Up for Debate: U.S. soldier attacks Afghan civilians

Monday, March 12, 2012 at 12:44am

What does the report of a U.S. Army sergeant methodically attacking Afghan civilians mean for both countries? Does this, coupled with the recent report of Marines urinating on dead bodies, indicate a deeper issue within our military?

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By: dargent7 on 3/12/12 at 4:42

I thought the Marines incident was the wosrst it could get.
Now this guy goes nuts, a week after the Qu'ran burning.
"Winning the hearts and minds"...b.s.
We shouldn't even be there.

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 5:26

We shouldn't even be there.

This

By: Kosh III on 3/12/12 at 6:04

"We shouldn't even be there."

By: Kosh III on 3/12/12 at 6:08

Leave Afghanistan, lock stock and barrel. It's government is illegitimate, having stolen the last election, it does not serve our national interest. And getting out includes all the "advisors" and spies etc etc

Get 100% out of Iraq as well. Last year the State Dept ALONE spent 6 billion dollars in Iraq.

Close most or all of our bases in the EU, Japan, Korea, Middle East, Latin America and elsewhere. They are prosperous enough to defend themselves.

Non-intervention is the best policy. We do NOT need to be a global Empire, nor the World Cop.

By: treehugger7 on 3/12/12 at 6:19

Amen, Kosh! We don't need any more debate--we just need out!

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 6:21

In the past I've been hesitant to accept your suggestion Kosh, but it would seem that technology has advanced to the point where maybe we don't need all the bases. Drones seem to be effective. But, they do need to be launched from somewhere...so we keep a few strategically placed bases open, close the rest.

And I think all the ME occupations must end...and end now. It's a losing proposition. If Iran needs taken out, and Israel doesn't do it, we don't have to be in Iraq or Afghanistan to do it.

By: Ummm... on 3/12/12 at 6:23

Now that Osama is gone, the reasons for staying in Afghanistan become increasingly dubious. Does our continued presence there really enhance our national security?

By: Rasputin72 on 3/12/12 at 6:23

We have no business in Afghanistan. As for the soldier, I am sure he was just fed up with the mess our government has made with the Army itself and quite possibly with the culture that exists in Afghanistan.

During WWII this would have never made the media and privately some General would have given the soldier a pat on the back.

Wars today obviously have rules that are different from wars fought over the past 2000 years.

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 6:32

The only reason we're still there is a presumption that the vacuum created in our absence would allow the Taliban to thrive. Someone needs to tell them that they already are.

By: yogiman on 3/12/12 at 6:34

None of us knows the circumstance that caused this to happen but it's always 'blame the GI' by most. Something could have happened that caused a dreaded response.

Wait until you know the situation before casting the blame.

Isn't it funny how the news media can give this to the public moments after it happens but can't seem to find out who Obama really is after several years?

By: govskeptic on 3/12/12 at 6:49

This soldier was on his fourth deployment over there, which says a lot
about what brings this type incident! AG Eric Holder may wish to have
the Taliban to handle any Court preceding!

By: yogiman on 3/12/12 at 7:08

Eric Holder should be tried for treason along side Barry Soetoro.

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 7:11

It's likely that something did happen, yogi. That doesn't justify killing civilians. With the Koran burning, they're just looking for excuses...this wraps it up with a nice ribbon and bow.

It isn't going to end will in Afghanistan.

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 7:20

s/h/b well

By: Captain Nemo on 3/12/12 at 7:33

Leaving Afghanistan would be a mistake, just like we did when the Russians left. In doing so will leave the door open for another terrorist grope to set of shop. However after this I am afraid that our staying will only make matters worst.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/12/12 at 7:36

From Friday

By: yogiman on 3/9/12 at 12:57
How can Rush Limbaugh be criticized for calling the young woman what she described herself to be?

yogi needs to pull his head out of his ass and breathe some oxygen.

By: yogiman on 3/12/12 at 7:37

In a sense, nothing justifies killing a civilian, gdiafante, especially children. But we don't know if those civilians were put in that position purposely.

And if what I have read and heard about the burning of the Koran; they were using it to pass messages under the name of their bible.To me, using their bible as a secret message book would justify burning them.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/12/12 at 7:39

Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer.
-Dave Barry

By: yogiman on 3/12/12 at 7:44

It would be great if you could see beyond the end of your nose, dumba$$. Hopefully, you will gain a little knowledge and mature with you old age. But I'm afraid you aren't maturing very well with that pod of peas locked into your skull.

What did you think that young woman described herself to be, a fun loving young woman that only wanted to be paid to screw?

By: pswindle on 3/12/12 at 7:47

It is hard for me to believe that Geo. Bush lied to us to start wars in the Middle East. No one has ever won in that region, and they have drained our resources to the break. This is where our money has gone and we will never be whole again until we are out of there.

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 7:50

The hypocrisy of the right knows no bounds. They criticize women for being promiscuous. They criticize women for using contraceptives. They criticize women for getting abortions. They criticize women for having too many babies.

They criticize women.

Unless you're rich, white and male, voting Republican is voting against your own interests.

By: BenDover on 3/12/12 at 7:52

Rasputin72, our military does not advocate nor has it ever tolerated the indiscriminate murder of civilians by our soldiers.

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 7:54

Bush didn't lie regarding Afghanistan. He said we'd retaliate, we did. He said it wouldn't be quick, it hasn't been. He said we'd have to have resolve, we did, but after 10 years it's starting to erode.

Now Iraq's another story...

By: BenDover on 3/12/12 at 7:55

You've got those White House talking points down pat there gd. Wonder if this year's Big Lie will get any traction with the voters.

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 8:02

Sometimes talking points and the truth are not mutually exclusive, Ben.

By: yogiman on 3/12/12 at 8:10

I agree with you on your description of women in sex, gdaifante, but there are also male whores and prostitutes. They just don't have to worry about getting pregnant.

I've always thought of it as odd; the women get pregnant, go through the time to "build" the baby in her womb, and possibly go through much pain to have the baby. But just because he impregnated her, the man is given the domineering role in the baby's name and nation of birth.

I'm sure it's changed, but the women used to domineer in a divorce, simply because; [if a child was involved] they had bodily created the child.

By: BenDover on 3/12/12 at 8:14

That's a very broad brush your team is painting with there gd... plus it wholly ignores the fact that NO ONE is talking about banning birth control. It's a contrived issued designed to scare women into not voting for Republicans.

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 8:17

Just about as broad a brush as labeling women who use contraceptives as whores or sluts, no?

No, no one is advocating banning contraceptives yet, but their contempt for them has surfaced with this issue. I think women are finally beginning to realize just how narrow-minded these nuts really are.

And yes, I use the broad brush when that faction has hijacked your party. If you don't think so, prove me wrong.

By: yogiman on 3/12/12 at 8:31

I don't recall where the simple use of contraceptives to avoid possible pregnancy was an issue in labeling someone a slut or whore.

Isn't that what you call someone for charging for the use of their bodies for "sexual pleasure"?

By: Captain Nemo on 3/12/12 at 8:34

By: yogiman on 3/12/12 at 8:44
It would be great if you could see beyond the end of your nose, dumba$$. Hopefully, you will gain a little knowledge and mature with you old age. But I'm afraid you aren't maturing very well with that pod of peas locked into your skull.
______________________________________________________________
For a man that has got his head up his ass, you can’t discuss about any ones nose until you see your own.

BTW if been old mean that you have gain any knowledge, then yogi you must still be in diapers. Oh wait you are, wearing Depends now aren’t you.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/12/12 at 8:35

yogi with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/12/12 at 8:40

By: yogiman on 3/12/12 at 9:31
I don't recall where the simple use of contraceptives to avoid possible pregnancy was an issue in labeling someone a slut or whore.

Of coarse you don’t remember yogi; your brain (and I use the word brain loosely) is not capable of millisecond memory.

By: BenDover on 3/12/12 at 8:40

I think women, et al, are beginning to realize how narrow-minded these guys are being portrayed.

Rush taking a shot at this political activist who was asking the taxpayers to pay for her inconsequential promiscuity might have been far enough below his normal standards to bring on the heat; but it pales in comparison to the likes of people like Maher who throw that rhetoric around all the time.

This whole thing was a set-up... birthed out of some democrat strategy meeting months ago to scare women of Republicans. Rush's taking the bait and all the subsequent faux outrage is something we have to live with I guess... but none of the candidates have proposed banning birth control; and to continue to say so is ludicrous; as is the media amplifying this issue to drown out reasonable criticism of this president's record.

It's hard-ball politics and that's fine (except for the media double-standard) but don't pretend some moral high-ground in protection of women's right to birth control. That's just in-genuine.

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 8:51

This whole thing was a set-up... birthed out of some democrat strategy meeting months ago to scare women of Republicans.

Ben, meet yogi. Yogi, Ben. You two have so much in common, namely, conspiracies.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/12/12 at 8:53

Ben, I thought you would were better than to keep on apologizing for Rush’s big mouth. The man takes a little bit of information and turns it into a monumental propaganda piece.

“A half truth is a whole lie.”
Yiddish saying

By: yogiman on 3/12/12 at 8:54

BenDover,

I don't want to sound oblivious, but I can't see this man sitting in that office as sitting there legally with all of the evidence he wasn't constitutionally eligible to run for that office.

And if he was the past Constitutional scholar he claimed to be, he knew what he was doing, and why.

By: Captain Nemo on 3/12/12 at 8:55

This all the time I have today for fun. I got to go to work now.

BTW don't waste to much time on the zero. lol

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 8:56

...the media amplifying this issue to drown out reasonable criticism of this president's record.

Maybe the candidates should read your suggestion. It seems to me that they've shifted from attacking the President about the economy to creating these social issues because they realize that (1) as the economy improves, they can't win, and (2) no one is very excited about the GOP candidates so what better way to reinvigerate the base than to initiate a culture war.

But yeah, it's all the media's fault...lol

By: gdiafante on 3/12/12 at 8:57

I don't want to sound oblivious...

Too late.

By: BenDover on 3/12/12 at 9:01

Look at Fluke's handlers gd.

Look at the ridiculous attempt by Stephanopoulos ahead of this whole debacle trying to get Romney to bite on the birth control issue.

The fact is that no candidate wishes to ban birth-control and to continue to say so is simply political rhetoric aimed at scaring women.

No conspiracy (unless you include the media's collusion in the matter)... but, just as I said, hard-ball politics that should be labeled by reasonable people as such.

The media is always Headlining with Obama's defense to whatever his critics say about him. How about a little equal time by reporting that none of these candidates are for banning birth control?

By: yogiman on 3/12/12 at 9:02

gdiafante,

I think you should look conspirator up right after Barry Soetoro's name. But, being on that man's side, I understand your thoughts. Try youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU and let me know what you think.

You might also want to look at thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/07/ breaking-big-deal-news-tea-party-nation.html

Just who is in the Oval Office?

By: BenDover on 3/12/12 at 9:04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxPLEJNjnBQ

By: Rasputin72 on 3/12/12 at 9:12

BENDOVER........I certainly agree that our government does not "advocate" the killing of civilians. I think that would be media suicide. I think wink,wink is in order until the media gets their hands on it. Then that is when the "My God",this is murder" comes about from the government.

I think that is a fair way of handling a delicate situation don;t you?

By: BenDover on 3/12/12 at 9:21

Raspy, you've seemed like a pretty reasonable person up until today. The General pats him on the back for mowing down civilians? Good lord, man... what the hell have you been smoking?

By: BenDover on 3/12/12 at 9:24

Where are you lone one?

By: Loner on 3/12/12 at 10:21

Late to the party....hello, Nashville!

As for the trigger-happy sergeant who killed these civilians over the weekend, IMO, he should face courts martial....let the legal eagles decide.

Urinating on bodies....burning Qurans....US soldiers going berserker...Holy Wars Suck....they suck the humanity out of human beings....they suck the reason out of reasonable people...they suck national treasuries dry.

It's time to get out of the Holy War business.

Time to pull the plug on the war lobby...Defense, Israel & Energy...you gotta fight all three, or you are spinnin' yer wheels.

By: Loner on 3/12/12 at 11:26

Ever wonder how much the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq are costing us? The total, since 2001 is over 1.3 trillion dollars according to this site....it has those running tallies for each war and the total:

http://costofwar.com/en/

By: pswindle on 3/12/12 at 12:48

Bush first went into Afghanistan, and then he changed his mind and he wanted Iraq, so the lies began. By the time he again focused on Afghanistan, it was too late, the enemy had regrouped against us. It has been HELL from that point on. We could build them a new country and it would be destroyed in a matter of days. Some people cannot be helped. Bush knew this, but his only goal was to go after the leader of Iraq. Can you believe that we let this man steal an election? We would never had been in this shape had VP Gore been able to take ofice. We will pay dearly for this stolen election for many years to come. Don't blame our Presdient, go after Bush.

By: BenDover on 3/12/12 at 1:12

What lie did Bush tell, pswindle? This question has been thrashed and adjudicated hundreds of times and if there was any shred of evidence that Bush lied he would have been drummed out of office.

The fact is that we went into Iraq with a large bi-partisan consensus including almost all of the Democratic house and senate leadership. When the political winds shifted though, so too did those democrats, and the Bush Lied! meme was born to cover their tracks.

Thank God Bush had the stones to see it through in Iraq and get the job done because if it had been left up to his critics (including, of note, Obama) then Iraq would have been abandoned in '05... lost to certain chaos and civil war making our exodus from Vietnam seem like Disney World by comparison.

Turns out though that even Obama knew we couldn't just abandon Iraq but it was just a convenient albatross with which to hang Bush because of public opinion; as was the war on terror policy that Obama railed against and has largely continued; as was the whole Katrina 'bush is a racist' political theater that played out in the living-rooms of America on another issue where they tasted a little republican blood in the water and it lit a media feeding frenzy over that unprecedented natural disaster.

Among all of this you are unwilling to criticize Obama who, by loner's numbers, spends the total cost of 10 years in both wars every 16 month in domestic deficit spending over-trend and who blew a half trillion in TARP repayments on God knows what (someone please tell me what he blew this on and why no one cares).

So how come this dolt gets an absolute pass on doing four fold everything you rail against Bush about?

By: Kosh III on 3/12/12 at 1:47

"We found the weapons of mass destruction" Bush May 2003

"Iraq will not require sustained aid" Mitch Daniels 3/2/03 now Gov of IN

"Major Combat operations have ended" Bush 5/1/03 Fallujah anyone?

Rumsfeld said the war would not last 6 months.
Wolfowitz said Iraq could quickly pay for it's own reconstruction.
Cheney sated without a doubt that Iraq had WMD's.

Powell resigned because he knew his speech to the UN was based on lies, he's just too chicken to tell the truth.