Up for Debate: U.S. military option in Syria

Tuesday, July 23, 2013 at 12:26am

The Pentagon has reportedly detailed U.S. options for intervening in the Syrian civil war. To what extent should the U.S. get involved beyond its current role of supplying weapons to rebels? Is further involvement warranted or should the U.S. avoid it as much as possible?

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By: brrrrk on 7/23/13 at 1:06

Look Ben, I get it..... your afraid of blacks, browns, all kinds of different people.... but at least have the guts to look yourself in the mirror and come to grips with why that is... don't try to hide it behind some psychobabble "rage against civil society" bullshit...

Frankly, I really do feel sorry for you... how awful it must feel to wake up every day thinking that every one but whites are out to get you...

Oh, and by the way... 86% of white homicides are committed by whites... so I wouldn't trust them either.

By: Libertine on 7/23/13 at 1:07

People get involved and help the police everyday, it's called being a good citizen.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2010/11/21/189036/Pair-Arrested-After-Woman-Follows.aspx

Pair Arrested After Woman Follows Robber, Gets Tag Number
Sunday, November 21, 2010

http://www.wpbf.com/news/south-florida/Palm-Beach-County-News/Woman-sees-bank-robbery-follows-suspect-on-I-95/-/8815578/17480782/-/hwtnpyz/-/index.html

Woman sees bank robbery, follows suspect on I-95
Police dispatcher told good samaritan to keep following Matthew Gaylord
UPDATED 9:00 AM EST Nov 20, 2012

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new-hampshire/2013/03/04/police-customer-follows-robber-vehicle/hpcGN5IMehqAH6KC8kQtIN/story.html

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Police say a customer who walked into a CVS store while it was being robbed in the New Hampshire city of Manchester helped track down the suspect after he fled the store.

By: gdiafante on 7/23/13 at 1:08

That's right Libertine, just as Zimmerman could have reported Trayvon without pursuing him. It's not that difficult to understand that neither party is innocent here but one party is quite dead.

And Ben, blanket is right, the only thing that matters is what happened once Martin was spotted by Zimmerman. Anything else is pure speculation, irrelevent and, let's be honest, only repeated by you because of your own confirmation bias.

By: BenDover on 7/23/13 at 1:08

It has nothing to do with Stand your Ground... this was simple self defense.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 1:09

Ben - Still waiting on your evidence to back up that 1:34PM comment!

By: BenDover on 7/23/13 at 1:11

Wikipedia has it all documented and sourced. Go read it yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

By: gdiafante on 7/23/13 at 1:12

That's your source? LOL

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 1:13

gdiafante - Libertine is right on the reporting & I didn't see in any of his references that an unarmed person was killed.

By: BenDover on 7/23/13 at 1:13

About two minutes into the call, Zimmerman said, "he's running".[13] The dispatcher asked, "He's running? Which way is he running?"[76] Noises on the tape at this point have been interpreted by some media outlets as the sound of a car door chime, possibly indicating Zimmerman opened his car door.[77] Zimmerman followed Martin, eventually losing sight of him.[13] The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah", the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay."[78] Zimmerman asked that police call him upon their arrival so he could provide his location.[13] Zimmerman ended the call at 7:15 p.m.[13]

The link has the audio.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 1:15

Ben's source is his over biased imagination!

By: gdiafante on 7/23/13 at 1:15

Uh oh...I think I just spotted a guy with sandals, some rolling papers and a bag of potato chips...even though those are quite legal, I am going to interpret his actions as selling marijuana laced with LSD to a two-year old, so I'm going to have him arrested. I can't prove it, but that doesn't matter because it's possible.

Yeah...pretty f'ing stupid, Ben.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 1:16

Ben - So why didn't Zimmerman leave it alone when told to?

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 1:18

And yogi even saw where he was going to mix up something with those skittles. LMAO

By: brrrrk on 7/23/13 at 1:19

BenDover said on 7/23/13 at 2:08

"It has nothing to do with Stand your Ground... this was simple self defense."

And the legal definition of self defense changed when the "Stand your Ground" law was put into place.

Prior to the "Stand your Ground" law, juries were instructed that the self defense option could not be considered if the person claiming self defense was also the original instigator of the event(s) leading up to the crime. If this were still in place, Zimmerman could not have claimed self defense in the first place. So, yes..... it has everything to do with "Stand your Ground", even though THAT defense was not used.

By: BenDover on 7/23/13 at 1:20

Well... CNN posted an absolute lie about it inconsistent with the transcript and recording, gd.... so who are you going to believe.

Timeline:
February 26, 2012 - George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain in Sanford, Florida, calls 911 to report "a suspicious person" in the neighborhood. He is instructed not to get out of his SUV or approach the person. Zimmerman disregards the instructions. Moments later, neighbors report hearing gunfire. Zimmerman acknowledges that he shot Martin, claiming it was in self-defense. In a police report, Officer Timothy Smith writes that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and back of the head.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/05/us/trayvon-martin-shooting-fast-facts

Emphasis mine: This is wholly inconsistent with the raw recording and transcript but it IS what a politically biased media wishes for you to believe. It's no wonder you guys believe what you do but what I can't understand is why seemingly reasonable people will not let the facts staring them in the face interfere with their bias and predispositions on this.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 1:26

Whoa Ben! Bias? Don't blame your faults on others. Since I assume you was not present the night of Trayvon being murdered, you don't know any more about Facts that anyone else that wasn't there. So go keep yogi company with the hogs!

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 2:00

Your feeble mind apparently doesn't know what the word truth means, bfra. So why don't you contact the Sanford police department and ask how many burglaries had been committed in that neighborhood in the last year? Let us know what they reported to you.

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 2:09

Sorry for your lack of legal knowledge, bfra. If Holder pulls his stunt off, there will be a different jury. When the trial you're sitting on the jury is over, you're "out the door" and won't be called back very soon... if ever.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 2:11

yogi - Talking with you head up your a** doesn't make any sense!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 2:20

It's a sad day when someone calls an investigation regarding civil rights a "stunt." It speaks volumes about the person saying it.

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 2:22

Sorry, B2,

On your 2:03 post you stated (in effect) Trayvon's past didn't have any effect on that. I beg to differ. Think of your own past and tell us it hasn't been a guide to your way of thinking today.

If it hasn't, what's made you to be the person you are today?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 2:27

yogi, his past had nothing to do with the trial. It does not excuse his murder.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 2:28

yogi - If you can get your head out long enough, look up George Zimmerman's criminal history. He sure didn't have a clean record!

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 2:32

I'm sorry, bfra. It does take someone with a little intelligence to understand. I'm sorry you don't qualify.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 2:35

I understand yogi, you wouldn't know how to act with your head out of your a**, that's OK.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 2:44

Here's an example of why Stand Your Ground doesn't work.

Imagine your daughter walking home from the store.

A man in a car starts following her. He gets out and continues to follow her then he starts chasing her when she runs.

She knees him or pepper sprays him and he shoots her dead.

She was the aggressor and he is justified in shooting her in "self defense."

Get it?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 2:46

It doesn't matter if there had been prostitutes in the area or if the girl had been in trouble before. Stand Your Ground is a law that does not work.

By: Libertine on 7/23/13 at 3:02

Meanwhile back on the ranch............

I think we should stay out of it. We don't know who we are arming and in that part of the world sometimes a ruthless dictator can bring stability.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-russia-simultaneously-announce-intent-145729405.html

" Meanwhile, the weapons Russia intends to deliver are of the S300 surface-to-air variety — which make enforcing a Western-backed no-fly zone all that much more dangerous, not to mention improbable.

The weapons transfers for the Americans have met resistance from within Washington political ranks. Vetting rebel groups in the middle of a civil war is a very difficult process.

"I think we also have to expect that some of the weapons we provide are going to get into the hands of those who would use them against us," Representative Adam Schiff, a Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, told Reuters."

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 3:04

It's easy for you to claim, bfra, but it seems too hard for you to explain. You mention George Zimmerman's crimes but apparently don't know what crimes he's committed. Read the article at:

www.westernjournalism.com/the-truth-about-george-zimmerman/ Are they lying in your sense in ignorance?

By: Libertine on 7/23/13 at 3:12

"By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 3:44

Here's an example of why Stand Your Ground doesn't work.

Imagine your daughter walking home from the store.

A man in a car starts following her. He gets out and continues to follow her then he starts chasing her when she runs.

She knees him or pepper sprays him and he shoots her dead.

She was the aggressor and he is justified in shooting her in "self defense."

Get it?"

In your scenario the girl is under attack if he is within knee distance, and the girl is standing her ground.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 3:12

By: Libertine on 7/23/13 at 4:02
Meanwhile back on the ranch............

I think we should stay out of it. We don't know who we are arming and in that part of the world sometimes a ruthless dictator can bring stability.

I completely agree with that. We were arming Al Qaida years ago and look where we are now.

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 3:15

Has any of you read about Jesse Jackson's new staff member? Hurray for the Democrats. Jackson's new staff member is Mel Reynolds. Who is Mel Reynolds? Well, he's a former Chicago Democrat congressman. He was among 176 criminals excused in Bill Clinton's last-minute forgiveness spree. Reynolds received a commutation of his six-and a-half-year federal sentence for 15 convictions of wired fraud, bank fraud and lies to the Federal Election Commission. He is more notorious, however, for concurrently serving five years for sleeping with an underage campaign volunteer.

This is a first in American politics: An ex-congressman who had sex with a subordinate... won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate...then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate.

His new job with Jesse Jackson? Youth Counselor!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 3:15

How is the girl under attack? He is only following her and there's nothing illegal about that (just like Trayvon). What if she feels threatened and knows martial arts and he pulls out a gun and shoots her. Couldn't he said he FELT threatened? See, therein lays the reasons why the law as written doesn't work.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 3:17

Brainless blob - Since you can't remove your head from your a** long enough to search, read the following. Maybe for once you can understand plain English:

www.allvoices.com/...zimmermans-criminal-records-revealed - Cached

By: MamaG on 7/23/13 at 3:19

Oh my good lord! I am just sick to death of hearing about it already!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 3:19

Hey, MamaG.

:)

By: MamaG on 7/23/13 at 3:20

Hey blanket! ;]

By: Libertine on 7/23/13 at 3:23

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 4:15

"What if she feels threatened and knows martial arts and he pulls out a gun and shoots her."

Her kung fu would be very strong and she would just dodge the bullets............

Stand your ground didn't apply to Zimmerman, he was unable to retreat or runaway because Trayvon had Zimmerman restrained on the ground as he was beating him. Zimmerman's case was simple self defense that would have had the same verdict in any state in the nation.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 3:25

It's not simple self defense when you pursue someone, Libertine. It was avoidable.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 3:26

The law as written is flawed.

By: MamaG on 7/23/13 at 3:26

I also want to say I do not think it was right for President Obama to have said anything about his own personal dealings with racial profiling. We all have dealt with some form of bigotry in our lives, I'm sure. Where is his outrage for black on black crimes? What about black on hispanic or any crime at all for that matter. What does he think of the black man in Cleveland that was arrested for being a serial killer? Crime is crime is crime. It shouldn't matter who commits it--it's all wrong.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 3:26

You feelin' better, MamaG?

By: MamaG on 7/23/13 at 3:27

Not back to 100% yet, blanket, but thanks for asking! You doing alright?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 3:28

Yeah, not bad - thanks.

Gotta go. Have fun!

By: MamaG on 7/23/13 at 3:31

Take care...looks like I got to the sandbox too late today! LOL Evening everyone...

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 3:34

For those of you who don't seem to understand why Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen (as required by our Constitution) with a Kenyan father, I thought you might like to "hear" about a man named Reed Hayes. Reed Hayes, you ask? Well, Reed Hayes is a forensic document expert who may be the man to bring Barry down.

He has written a scathing 40 page report on Obama's birth certificate.

You might say; so what, many others have also, so what's the difference? Two words: Perkins Cole.

If those two words don't sound familiar, they should. It's the law firm that first represented Barack Hussein Obama in virtually every single eligibility challenge and Reed Hayes has done extensive work and testified for Perkins Cole.

So how will Obama's lawyers discredit a forensic document expert that their own firm extensively relied on? If they do, that will discredit every case Hayes was involved in for them on behalf of Obama.

And by the way; Perkins Cole will be the law firm representing Obama before the Alabama Supreme Court. Will they be able to get Hayes to reverse his findings?

Let's see.

By: Libertine on 7/23/13 at 3:34

By: Blanketnazi2 on 7/23/13 at 4:25

"It's not simple self defense when you pursue someone, Libertine. It was avoidable."

It is assault and battery to ambush and beat someone who is following you.

I'm sure that celebrities wish is was legal to put a beat down the paparazzi, but it isn't.

By: bfra on 7/23/13 at 3:52

Blow yogiwnd blow! There are bigger winds a coming.

By: yogiman on 7/23/13 at 4:34

You can bet your sweet little posterior on that, bfra. You won't be able to display your ignorant arrogance after it's over.

By: budlight on 7/23/13 at 7:42

y: MamaG on 7/23/13 at 4:26
I also want to say I do not think it was right for President Obama to have said anything about his own personal dealings with racial profiling. We all have dealt with some form of bigotry in our lives, I'm sure. Where is his outrage for black on black crimes? What about black on hispanic or any crime at all for that matter. What does he think of the black man in Cleveland that was arrested for being a serial killer? Crime is crime is crime. It shouldn't matter who commits it--it's all wrong.

Mama, what Blanket failed to say was that usually when someone is sprayed with pepper spray, they are grounded and can't see to shoot. So her example does not work for me.

I agree with you about the president "projecting" his feelings on every situation. In my 66 years, I have never hugged my purse tighter because of a black man (or woman); have never been scared in an elevator due to a black man getting in and actually in the day when I felt comfortable giving rides to hitchhikers, I have picked up both men and women of ALL races and only one radical bushy headed white guy on the NJ turnpike scared me. He was looney.

Obama doesn't think anything of the black man in Cleveland or any place else being arrested.

Think about this: If black men are the largest number of men in prison per capita, hasn't Jessie & Al had plenty of time to actually do something to help black men (and women) in this area? They don't care. They just want to shuck and jive and rake in the bucks as does o'drama. He's got some real issues. When Casey Anthony was acquitted (and we all suspect she did something wrong), why didn't George Bush say "oh gee, she could be my daughter"? BECAUSE it was none of his business as president.

obama is an interloper. Butts in where he has no business. And he was probably doing drugs at Trayvon's age and didn't get caught. Skittles is a drug concoction prepared with the iced tea, skittles and robitussen. Trayvon had it in his system.