Up for Debate: What to do with unemployment benefits?

Sunday, December 4, 2011 at 11:27pm

What's your take: Should unemployment benefits be scaled back in this jobs climate? Does Tennessee face a shortage of work or a shortage of work ethic? 

38 Comments on this post:

By: pswindle on 12/5/11 at 12:47

The benefits were taken care in 2009 to cover Tennesseans out of work. What does the Lawmakers want to do with the extra money that is now in the unemployment benefits. This is what happens with the GOP has control? Scary!!!!!!!!!!!

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 3:40

Tennessee voters got what they vote for.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 3:42

By: Captain Nemo on 12/2/11 at 6:28
Shut up yogi.

Cain will quit the race tomorrow. He is now making settlment to his wife,trying to keep her from taking him to the cleaners.

By: Loner on 12/5/11 at 6:27

Good morning, Nashville!

I left this reply on the main thread for this particular story:

Quote: "Sen. Stacey Campfield, R-Knoxville, has called for drug-testing workers as a condition for unemployment benefits."

Campfield must be getting kickbacks from the highly profitable drug-testing industry. Let's start the drug testing with the lawmakers themselves...starting from the top down...all their staff members too.

Of course, they don't enforce laws from the top down; in Amerika, we start with incarcerating the poorest citizens first...lawmakers are often exempt from the laws they themselves enact.

Making drug tests a prerequisite for receiving entitlements could be a slippery slope into heretical Christian theocracy and more Nanny State governance.

Off Topic: Congrats to the Titans...the Bills are now going for the draft picks, I guess, their coach will be signing up for unemployment bennies soon.

One good piece of news, Mr. Pepperoni is out of the race...the Republican Party should be ashamed of itself for presenting such a poorly vetted, arrogant dumb-ass as a serious GOP presidential contender.

And now the Republican coven offers us Eye of Newt....another Dick Cheney, without the personal charm...a lawmaker, turned lobbyist, turned lawmaker again? No way, baby, no way!

Looks like our Reneger-In-Chief will be given a second chance to renege on more of his promises...he'll do ANYTHING to get re-elected....of course, every US politician will do ANYTHING to keep his or her job....Obama is no different.

By: Loner on 12/5/11 at 6:36

Storyline - The Unemployment Christmas Story - Tenessee Style - 2011:

Ebeneezer Scrooge wants to take back the Christmas goose that Tiny Tim's family got from the welfare department....Scrooge bribed the politicians and they now want Tiny Tim's dad to pass a drug test in order to get the government goose....Scrooge's miscreant nephew runs the Drug Testing lab....Scrooge gets to keep all the geese that the poor folks no longer qualify for.

By: dargent7 on 12/5/11 at 6:47

Republicans, by and large, are made up of, and attract, a "Me" society.
Listen to fatso Gingrich's answer to the OWS protestors: "Take a bath and get a job".
And no one question my $500k charge account at Tiffany's and the $1.8 million I got from bailedout Freddie Mac".
Cain was obviously in love with himself.
Both these idiots proclaim their affairs were in their wife's best interest and that of the country.

By: Loner on 12/5/11 at 7:15

Amen, Darge.

I dragged this post here, it's from the main board on this unemployment issue:

Let's examine what is being proposed here. The Republican party and it's Tea Party fringe has bought into the stereotype that right-wing hate radio has created to describe the typical unemployed American worker.

This stereotypical image is that of a lazy slob who sits around all day watching cable TV, getting drunk and getting stoned - gaming the system and milking the working public for undeserved perks.

So, what's next on the agenda for the "limited government" Republicans? Will there be random sobriety tests of beneficiaries for this and other govt. programs?

Will Cable TV and other luxuries be prohibited, if one is receiving govt. benefits?

Will we extend these added "clean & sober" pre-conditions (for qualifying for entitlements) to programs like Educational Loans, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid?

This sort of nanny state, morality-based lawmaking is hard to stop, once the wall of separation between church & state is breached, as it has been in states like Tennessee.

By: Loner on 12/5/11 at 7:28

Hey, if you liked Dick Cheney, you're gonna love Newt Gingrich...same kind of resume....politician-turned-lobbyist-turned-politician...the revolving door between govt. and the special interests keeps on turning.

Sperman Cain was a highly paid lobbyist who wanted to go into politics...that's tougher to do...but when a politician-turned-lobbyist decides to re-enter politics, the re-conversion is a lot easier to accomplish. The masses can be assesand they often are; the major political parties count on it.

The born-agains are so hate-filled, when it comes to recognizing the Mormon faith, they'll nominate anybody but Mitt....Newt Gingrich will be their default choice. A clear front-runner may not emerge. The GOP Convention could hold some shocking surprises....will Jeb Bush, tanned and rested, step in and save the party of Lincoln?

By: treehugger7 on 12/5/11 at 8:20

We need to drug test our legislature! E.G. Stacy Camp! Better yet, we need to give IQ tests to potential nominees. That would really thin the republican herd!

By: dargent7 on 12/5/11 at 8:28

"The Donald" Trump is making the rounds on the tv shows. Disclosed his net worth: Co. has $7. billion and $300 million in cash on hand.
Tell you what: I think Obama could beat Gingrich or Romney. Certainly Perry and Bachmann. The very thought of either of those 2 or 4 becoming President is sickening.
But 4 more years of Obama means nothing but b.s. and more gridlock. The "White Man's Club in WA. will never back anything Obama says or does.
I'll vote for Trump if he runs.
He'll kick some serious ass in the W.H.
If I can just get past that orange skin and hair style. Perky, pouty mouth, too. Sandusky?

By: GoodGrief on 12/5/11 at 8:57

I posted this over on the main board, it makes the same sense here...

By: GoodGrief on 12/5/11 at 7:29
If there are no people receiving unemployment benefits who are not really attempting to find work, and not sitting on the couch getting high, then this is a moot point. It will not affect anyone,... right?
We can't have it both ways here. Either there are people who are abusing the system or there are not. If there are, they are tarnishing the respectability of the people we all agree are deserving.
Fiscal responsibility is something we try to teach to our kids. If your going to spend your money, don't just throw it away. Spend it where you are getting what you pay for..... I'm just sayin'..

By: BenDover on 12/5/11 at 9:29

I know several people who used unemployment insurance as extended vacation pay up to the end of extended benefits. It's really not uncommon at all. It is, however, a total political loser with no real up-side to point it out.

Since the government is largely responsible for the economic uncertainty and regulatory advance that caused this horrible job market; such a push is a mine field and the politicos who go down that path are going to pay for their ignorance.

It's like pointing out that the minimum wage kills jobs. It ruin's the 'feel-good' they get from spending other people's money.

By: dargent7 on 12/5/11 at 10:16

There are many out there, usually and mostly republicans, who know of ONE 'abuser" of the system, therefore "ALL" abuse the system.
Tenn. is on the low end of the UN-employment spectrum: a maximum of #275. a week for 20 weeks.
In Hawaii, it's $655. a week for the same time.
Obviously, cost of living.
Plus these people qualify for Foodstamps and a FREE cell phone.
The FoodStamp maximum for a single person w/o children is $200. a month.
On tv last week, "20/20", had a mother of 3 received $600. a month.
The reality is in Tenn., $1,120 is the monthly ceiling and with rents at $600. -$800. a month, electric at $50.-$80. to $100., water at $25.....plus a car payment of $175. + Insurance at $50.....see that being on UN-Employment isn't extending one's vacation pay.
Marijuana is currently at $300. an ounce for "stink-weed" or Mexican garbage.
Where do all these drug addicted bums get another $300. a month for weed?

By: dargent7 on 12/5/11 at 10:21

I forgot Comcast Triple Play, at $120. a month. Drop the phone land- line and it's still $75. w/o any extras like porn sites you Republicans also think they're watching.
The UN-Employed are dead in the water w/o the Internet trying to find a job.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 11:37

“I’m not a natural leader. I’m too intellectual; I’m too abstract; I think too much.”
~Newt Gingrich, admitting that he’s an intellectual elite incapable of leading.

By: BenDover on 12/5/11 at 11:39

The misnomer is these people are starving and supporting kids two and a half a week. I know three guys who were living with their girlfriends the whole time they were drawing; and one guy who overlapped it with starting his Social Security benefits.

If someone needs charity then let's call it charity. Extending the unemployment insurance benefits to 6 or maybe 9 months given Government's culpability in the horrible job picture is OK but 24 months means we are well into charity range.

I don't mind charity really for the same reason... government did a lot to cause the problem... but with charity comes some discrimination based on means and it's time for that.

it's a loser politically though... just like I said about minimum wage.

By: BenDover on 12/5/11 at 11:40

Sadly Obama never has admitted this to himself much less the victims of his warped world-view.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 11:56

“If the Soviet empire still existed, I’d be terrified. The fact is, we can afford a fairly ignorant presidency now.”
~Newt Gingrich, saying that it’s okay for the President to be ignorant.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 12:09

Obama’s warped world view; that Republicans are reasonable people. They would never let the country fall in ruin, just so they can have the power and control. You got a point Ben.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 12:17

Cain will give his support to any GOP candidate that will give him the VP.

By: dargent7 on 12/5/11 at 12:41

Ok, Ben, I realize you're in the running for The 2011 Gandhi Award, but....
The USA "can afford" $4. billion a month Freeing the Iraqi people" and other complete wasted nonsense in Afghanistan but turns it's back on Americans?
You think the Iraqis are out looking for jobs? They're as lazy as Americans.
They burn American flags, effigys of our President, and shout "Death to America!"
The 3 guys you know sleeping on their girlfriends couch, receiving un-employment say the same?

By: Loner on 12/5/11 at 1:02

Corporate welfare - that is to say collective welfare - is fine, according to the party of the rugged individualists; but helping out individuals presents a "moral hazard". That's a major flip-flop, baby.

When it comes to screwing the most vulnerable of our citizens, while rewarding the filthy-rich fat cats, the born-again Republicans are number one....what we are talking about is American faith-based fascism.....the Republicans claim that they are putting Christ's message into action....apparently Jesus hated the poor, he loved the wealthy and admired the military.

By: Loner on 12/5/11 at 1:11

Jeb Bush, Rudi Guliani or Sarah Palin may be forced to step forward this fall, at the GOP-TP Convention, to save the Grand Old Party....I don't see how either Mitt or Newt can consolidate enough power to win the nomination on the first ballot. The media circus may continue....I love to watch Republicans eating their own...very entertaining.

Notice how Ron Paul has been written off by the US mainstream media...he's got more brains, relative experience and common sense than the rest of the pack combined...his only problem is that he has been blackballed by the Israel Lobby and their media cohorts.

I could support Ron Paul for POTUS....Obama is a reneger!

By: dargent7 on 12/5/11 at 1:16

The entire "Mission Statement" starting from G HW Bush in 1991 to GW Bush in 2003: We need to, Free the Iraqi people" was their mantra. "It's NOT about the OIL".
20 years of this shit, and what do we have to show for it?
We trust al-Maliki over Hussein? Karzi, who's brother is the biggest heroin supplier in Afghanistan to the United Staes and abroad?
Republicans can always be counted on to take tthe wrong turn: ethically, morally, spiritually, financially, then blame, "the Democrats".
Anyone who'd vote for Newt Gingrich has one's head up one's ass. Fully.

By: yogiman on 12/5/11 at 1:23

BenDover,

Charity used to be just that; charity. It was given to people who need the help until they could get back on their feet. It worked very well until many of them began to understand they didn't need to get back on their feet.

Them welfare came into the picture. Drawing welfare is just a simple job now. And it buys more votes. People also used to "work" to feel they were earning their pay. Most people were ashamed to draw a welfare check. Today? Many feel it their due pay for existing.

I recently read where approximately 47 percent of the people were on welfare and it seems to have increased every year for the past several decades. What will happen when that crosses the 50 percent mark?

By: Loner on 12/5/11 at 1:32

I would not write off the Newt just yet, Darge, his resume contains the kind of things that the special interests like to see. He takes money from the poor and gives it to the rich - Robin Hood in reverse - he works for the Sheriff of Nottingham, not the poor and oppressed people who live in Sherwood Forest.

Newt's demonstrated contempt for the OWS movement should remove all doubt about his elitist arrogance and his smug certitude. Newt's a narcissistic wise-ass with no observable moral compass...another Junior Bush type...more articulate, perhaps, but without the cowboy boots and royal family pedigree.

By: Loner on 12/5/11 at 1:38

Of course, a sex scandal in the White House could upset the political apple cart...let's hope that Mr. Obama can keep it in his pants.... the GOP-TP has probably hired several professional bimbos, to sexually entrap President Obama...that's their only hope at this point...the Birther thing and the Muslim thing just have not worked out as planned...they need big dirt and they need it NOW!

By: yogiman on 12/5/11 at 2:19

Loner,

If Barry is a Muslim, as he admitted on the George Stephanopolous show, can't he have a room full of "wives"?

Our culture has changed drastically in the past 50 years. There is now more people living together as "roommates" rather than a married couple.

Fifty years ago the woman would be a whore and the man a whore monger and it was a shameful way to live. What's the difference today other than the current culture?

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 3:33

By: yogiman on 12/5/11 at 12:23

BenDover,
Charity used to be just that; charity. It was given to people who need the help until they could get back on their feet. It worked very well until many of them began to understand they didn't need to get back on their feet.

Them(sic) welfare came into the picture. Drawing welfare is just a simple job now. And it buys more votes. People also used to "work" to feel they were earning their pay. Most people were ashamed to draw a welfare check. Today? Many feel it their due pay for existing.

I recently read where approximately 47 percent of the people were on welfare and it seems to have increased every year for the past several decades. What will happen when that crosses the 50 percent mark?

Charity is still charity, but a simpleton would get that confused.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 3:34

Where did you read 47% dung beetle? Give us a link.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 3:45

By: yogiman on 12/5/11 at 1:19
Loner,
If Barry is a Muslim, as he admitted on the George Stephanopolous show, can't he have a room full of "wives"?

As I suspected the dung beetle get this from edited video. That makes yogi a old fool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 4:04

Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you are not rich, blame yourself!
Herman Cain

By: bfra on 12/5/11 at 4:31

yogi-pogi - Get a life! Your time with the sheep has addled what little you have left in your brain cavity.

By: yogiman on 12/5/11 at 5:06

I agree, bfra. Perhaps some day in the future, you might learn enough about life to grow a little intelligence: But I doubt it. That empty pea sized pod won't hold enough.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 5:18

How would you know about intelligent stupid? You surly don’t have any.

By: dargent7 on 12/5/11 at 5:36

He has none, and don't call him Shirley.

By: Captain Nemo on 12/5/11 at 5:38

Who yogi?

By: pswindle on 12/5/11 at 10:33

When benefits are taken away, we will fall into a state of poverty. What then? Tennesee will become a state of crime and starvation. The schools will have to offer more meals to more people. The chain reaction will touch every person in TN one way or the other. You need to go to the unemployment office to see how many apply each and every day. The greed in this country will put us in a third world status.