Up for Debate: U.S. military option in Syria

Tuesday, July 23, 2013 at 12:26am

The Pentagon has reportedly detailed U.S. options for intervening in the Syrian civil war. To what extent should the U.S. get involved beyond its current role of supplying weapons to rebels? Is further involvement warranted or should the U.S. avoid it as much as possible?

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By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 10:53

How do we know Zimmerman was indeed walking back to his car? When Trayvon took off running so did Zimmerman - you can hear it on the 911 call. No one was around to witness what Zimmerman was doing and he's the only one telling the account. On the call it sounds like he is pursuing Trayvon. He also lied about a number of things including his knowledge of the Stand Your Ground law.

By: Libertine on 7/23/13 at 10:54

Zimmerman broke no laws, it is not unlawful to follow someone. Zimmerman was active in the community and was a concerned citizen. Had Trayvon simply asked Zimmerman if he was following him, they could have shared some skittles, went on their merry ways and all would have ended well.

It is unlawful to ambush, restrain and beat someone who is following you. Trayvon decided that instead of being civil he would live out his MMA fantasies and go all Mike Tyson on Zimmerman. Trayvon's unlawful and violent attack of Zimmerman cost him his life.

Had Zimmerman not been armed the best case ending for Trayvon would have been felony assault and battery with time in the big house. If Trayvon's attack went unchecked and Zimmerman had died from his wounds then Trayvon would have been facing murder charges.

The outcome was the result of Trayvon's decision to ambush and violently attack Zimmerman.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 10:54

Zimmerman caused the situation and it ended with the death of an unarmed kid.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 10:56

That's exactly why the Stand Your Ground law in FL is being questioned. If Zimmerman had not been armed his happy a$$ would've stayed in the car and called 911 and the police would have investigated.

By: brrrrk on 7/23/13 at 10:56

yogiman said on 7/23/13 at 11:49

"Simply put, it he had walked on to his father's girlfriend's house, he would not have died."

Translation; If that boy would have run away like a good black should, none of this would have happened.... Lawd knows we can't have them blacks talkin' back now... can we?

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 10:57

It's easy to see who & what is speaking up for Zimmerman. Quacks! By the way, I don't know anyone that wouldn't have helped people in a wreck except maybe Quacks. Trayvon, IMO, would have been right there helping, had he been alive & in the area of the wreck.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 10:57

Zimmerman sustained superficial wounds. If his head was being bashed against the pavement why didn't he have a concussion? It's not hard to get a concussion.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 10:58

Indeed, brrrk.

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 10:58

Why do you Trayvon admirers think Zimmerman is a coward who would only carry a gun? Why has a gun manufacturer offered him a gun for free? Could it be because Eric Holder wants to keep his gun as a "souvenir"?

By: brrrrk on 7/23/13 at 10:59

Blanketnazi2 said on 7/23/13 at 11:57

"Zimmerman sustained superficial wounds. If his head was being bashed against the pavement why didn't he have a concussion? It's not hard to get a concussion."

Soccer players get them all the time from heading the ball.... AND ironically without any blood.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:00

Hell, even I've had a concussion. I fell years ago and there was no blood or anything. I was shocked when the doc told me I had a concussion.

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 11:03

B2,

I wonder what you would think of a man who was voluntarily patrolling your neighborhood when many burglaries had been committed.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 11:07

Lordy! Lordy! yogi where is a report on many burglaries? Why was Zimmerman not sent to the hospital that nite, no stitches & according to you quacks, he was having the tar beat out of him? Yogi just LIES & LIES ON EVERY SUBJECT!

By: dargent7 on 7/23/13 at 11:07

Re: Syria....NO! I can't believe we're arming even the rebels" Who, exactly are these 'rebels'?
Look at Karzai take all our billions and what does he do with it?
And where is Saudi Arabia during all these Mid-East skirmishes?
They have an Air Force, more Princes than M. Jackson, and the King has more money than Bill Gates.
They're always silent.
And re: Ben's Trayvon Martin's case.....it's civil rights, profiling, and manslaughter all rolled into one.
Had Zimmerman followed orders and left Martin alone, the Police 9/11 could of investigated why a black man wearing a white hoodie was walking in the rain in a white neighborhood.
Zimmerman is a pariha like Bernard Goetz in NYC was when he shot 4 black youths.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:10

yogi, I'm on neighborhood watch myself. Have been for years. We notify the police when we see suspicious activity and we have quarterly meetings with them.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:11

Never in my neighborhood has anyone on neighborhood watch pursued a suspicious person. We alert everyone through the listserv and call the cops.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:13

I would be pissed to no end if someone on our watch team grabbed a gun and pursued someone. Stray bullets kill people. There's no need for that. That is why we have a police department.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 11:14

Blanket - That is what normal, law abiding citizens do. You can't expect the troll to know what normal is.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:14

True.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 11:16

Blanket no stray bullets in the Zimmerman murder, power burns on Martin's clothes. Zimmerman could have hit him on the head with his gun, if he just wanted his off, he didn't have to shoot him.

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 11:17

Ah, I understand you mental problem now, B2. Sorry you had the concussion.

What do you think about Barry waiting until Congress' recess next month to sigh that gun bill with the UN?

"The United States is pleased that the United Nations General Assembly has approved a strong effective and implementable Arms Trade Treaty." - Secretary of State John Kerry

Apparently our Constitution doesn't mean anything to him (hell, it never has). We'll soon see if the Senate approves his signing in his obvious effort to become dictator.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:22

bfra, it kills me when these people claim that Zimmerman got the hell be out of him. He sustained a couple of scratched. His clothes were not stretched or torn. He didn't look like a man who had been in a serious scuffle.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 11:22

Brainless blob is worried about someone else's mental problem he thinks, Joke of the day! The poor old blind blob should be worried about his own.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:22

s/h/b scratches.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:23

bfra, it's one of his damned dementia loops again. Crazy old coot.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 11:26

Blanket - Main point, he wasn't even seen by a doctor! On another subject, I think it should be against the law for a juror to make money off of their service. Their thought train could be hampered by the thoughts of, if this case goes one way or the other, I could make more money.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:31

Yep, he didn't want to be seen by a doc. Since he just shot someone he didn't want a doctor's report officially showing only minor injuries. If he was aware of the Stand Your Ground law then he knew that as well.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:33

If he had sustained injuries he would have gone to the doc to get a report to use as justification.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 11:36

Bottom line, as of now Zimmerman is a cold blooded murderer, venturing back out in public & wanting is killer gun back.

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 11:39

Two questions, B2, and all of you others can answer them, too.

1. Who struck the first blow?

2. What would you have done if you was the one on the bottom getting your head bashed against the pavement and had a gun in you pocket? It's incomprehensible to think any of you would lay there and led someone bash your skull and possibly kill you.

So then, let me ask a 3rd question; Would you?

By: gdiafante on 7/23/13 at 11:40

As I understand it, the only relevant issue in regards to the law is if Zimmerman felt that his life was in danger. Not if he was, but if he felt that he was. If he did, then under the existing law, he did nothing wrong.

Both were at fault. Zimmerman should have never followed Martin and Martin should have never assaulted Zimmerman.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:42

That's why the law needs to be changed.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:45

http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/why-stand-your-ground-is-really-kill-at-will/

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 11:46

Another question: How would all of you "protesters" think if the races of the two young men were reversed; a young white man on top of a young black man slamming his head onto the pavement?

I'm curious: Would your complaints be the same?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 11:47

Prior to the enactment of these laws, Americans always had a right to “stand their ground” on their property and use lethal force against home invaders. Centuries of English and American common law have long recognized that there is no place to retreat to when cornered in one’s own “castle.”

The law did, however, require individuals to retreat from physical confrontations in public if they could safely do so. If you were cornered in an alley, pinned to the ground or otherwise out of options to retreat, you could defend yourself with lethal force. But if it’s possible to just turn around and walk away, go home and sleep it off, and avoid escalating the conflict, the law required you to do so.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 11:53

Bottom line - If Zimmerman had followed instructions, Trayvon would be alive. His fault!
To the brainless blob: Yes I would take the same stand had the victum been White or any color for that matter.

By: BenDover on 7/23/13 at 12:34

You guys are still saying Zimmerman defied the operator. There's absolutely no evidence that this is the case and in fact he got out of the car to ascertain the answer to a question asked by the operator.

This is full on confirmation bias of an initially misreported case. The level of delusion here would be really interesting to study if it wasn't such a tragedy.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 12:40

This is full on confirmation bias of an initially misreported case. The level of delusion here would be really interesting to study if it wasn't such a tragedy.
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Since you must have all of the evidence to back up this hilarious claim, let's see a showing of that evidence. Have at it ole boy! If you can!

By: gdiafante on 7/23/13 at 12:41

Ben, at some point Martin realized he was being followed (direct testimony at the trial), which means Zimmerman was following him. He may not have by the time the operator asked him about it, but by then they were on a collision course that was completely avoidable had they both made better decisions.

By: brrrrk on 7/23/13 at 12:43

BenDover said on 7/23/13 at 1:34

"You guys are still saying Zimmerman defied the operator. There's absolutely no evidence that this is the case and in fact he got out of the car to ascertain the answer to a question asked by the operator."

How did he end up outside of the car? Did Martin pull Zimmerman out of the car... with one hand while he was talking on the phone? C'mon Ben, you're supposed to be smart... think about it.... Christ, you guys will tell yourself anything to justify your position....

By: Libertine on 7/23/13 at 12:44

President Obama said in his speech Friday that he had been followed around in stores. Did he have the right to restrain and beat the follower as you claim Trayvon was justified in doing?

By: BenDover on 7/23/13 at 12:44

Like not trying to pummel the neighborhood watch guy to death, gd?

By: brrrrk on 7/23/13 at 12:47

On the other hand, why should expect any kind of rational thought from someone (Ben) who can't leave his house without his binky?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 12:53

You mean the one who didn't even get a concussion?

By: BenDover on 7/23/13 at 12:56

The operator asked Zimmerman which way Trayvon went and that's when he got out of the car to try to determine this. When the operator said, "we don't need you to do that" Zimmerman said OK and headed back to the meet the cop. Two minutes after hanging up the phone with the dispatcher (not 911 btw) the police arrived and the whole thing had gone down Trayvon had commenced with his 'beat down' and was shot by Zimmerman in self defense.

All of the information about Trayvon's history is available to us now that was not available to the jury; including his interest and participation in fighting, his pictures of his drug use and guns on his phone, his desire to obtain a gun, his desire to obtain the critical ingredients of the Hip Hop popular 'Purple Drank' that he claims to have enjoyed before, the information about his school suspensions over drugs, stolen jewelry, etc...

Trayvon was a victim, but it wasn't of George Zimmerman. It was of a political ideology and culture that taught him to rage against civil society rather than participate in it.

By: brrrrk on 7/23/13 at 1:00

BenDover said on 7/23/13 at 1:56

"Trayvon was a victim, but it wasn't of George Zimmerman. It was of a political ideology and culture that taught him to rage against civil society rather than participate in it."

Translation: He just didn't act white enough....

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 1:03

Ben, it doesn't matter what Trayvon was doing prior to that. That has nothing to do with it which is why it wasn't presented to the jury. This whole event shows that the Stand Your Ground law doesn't work. It creates vigilantes.

And as far as what Zimmerman said he was doing - well, there's no one around to contradict him, huh? Even the jurors said that he made unwise decisions. He probably wouldn't have been outside his vehicle if he hadn't had a gun. In fact, he didn't need to be following anyone around in the first place. If you see someone who appears suspicious, call the police and let them handle it.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 1:03

Exactly, brrrrk.

By: Libertine on 7/23/13 at 1:04

By: brrrrk on 7/23/13 at 2:00

BenDover said on 7/23/13 at 1:56

"Trayvon was a victim, but it wasn't of George Zimmerman. It was of a political ideology and culture that taught him to rage against civil society rather than participate in it."

Translation: He just didn't act white enough...."

Right, instead of acting like a thug and attacking Zimmerman, Trayvon could have just asked Zimmerman why he was following him, that would have had a good outcome for all involved.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 1:05

As for this so-called beating that Zimmerman experienced - if you're assaulted you go to the emergency room to document your injuries for purposes of the court. Zimmerman refused to go - he knew he did not sustain any injuries. He was not "pummeled."