Up for Debate: TSU's homecoming troubles

Monday, November 21, 2011 at 11:05pm

After shootings occurred near the TSU homecoming festivities for a second straight year, what should be done to address the situation? Should the school do more? Should the city do more?

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By: dargent7 on 11/22/11 at 6:04

Should the city do more? Sure. Pass more legislation allowing guns everywhere...parks, courtrooms, Hospitals. Invite the NRA to set up a satellite office here or move their world HDQTRS. here. They could occupy the old convention center, right across from the Police Precinct. Tourism would skyrocket and people would be safer.
....channeled courtesy of any Republican....

By: Kosh III on 11/22/11 at 7:59

Now we see why all college students must carry guns at all times....

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 8:06

Good morning, Nashville.

There's a gun-related crime reported in the NCP nearly every single day; TN is awash in firearms. There's a lot of hate and a lot of fire power in the Volunteer State; combine that with righteous indignation and lead is going to fly; it's inevitable and there is no easy or quick solution to the gun mayhem problem in TN.

You need to pass a law requiring all gun-toters to wear coonskin caps, so that the rest of the population can readily identify the frontiersmen amongst us. When an armed frontiersman walks into a gay piano bar, for example, the patrons would be immediately alerted to the potential danger.

If found armed and w/o the coonskin cap, the gun would be confiscated on the spot...no appeal....Cap or crap...no exceptions for preachers.

There, solved that one...any more "issues" need solving?

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 8:14

TSU is Gunpowder U?

You wear a Kevlar vest to the Homecoming Festivities and you pack a 44 Magnum....hey, it's local pride and a time-honored TN tradition. Wimps, simps, gimps, egg-heads, carpetbaggers and liberals are not welcome at TSU...it's the manlier Tennnessee choice.

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 8:18

TSU students are so dumb, they can't even pass a ballistics test....(Bah, Dah Boom).

By: Kosh III on 11/22/11 at 8:21

O Loner....TSU has lots of egg-head professors and liberal, nay, radical students. The only thing lacking(at least when I attended) was a decent library.

By: treehugger7 on 11/22/11 at 8:24

Thanks, Loner, that was easy!

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 8:24

"What did you learn at college today, Sonny?", asked the doting Tennessee grandmother. "How to field strip an AK-47.", her grandson replied. "That's nice,", granny said, as she warmly smiled and nodded approvingly...."You're just like your dear old departed grand dad."...pushing back a tear.

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 8:28

My pleasure, Treehugger..no charge...public service...pro bono.

TSU don't need no steenking lieberry, Kosh. The Bible is the only book one needs...Lieberry - Dingleberry...it's all the same, isn't it?

By: yogiman on 11/22/11 at 8:33

Maybe we should all move to Nu Yok where no crime is ever committed. I'm glad the "Loners" got their problem solved "up there". So, come on down, Loner. I'm sure you can control out criminals down here.

By: BigPapa on 11/22/11 at 8:34

Ahhh nice work guys.. start off by making fun of Tennesseans to avoid what the real issue is with this group.. (hint: It's not rednecks.)

By: yogiman on 11/22/11 at 9:01

You're right, BigPapa.

There is less crime in areas where the law abiding citizens are known to be carrying their weapons. It makes the criminals wonder which who might be armed. Consequently, more law abiding citizens, less crime. The criminals don't want to get shot.

Never leave home with out it.

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 9:05

What are you trying to incinerate, BigPapa? Let's hear about our "issue".

Back to the topic of the debate....Here are some hard facts from the FBI's database:

Firearms murders per 100,000 population:USA avg. 2.84. TN is rated at 3.46. NY is rated at 2.64.

Firearms assaults per 100,000 population: USA avg. 44.78 . TN is rated at 129.87 NY is rated at 11.8.

Source URL:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

Go to the source and look at the map of the USA...TN and SC are the worst states for gun crimes. Those are the born-again, Jesus freak states...something fishy about that.

And looky here...the Empire State is actually far safer than the Volunteer State, when it comes to gun crimes....who knew?

By: gwhillikers on 11/22/11 at 9:09

The cowboy movies about the Old West created a FALSE impression about gunfights in the old west, Truth is, threre were more shootings (in the back) from a dark alley than Main Street high noon killings. Does anyone actually know that the NRA is an arm of gun MANUFACTURERS?

By: BigPapa on 11/22/11 at 9:25

How many of those crimes are in Nashville and Memphis?

Look at the places that are considered the worst places to live (Detroit, East St. Louis, Compton,) compared to places that are the best with the lowest crime rate.

You'll see a correlation and you dont need a masters in sociology to figure it out.

By: gdiafante on 11/22/11 at 9:30

Stop beating around the bush, Papa. Say what you mean, if you have the stones.

By: Kosh III on 11/22/11 at 9:39

Loner

Do you have stats on how super-dangerous it is in Canada with their very strict gun control laws? I mean, let's face it, it's realllllllllllly dangerous up in Halifax, Iqaluit and Edmonton.........

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 9:44

I see your point, Papa, if we could just eliminate Memphis and Nashville, then Tennessee would be a very safe place to live...so what do we do? Nuke the cities?

If the plan works in TN, maybe we can get the Defense Dept. to help the other states with their city problem. Operation: Start From Scratch. Sounds like a job-creating master plan.

BTW, that figure for Firearms assaults per 100,000 population lists TN at 129.87. That's the highest in the nation. So what does Gov. Haslam do about it? Nada. Zip. Nuttin'.

Instead of addressing that glaring problem, the Gov. sends in several undercover cops to infiltrate the Occupy Nashville protest movement, then sends in 100 SWAT team members at 3AM to evict and arrest about 25 protesters. That was his big priority, not dealing with the appalling gun crime facts.

The biggest firearms abuser in the state may actually be the government of the state of Tennessee. I do not expect any genuine reform to come from the top down; the people will have to engage in regime change....never mind the Arab Spring...you need Springtime in Tennessee.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 9:46

I missed the festivities this year but last year I happened to be out down-town when the TSU Homecoming hit.

I didn't realize the event was that day and suddenly Nashville had transformed into Thugville. I guess it's OK... I don't really choose to live in that hip-hop urban culture that is evidently brought to a head by the event and I was quite distraught by what we experienced walking back to the condo. Imagine a black couple walking through an area where it was totally covered up with hooping and hollering red-necks in the backs of trucks wearing camo and hunting knives... and trying to be as offensive and threatening as possible; like "what the hell are you doing in our town" offensive.

That was what the TSU homecoming was like except the roles were reversed with Thugs threatening the minority whites down-town that night. The visitor bureau should put up a warning to the typical Nashville tourist to avoid the city on that night because if any did show up they certainly would never return and would do immeasurable harm by word of mouth.

After we realized it was special once a year event, however, and that Nashville had not descended to the typical pleasure of visiting Memphis and straying a block off of Beale St. then I was fine with it. I liked watching the Hooptie rides from the balcony and I guess it's just a cultural difference and everyone seemed to have a good time.

I hate it about the shootings. This glorification of the thug culture will inevitably result in some young, stupid, aggrieved-for-little-reason, punk lashing out with the anger he's been taught to harbor. Our lock-em-up society is at least partially to blame though for ruining a substantial number of lives based on minor improprieties and establishing an almost unavoidable negative trajectory in so many cases.

The litany of gun-control opportunists in this forum, though, is as predictable as it is sad.

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 9:56

Kosh, I found this:

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Total firearm-related death rate -
Canada: 4.78
USA: 15.22
Japan: 0.07

The source lists more.....the data looks fresh and credible.

By: dargent7 on 11/22/11 at 10:04

To compare Nashville to Detroit, St Louis, CA, is absurd.
The population of Nashville is 450,000.
Detroit is 2.5 million.
St. Louis is 1.8 million.
By the way, name any Republican you know who doesn't believe "more guns" would make society safer.

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 10:15

Nice post, Ben.

As for our "lock-em-up" society and its values, consider this:

The couple recently busted by the Nashville cops, for growing Cannabis (manufacturing marijuana) in their bath tub, were held on $125,000 bond each. Jerry Sandusky, facing 460 years in jail for child rape, was released after posting a lousy $100,000 bail.

So, what can we conclude about the American criminal justice system?

By: Kosh III on 11/22/11 at 10:15

"By the way, name any Republican you know who doesn't believe "more guns" would make society safer."

James Brady, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford.......

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 10:33

Add Abe Lincoln to that list, Kosh.

By: dargent7 on 11/22/11 at 10:42

Reagan? That nut-case wanted the biggest gun of them all: "Star Wars".
A global defense shield that was deemed 100% bullshit by every military personnel not on Rayethon's, McDonald Douglas, General Electric, or Boeing's payroll.

By: yogiman on 11/22/11 at 10:48

Loner,

I believe we can consider the criminal justice system being written in favor of the criminals.

By: dargent7 on 11/22/11 at 10:58

FYI: Current populations of the cities Big Papa cited (2009):
Nashville, TN 635,000
Detroit, MI 5.2 million
St. Louis, MO 320,000
Compton, CA 96,000
So, one cannot deduce any correlation between a cities name, notoriety, w/o knowing their population, proportionally, when it comes to making staements about their murders, guns, and violence.

By: brrrrk on 11/22/11 at 10:59

BigPapa said

"Ahhh nice work guys.. start off by making fun of Tennesseans to avoid what the real issue is with this group.. (hint: It's not rednecks.)"

with this group? I knew it wouldn't take long, only the 11th post......

By: brrrrk on 11/22/11 at 11:05

gwhillikers said

"The cowboy movies about the Old West created a FALSE impression about gunfights in the old west, Truth is, threre were more shootings (in the back) from a dark alley than Main Street high noon killings. Does anyone actually know that the NRA is an arm of gun MANUFACTURERS?"

The other thing that is often left out is that most "civilized" towns during that period required that guns be left outside the city limits or be left at the sheriffs office.

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 11:24

I think that Brrrk is right...guns in wild West saloons may be a Hollywood myth. In TN, they took it seriously...now you got guns in bars.

I dunno, I prefer buns in bars, as opposed to guns in bars...any "amens" on that?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 11:31

By: yogiman on 11/22/11 at 7:33
Maybe we should all move to Nu Yok where no crime is ever committed. I'm glad the "Loners" got their problem solved "up there". So, come on down, Loner. I'm sure you can control out criminals down here.

Put ass where your mouth takes you dung beetle. You would not last long in New York. The educated people would soon discover the dumb-ass you are and the others would make a bean bag out of you.

B/T/W dung beetle can’t you tell Loner your military recorded. After all fair is fair

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 11:34

From yesterday

By: bfra on 11/21/11 at 9:10
yogi read something besides troll junk - usmilitary.about.com/cs/joiningup/a/twoyearenlist.htm

Then the idiot post;
By: yogiman on 11/21/11 at 4:47
No bfra,

I never read anything about 2 year enlistments in the Army. Do you have the answers? When were the offered? How long did that offer last? What is the minimum enlistment me today? I'm sure you have the answers.

bfra-

Even after given a link to the answer, this dry up old tur* can’t find it. No wonder the GOP is willing to take in such idiots, because they give so willing their money, their time and their souls.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 11:35

Crime and suicide rates stay pretty flat regardless of the level of gun control with criminals ignoring the gun laws and people intent on suicide finding another method... accidental injuries and deaths go up because of access to guns but the same holds true with ATVs, Motorcycles, etc.

I believe that the legal right to have a gun in the house is a deterrent to crime for both the gun-owner and the household who opts not to arm because the criminal doesn't know what he might be getting into.

Here are some supportive stats:

http://www.advantagefet.com/gunfacts.htm

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 11:39

Yeah, another Bad Mix sign...Guns & Bars...to go along with Drinking & Driving, Church & State and Money & Politics...all bad mixes, IMO.

I picketed yesterday, with 2 others, in Albion, NY on the Courthouse Square corner. UU gray power...two 5th grade aged black boys (no offense intended by using the term "boys", after all, they are boys), came up to us and asked us some extremely good questions...they were brothers, about a year apart in age and dressed identically...Samuel and Samson are their names. Very courteous and respectful. Seems they are being home-schooled, we met their mom and another lady with the group..the women wore black head scarves. They may join us next time we protest...very interesting.

I wonder what they'll put on their signage. I got the feeling that these two youngsters are destined for great things...just a gut feeling...they were very bright and genuinely concerned and knowledgeable about serious issues. I was impressed.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 11:40

"If you want to hit a man in the chest, aim for his groin."

-- Bat Masterson

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 11:41

"The most important lesson I learned was the winner of gunplay usually was the one who took

his time. The second was that, if I hoped to live

on the frontier, I would shun flashy trick-shooting as I would poison. I did not know a really

proficient gunfighter who had anything but contempt for the gun-fanner, or the man who literally shot from the hip.”

-- Wyatt Earp

By: dargent7 on 11/22/11 at 11:41

What facinates (vulgarity) me about the NRA and the Second Amendment is what type of guns were available in 1791, when drafted.
Single action rifles and pistols. Maybe a musket or two.
Now, these idiots want the Second to cover and make "speed loaders", extended magazines, legal. I'm suprised they don't lobby for "silencers" to be taken off the illegal list.
AK-47's, Uzi's....No backround checks.
Misdemeanors and Felonies...check
Mental patient...check
Domestic Violence...check
There's not a gun that these pin-heads haven't handled or shot that they don't like.
Bet over half are hopped up on Viagra. Otherwise, without a gun, they are nothing.

By: brrrrk on 11/22/11 at 11:42

BenDover said

"Here are some supportive stats:

http://www.advantagefet.com/gunfacts.htm"

Well, at least it's an unbiased site......

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 11:43

As to the low hanging holsters tied to the leg, that is a pure Hollywood invention. Most gunfighters carried their pistols stuck in their waistband, in a pocket, or a in a simple leather holster slipped on a belt.

There are a number of gunfighters that whose names were well-known while they were still alive and are just as quickly recognized today, including Wyatt Earp, Billy the Kid, Bat Masterson, Bill Hickok, and Doc Holliday. Their reputations spread by word of mouth, usually resulting in a number of exaggerations and inaccuracies. These already exaggerated tales grew bigger with the retelling, often in the popular dime novels of the time. Other lesser known shootists, that saw just as much, if not more action than their well-known counterparts were men such as Ben Thompson, Tom Horn, Kid Curry, King Fisher, Clay Allison, and Dallas Stoudenmire, just to name a few.

Here, you can read about many of the "real" gunfights of the Old West, where you'll see the difference between television fiction and the real Wild West.

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-gunfights.html

By: Loner on 11/22/11 at 11:45

Again, I gotta run..y'all carry on...I'll try to make the 4:20 get together....Loner out.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 11:45

cool Earp quote nemo.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 11:57

"They say I killed six or seven men for snoring. It ain't true. I only killed one man for snoring." -- John Wesley Hardin.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 11:58

Later Loner.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 11:59

Thank Ben.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 12:30

There is no unbiased source for anything anymore brrrrk.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 12:34

Here's a pretty exhaustive and well sourced study from Cato if your wittle bwain stand it, though.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=975

By: sidneyames on 11/22/11 at 12:46

Posted by D7 yesterday: "dargent7 on 11/21/11 at 6:54
Sid: Many fly in to the cities they're protesting. They are not staying at Lowes Vanderbilt. Were you a fan of the Vietnam war protestors? Bet not.
They were unshaven, unbathed, under fed, with little sleep too.
But, their voice made Washington listen, and Nixon stopped the damn thing.
And not based on his moral ethics and righteousness either.
These corrupt Congressional fat cats in Washington will never stop the fleecing of America if left alone, listening to their "moral compass". They need an uprising, a revolt however unorganized, and a swift kick in the ass. And jail time."

Actually, Mr. know it all, I lived on the 16th floor of a high rise in Alexandria, VA at the Landmark Towers. My roommate worked at the Pentagon and I at the World Bank. Both of us were forbidden by our jobs to protest. BUT we risked our jobs to house 17 students from the University of Maryland who came down with her wack job boyfriend to protest. They ate us out of house and home; caused us to get yelled at by our apartment manager and costs us a ton in laundry money with dirty towels and sheets cause they were too stingy to bring their own food an sheets.

So, I did my share. I didn't join the military cause it wasn't a girl thing at the time. In retrospect, I think I would have made a great drill sargent cause my students in Montana (when I was substituting there) called me SARGENT MRS. Ames.

Anyway, have a nice day and quite assuming you know what people did when they were young.

Occupy Wallstreet is no comparison to the men and women who gave their lives at Ohio State and other places in our country to protest wars and civil rights. Occupy Wall Street has no solution except to trash the universe.

By: sidneyames on 11/22/11 at 12:49

After shootings occurred near the TSU homecoming festivities for a second straight year, what should be done to address the situation? Should the school do more? Should the city do more?

The school should do less: Less football; less functions for these people who do not know how to behave in a public situation.

The city should do more: Arrest more; enforce the law more and let them spent MORE time behind bars.

But I'm sure the status quo will remain the status quo! Unless Obama calls for martial law so he can remain President for eternity. (Just kidding)

By: bfra on 11/22/11 at 1:12

sidiot said - So, I did my share. I didn't join the military cause it wasn't a girl thing at the time.
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So sidiot doesn't know much about the military! Nothing new!

By: brrrrk on 11/22/11 at 1:32

BenDover said

"Here's a pretty exhaustive and well sourced study from Cato if your wittle bwain stand it, though.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=975"

Feeling a little dick-ish today, aren't we?