Up for Debate: TSU's homecoming troubles

Tuesday, November 22, 2011 at 12:05am

After shootings occurred near the TSU homecoming festivities for a second straight year, what should be done to address the situation? Should the school do more? Should the city do more?

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100 Comments on this post:

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 12:44

Sorry Brrrrrk that wasn't very nice. I apologize.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 12:44

new By: sidneyames on 11/22/11 at 11:46
Actually, Mr. know it all, I lived on the 16th floor of a high rise in Alexandria, VA at the Landmark Towers. My roommate worked at the Pentagon and I at the World Bank. Both of us were forbidden by our jobs to protest. BUT we risked our jobs to house 17 students from the University of Maryland who came down with her wack job boyfriend to protest. They ate us out of house and home; caused us to get yelled at by our apartment manager and costs us a ton in laundry money with dirty towels and sheets cause they were too stingy to bring their own food an sheets.

How of the fire the old hag black pulls another fantastic tail to make her twisted point.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 12:47

sidneyames should never miss a good chance to shut up.~ Judge Roy Bean

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 1:19

I made a yogi on my 12;44 post it should have Out not How

By: yogiman on 11/22/11 at 1:23

How much do you know about the military, bfra?

I normally don't "look" at your recommendations on your posts but I did look into the one about two year enlistments last night. The only thing I could find was the phrase 'two year enlistment'. I couldn't find when it began.

When I was discharged in December 1955 there was a minimum four year enlistment. They had even taken the three year term based on your 21st birthday clause.

Did they, then, set up the two year term between 1955 and 1967? Couldn't find out when it was started. And I really don't care, I was just curious. They did have a "deal" you could serve for two years and remain in the reserves for four more years.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 1:29

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. yogiman and rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.-- Will Rogers

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 1:40

Old Fogi, why can't you tell Loner about your military days? After all you wanted to know his.

By: zebrotha on 11/22/11 at 1:43

Gun control is the most advantageous to thieves, rapists, murderers and political exploiters; all people who use the threat of violence to get what they want, and prefer unarmed victims. That says it all about liberal support for gun control.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 1:46

I own guns and I think there is a need for gun control.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 1:47

You can't tell how good a man or a watermelon is 'til they get thumped. ~ Judge Roy Bean

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 1:51

Think about zebrotha.

The bigger a man's gun the smaller his doodlewick. ~ Calamity Jane

By: yogiman on 11/22/11 at 2:03


To be blunt, my military records are none of your damn business. You could find out who I am and where I live. I'm sure you can find my military records.

If Loner want's to compare mine to his, let him ask. Until then, I'll repeat: Its none of your damn business.

By: consultmlcesq on 11/22/11 at 2:10

During this reactionary era in which we live, Gannett's classified subsidiary, Career Builder, boldly flaunts it's "monkey-free" employment campaign, making it no secret to those who are adept that employers are not seeking to hire Blacks - to whom they attribute laziness, shiftlessness, lack of integrity, unproductivity, lack of competence and criminality.

With that in mind, it disturbs me that a few hoodlums out of a huge crowd insist on feeding the negative sterotypes, rather than acting in defiance of them, proving that Blacks are not "the depraved animals" that we are representated to be; thereby enhancing and improving the reputation of our people, our valued institutions and traditions?

TSU is not to blame; nor are the thousands who attended the parade with nothing more than school pride and a good time in mind. There was a great police presence, even at this intersection. Yet, this incident still occurred. One would think that Wendy's would have had camera's on its lot, since this is the second such incident, occurring within two years. Already one festival has been moved from the Jefferson Street Location; and as a result it has lost its fervor and draw.

Judging by some of your entries, it is perfectly clear that the only solution you seek is to close down historically black institutions and incarcerate all blacks - as deceptively advocated by a 2008 Replacements cartoon episode. It cleverly and clearly conveyed the message: we don't need a new black zookeeper; we only need to find a better way to keep the animals confined - especially the black panthers, and the monkeys, who in the episode were eventually restored to their "slavery to prison" subservient and submissive roles.

By: bfra on 11/22/11 at 2:25

yogi - You kept yammering "you had never heard of 2 yr. enlistment". I showed you there was 2 yr.. Now if you want to know, when, where, how & for how long, look it up your own bemuddled self.

By: brrrrk on 11/22/11 at 2:27

yogiman said


To be blunt, my military records are none of your damn business. You could find out who I am and where I live."

Paranoia will destroy ya.....

By: bfra on 11/22/11 at 2:27

Nemo - I doubt dumbarse has a military record! Nothing else he has post is fact, or at least without verification.

By: jvh2b on 11/22/11 at 2:29

consultmlcesq - put it back in the deck. What a complete load of horse manure (well 99% of it anyways)

Just where are you pulling your assumptions about career builder? I've been on that site for years and have never seen anything remotely like what you claim.

While I will give you that a few people screw it up for the rest of the group and that some attitudes on here are rather archaic...I have to sadly admit that their bias is based in some reality. Crime rates among persons of color are far higher than those outside of that qualification. I would be interested to hear your take on that and any ideas/solutions you would have.

By: brrrrk on 11/22/11 at 2:32

The link pretty much says it all.....


By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 2:32

"I see racist people" consultmcesq

By: brrrrk on 11/22/11 at 2:35

BenDover on 11/22/11 at 2:32

""I see racist people" consultmcesq"

And of course we all know it doesn't exist.....

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 2:39

Far more hypersensitivity to racism exists today than racism itself.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 2:41

... evidence consultmlc's rant about career builder monkeys.

By: jvh2b on 11/22/11 at 2:42

thanks Ben -- now my monitor is clean from the water I just spewed on it after reading your last comment...lol

By: gdiafante on 11/22/11 at 2:50

Racism is alive and well, even if some are too blind to see it.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 3:00

I think the crime problem results because we conform with the norms and mores of society to the degree we believe the game is fair. For a long long time in the African American community the game was not fair and to a smaller degree, still it is not fair today.

The question becomes to we succumb to the unfairness as rote... do we teach young black men to emphasize unfairness and to break society's rules because of it; or do we teach them to persevere. Why not acknowledge the history but laud the advancement... and point out that many of the challenges in the young black community are offset by opportunities now available to those willing to reach for them.

If we foster nothing but the idea of unfairness in the low income segment of the black [hispanic and other minority] population then we will continue to see young black men justified in their mind in breaking society's rules. In truth it hurts society some but we can resort to the non-value added process of caging the animals. Who it really hurts are the young minorities themselves because they are not taught that winning without breaking the rules is within their reach.

Programming computers pays a lot better than stealing cars. Keeping large portions the black community in the rut of believing the American dream is unattainable to them and keeping them at the mercy of continual race politicking is a huge social and cultural failure in this country.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 3:06

By: yogiman on 11/22/11 at 2:03
To be blunt, my military records are none of your damn business. You could find out who I am and where I live. I'm sure you can find my military records.
If Loner want's to compare mine to his, let him ask. Until then, I'll repeat: Its none of your damn business.

Old t_rd-

Lying about things and when confronted to show proof, you go into a song and dance about it not being any business of mine. So you don’t have a military record, but yet you always are butting into other peoples business.

By: yogiman on 11/22/11 at 3:17

Yes, bfra, I do have a military record. Do you? What war did your serve in?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 3:23

No you don’t old fogi. You might have won wars with your G.I. Joe dolls.

And UFO sightings don't count as a military record.

By: brrrrk on 11/22/11 at 3:29

So Ben, what you're basically saying is get over it? Let me guess, you feel like you've had no advantage based on over a hundred years of racial oppression; there is no such thing as white privilege? Give me a break, that's like expecting someone to be able to catch up in a foot race when they've had one leg hobbled through half the race.

By: bfra on 11/22/11 at 3:31

yogi - Unlike you, I never claimed I did. If I had, I could offer proof, unlike you and either way, I wouldn't question someone, like Loner's military record that offers proof of everything he post. At least I know enough to know there was a 2 yr enlistment, unlike you.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 3:41

What I'm saying is that dwelling on it does more harm to a person than good.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 3:41

The military must be desperate to have half wits. Or maybe he was in charged of the head, because of his expertise in crap.

I got to go now, see you later.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/22/11 at 3:43

Good night Ben and remember that Loner and I will take care of you. ;-)

By: brrrrk on 11/22/11 at 3:46

BenDover said

"What I'm saying is that dwelling on it does more harm to a person than good."

Get over it........... pay no attention to the fact that you were uneducated and oppressed, had your families taken away from you, were beaten and hung for daring to want to be equal.... it's all good.

By: bfra on 11/22/11 at 3:59

Taking guns from legal gun owners will not solve the problem, either. The robbers, killers & thugs will still get guns.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 4:01

Thanks Nemo.... have a great night.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 4:14

There is a time for advocacy brrrrrk... and some people find their calling as advocates.

Keeping young black men mired in a futile 60's mindset just to perpetuate the cause rather than teaching them they can and should reach out and enjoy the fruits of the successes is damaging to society, to the black community and ultimately to the cause itself -- though not the machinations of the industry that benefits from the causes perpetuation.

By: dargent7 on 11/22/11 at 4:29

Sid: Ohio State?
I think you meant Kent State.
All Ohio State is known for is getting their ass's kick'd by both Michigan State and Michigan.
Thank you very much.
And, I apologize for Brarak O. and myself for being 10 years old during the Tet Offensive.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 4:29

causes -> cause's

By: yogiman on 11/22/11 at 4:32


If you had anything in that skull of yours, you would not argue I questioned Loner on his service. Apparently you can only read what you want to think.

I simply asked about the two year enlistment because they didn't have such short enlistments when I was in. As I previously stated, when I went in, you could be discharged on your 21st birthday if you served at least three years.

To help you understand the reason for that...back then, you had to be 21 to vote. You didn't become a "mature" adult until your 21st birthday.

It well after I became an "adult" before they decided the youth should be able to vote at the age of 18 because they were volunteering for the services and willing to die for our nation. Besides, that got them more votes.

By: yogiman on 11/22/11 at 4:37

oops, sorry, children. Its time to go home. I hope you didn't have to work too hard today.

By: dargent7 on 11/22/11 at 4:37

You know Ben, that verb transit and dangling participle (euphemism in Republican lexicon for "limp dick") will get you every time.
That's what Cialis is for. Viagra, neat.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 4:46

I like my Patron chilled, my JD with one cube of ice... and my Chivas neat, darge.

By: dargent7 on 11/22/11 at 4:50

Bottom Line: I believe the USA has over 20,000 homicides a year.
#1 in the World.
If "guns" were the answer to domestic situations, altercations, discrepancies, arguments, then America would have the LOWEST incidence of violence, murder, and death.
How hard is that for even a 5th grader to figure out?

By: dargent7 on 11/22/11 at 4:53

Chivas neat? I thought you'd be a 12 year, single malt guy.
I'll raise you one, "Slippery Slope" ( lap dancer at Pure Platinum), and call.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 5:12

I was approached by a hooker named Champagne on Murfreesboro Rd @ Fessler near the waffle house once. I bet that and raise you a Fauxlex I won at a turkey shoot.

By: nashmusic2244 on 11/22/11 at 5:43

Not using my taxdollars!

1. TSU officials should suspend indefinitely these gatherings where thugs and crime is taking place.

2. If TSU officials want to still allow these activities to take place, do it on your own campus. With your own security and police at your or charge each participating student a fee to attend.

3. Whenever this TSU event begins to take shape, the talk of the town is to stay away from where ever it is taking place. This is not fair to the dozens of merchants and businesses in that surrounding area where the TSU event will take place that lose money because of these thugs.

By: zebrotha on 11/22/11 at 7:47

Captain Nemo...

Calamity Jane was wrong... while some people believe a small doodlewink is comparable to a lack of intelligence, that is not actually the body part used for thinking.

Lots of people, gun owners included, support politicized gun control as necessary to the defense of civilized societies. Why else would history be full of lone tyrants and a few thousand military compelling the self destructive servitude of numerically superior millions.

By: BenDover on 11/22/11 at 9:07

zebro strikes a chord... it will be easily dismissed by the "you're and idiot!!" crowd but spot on.

By: i.am.a.taxpayer on 11/23/11 at 8:53

The math is simple: the more guns people have, the more shooting that will be done, including shooting people accidentally AND intentionally.

The key word in the question is NEAR. Just because something happens near something does not mean it is their responsibility.

TSU has some responsibility to maintain security on its own property, but the Metro Police have the responsibility across Davidson County.

Periodic efforts to improve the Jefferson Street area will never do any good if people are afraid to go there. We have heard that crime is down for many years, but it certainly doesn't seem that way.