:15

SLACKER......I can appreciate your standing up for your own dignity by not selling the calendars at Christmas. I needed the money and in those days you really had to be super poor in order to qualify for free stuff. I sold those calendars and appreciated the 25 dollars or so I made at Christmas. As a child before the huge welfare programs money had to be earned in order to enjoy the material things of life. I made sure dignity did not get in the way of my pursuit of happiness.

I am sorry that you did not enjoy the "good ol days" as much as I. I even remember the first television in my neighborhood. Howdy Doody and Test Pattern.

I have enjoyed televison and air-conditioning and the salk vaccine for polio. I do not remember being inconvenienced or wishing someone would invent a cell phone or a computer or for that matter making jet travel a way of life. Life was in my opinion as good as it gets in the 50's. America was on the way up and not on the way down.

By: Beernazi on 5/25/12 at 9:22

Burlap? slacker, I thought yours was taffeta.

By: yogiman on 5/25/12 at 9:26

Hate to admit you're right, Rasputin72. The US has topped the hill and its speed on the downhill side is getting faster.

Wanna see something comical? youtube.com watch?v=MWBzUuo9_eo

Don't laught too hard.

By: slacker on 5/25/12 at 9:29

nazi, my robe is Tommy Bahama.
We start each service with a Don Ho song... ''Tiny Bubbles''....

By: Beernazi on 5/25/12 at 9:35

Nice.

By: Beernazi on 5/25/12 at 9:35

The Reformed Catholic Church starts theirs with Another Bottle of Beer on the Wall.

By: Beernazi on 5/25/12 at 9:43

Amidst all the cries of Barack Obama being the most prolific big government spender the nation has ever suffered, Marketwatch is reporting that our president has actually been tighter with a buck than any United States president since Dwight D. Eisenhower.

By: Beernazi on 5/25/12 at 9:43

It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong.

The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.

Accordingly, the first budget that can be blamed on our current president began in 2010 with the budgets running through and including including fiscal year 2013 standing as charges on the Obama account, even if a President Willard M. Romney takes over the office on January 20, 2013.

By: slacker on 5/25/12 at 9:52

nazi, as stated earlier. ''Mittens'' will say": ''its gonna take some time, to clean up the mess the other guy left.''

By: Beernazi on 5/25/12 at 9:55

Yup.

By: slacker on 5/25/12 at 9:58

Rasp, nostalgia is not what it use to be.

By: Loner on 5/25/12 at 10:01

Bush & Cheney and their followers blamed Bill Clinton for everything wrong with America for a full 8 years. I expect that Willard will do the same, if Bibi Netanyahu pulls levers and gets the draft-dodging Mormon into the White House.

US policy is not being crafted in America, folks....it's been like that since the Mossad snuffed JFK in 1963...wake up already.

By: slacker on 5/25/12 at 10:02

Rasp, if I had known you were that poor.. I woulda rode my bicycle out to ''The Nations'' and gave you my Christmas calendars.
Here Rasp... ''take my calendars and go prosper.''

By: slacker on 5/25/12 at 10:08

Rasp, if you tell me you couldn't afford a bicycle, I'm gonna cry.

By: dargent7 on 5/25/12 at 10:20

re: McCain/ Palin....McCain is ON THE RECORD for saying the withdrawal from Iraq is too soon, the "surge" worked, we need to be there, "indefinitely".
Palin was on the record saying, "Perhaps so" when Russia went into Georgia "our ally" we need to attack them.
Georgia is our ally? WTF? Attack Russia? WTF?
If there is a God, it's because Obama became President.
Nitt witt Romney if elected, will attack Iran. Republicans lead with their dicks. Democrats use their heads. The top most one.

By: bfra on 5/25/12 at 10:23

slacker - Don't think they make chauffeur pedalled bicycles. lol

By: slacker on 5/25/12 at 10:29

bfra, I strongly suspect that Rasp had his man servant Jeeves, selling those calendars.

By: bfra on 5/25/12 at 10:32

LOL - Bet he had to wear white gloves, too!

By: yogiman on 5/25/12 at 10:38

dargent7,

If you are so willing accept a usurper as your president, does that mean you're also willing to accept the devil as your God?

By: slacker on 5/25/12 at 10:38

Back to subject. Latest conspiracy theory from the Grassy Knoll:
Warren Buffett buys 63 newspapers to promote Obama candidacy.

By: bfra on 5/25/12 at 10:41

slacker - Wish he would buy the Tennessean, it is nothing but a Karl Dean cheering rag.

By: slacker on 5/25/12 at 10:43

yogi, if you are willing to accept Lithium treatment daily, you will find peace, and bring peace to others.

By: bfra on 5/25/12 at 11:08

slacker - You shouldn't pick on yogi today, AR just found out that Obama's birth certificate is authentic and they will accept it. yogi's hopes are fading fast!

By: slacker on 5/25/12 at 11:15

bfra, I shouldn't pick on yogi anytime. The CP is generous enough to allow all to post here. I usually skip over his posts as most people do mine. Its just this damn heat, and I'm out of beer.

By: bfra on 5/25/12 at 11:19

Now that's bad!