Up for Debate: Wine bill advances

Wednesday, February 27, 2013 at 12:51am

With the passage of the latest wine-in-grocery-stores bill out of a Senate committee, what chances do you think it has of ultimately being passed in its present form? What concessions do you feel should be made by one or both of the sides involved?

39 Comments on this post:

By: gdiafante on 2/27/13 at 6:11

I'm not holding my breath...this is Tennessee.

By: yogiman on 2/27/13 at 6:32

Isn't this similar to the "beer battle" a few years back? Wine can be considered a health food item to buy with your groceries.

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 8:28

Good morning, Nashville.

Wine in the grocery stores, or whine in the liquor stores?...that, my friends, is the question.

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 8:39

With the passage of the latest wine-in-grocery-stores bill out of a Senate committee, what chances do you think it has of ultimately being passed in its present form? What concessions do you feel should be made by one or both of the sides involved?

The bill is flawed, it kicks the issue down to the county level...more BS for the consumer to deal with, more opportunities for sweetheart deals. It may not pass anyway, so my point may be moot.

"Concessions"? By whom? The liquor store monopoly, the grocery store chains, the politicians, the do-gooders or we, the people? Let the people decide, let the the others make the concessions.

This is nothing more than a small but powerful special interest, the 500 liquor store owners, versus the majority of voting-age Tennesseans. A potent special interest vs. the large, but unorganized general interest.

According to reports, a lousy $100,000 was all that was needed in campaign "donations", from the liquor store owners, to thwart the will of the people the last time this thing went up for a vote....that's a tremendous bang for the bribing buck....your legislature sells out relatively cheaply.

And the spokesman for the liquor store gang, Chip Christianson, vice president of legislative affairs for the Tennessee Wine & Spirits Association, has the chutzpah to say: “They’re, (The grocery stores are), just trying to circumvent the legislative process.” Look who's talking, Chip is the campaign-cash bag-man for the special interest opposing the will of the people....git a rope!

The grocery store chains need to out-bribe the liquor store lobby....sadly, that's the only way that "democracy" works in this republic. A hundred grand is peanuts for the big grocery chains...pay up already!

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 8:55

Isn't it odd...when it comes to Public Education and Civil Rights Law, the state wants to grab power from the cities, but it wants to delegate power to the counties...on certain issues, like the wine in grocery stores issue...very odd. Of course, if we follow the money,...sniffing out the trail of corruption... the oddity factor is explained...with county control over wine in grocery stores, the opportunities for local graft, corruption and related shenanigans are greatly enhanced...apparently, the sleazy state boys want the counties to share in the bribery bounty....throwing some pork to the good old boys back home is just good politics.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/27/13 at 9:18

So often I read the sermonettes by the hippie retired postman as pure unadulterated bullshit.However his 8:39 was the most accurate assessment of the "wine in grocery store" fervor that has been written in any publication,internet site or news program.

In the final analysis if "wine in grocery" stores passes forty Davidson county families will be hurt financially and their loss will be a gain for the grocery stores.

A convienice will be created for the non-discriminating wine buyer.

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 9:19

Capitalism is not always a bad thing. Monopolies fix prices that benefit themselves, not the consumer; therefore the liquor store owners are raking in the cash and splitting the take with their governmental regulators.

If grocery stores are allowed to enter the wine marketplace, free-market economics will enter the picture and the consumer will benefit from better wines at cheaper prices, with greater access to the product....grocery stores tend to listen to consumer demand...it's a competitive business.

If the Republican party truly does support free market capitalism, then there should be wine in TN grocery stores, it's just that simple....If wine sales increase, tax revenues on wine sales will increase; the GOP should understand this and support wine in free-market grocery stores....call them out on this.

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 9:30

At 9:18, Rasputin72 posted the following "assessment":

So often I read the sermonettes by the hippie retired postman as pure unadulterated bullshit. However his 8:39 was the most accurate assessment of the "wine in grocery store" fervor that has been written in any publication, internet site or news program.

Normally, I view Rasputin's posts - normally a worn-out culture war rant - as pure unadulterated bullshit. However, his 9:18 comment is the most accurate assessment he has ever made.

By: govskeptic on 2/27/13 at 9:32

The long time lobbyist for the Tenn Liquor Wholesalers is Affectionately called
"The Golden Goose" by our legislators, and has been for decades now. His group
has been busy the last few yrs fighting any changes that will loosen their strangle
hold on their high profit margin and monopoly within territories of that industry.

They already are winning by putting off current legislation that might pass to the
year 2015, and if then, can fight county by county to defeat even this bill if passed.
Now, the Wholesalers have added the Retailers and Mr. Christianson to their
group of opponent (more donations) so we will probably will win up with 5 more
years of delays and with the grocers on the other side (more donations for the
sponsors) I expect the bill to be defeated again, since the state doesn't need
the added revenue passage would create. It's just a Tenn thingy.

By: Rasputin72 on 2/27/13 at 9:39

A coup for the hippie. He gained a double accolade. One from me and one from himself.

"He stuck in his thumb and pulled out a plum and said what a good boy am I."

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 9:45

Gov...we share common ground on this issue.

Purchases of fine, world-class wines, from the Finger Lakes region of New York state, in Tennessee grocery stores would benefit lots of people in both states.

Revenues collected in TN on these sales could be used to reform and rebuild TN's failing public school system and other worthwhile public projects....the Tennessee Tea-Baggers need to think outside of the tea bag.

Maybe, I need to come on down to the Volunteer State... with some of New York's finest...finest wines, that is. Give these baggers an afternoon of free NY wine tasting, in the capital building and they might give their view, "further review".

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 9:47

Yes, Rasp, I did just that...like Little Boy Blue...I blew my own horn...we found common ground....that's something worth tooting about, isn't it?

By: bfra on 2/27/13 at 10:12

Loner - Why isn't wine sold in grocery stores in NY?

By: Rasputin72 on 2/27/13 at 10:33

LONER........Yes, indeed it is.

By: yogiman on 2/27/13 at 10:53

Was it because Rasputin72's comment about you an affirmative comment that made it so good, Loner?

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 11:28

Bfra, no wine in NY state's grocery stores either...again, for the same reason...a special interest has the legislature by the scrotum....but we are not giving up the fight.

And yes, Yogi, that is precisely why Rasp's comment was so good....it's odd that you could figure that out, but still cling to the birther BS...you have been had, man...used as a dupe...a useful idiot....give it a rest and move on....please.

Rasp, like a Venn diagram with two barely overlapping circles, one red and one blue...we found the limited overlap area....the purple area....or shall I say, the burgundy area?

By: gdiafante on 2/27/13 at 12:09

Was it because Rasputin72's comment about you an affirmative comment that made it so good, Loner?

LOL

You have to explain it to yogi, Loner.

By: tomba1 on 2/27/13 at 12:10

Me thinks Loner and Raspy need to go get a room to celebrate their new found love!

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 12:40

Not a bad idea, Tomba...the Rasp is loaded...a freakin' tycoon....a penthouse suite for the weekend would be awesome...I'll fly down and bring some fine NY state wines....Rasp can bring the Grey Poupon and cheap gin...that and the glitzy weekend "pad" should draw in every slut in town...you can join us, Tomba...but remember, it's ass, gas or grass......nobody rides for free....come and celebrate the common ground!

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 12:48

Oh yeah, Govskeptic is also standing on this common ground...the "Burgundy Area"...where the red and blue circles intersect...Gov is also invited to this gala event....we'll need some killer local herb, perhaps he has connections along this regard?

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 12:49

So, Rasp, when and where is this "burgundy" shindig going down? It's Kum-By-Yah on the Cumberland.

By: yogiman on 2/27/13 at 12:50

I'm 'sure' you're an intelligent man, Loner. So can you explain to me how Barry Soetoro (his last name known legally) can be a natural born citizen. I know, I've asked this question before... but I've never received an answer.

There is many thoughts on the issue because he refuses to show his identity. Question: Was Barack Obama actually his father? There has never been a marriage license to them, but there was to her marriage to Solo Soetoro.

As I have posted before, assuming Barry (his nickname) was a natural born citizen, he lost that citizenship when he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather.

The question then is: Has he ever repatriated his citizenship? And you don't care?

The biggest question is: Just who in the hell is that guy?

By: yogiman on 2/27/13 at 12:53

I meant to add this, Loner: to do a little research go to:
http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/obama/ObamaNaturalBron.html/

By: yogiman on 2/27/13 at 12:54

Oh, by the way, you'll probably like the war pictures better.

By: yogiman on 2/27/13 at 12:56

Another error: that sholuld read ObamaNaturalBorn.html

Darn, I better get my glasses checked. Sorry for my errors but I'm not as 'errorless' as y'all.

By: yogiman on 2/27/13 at 1:25

Fellers,,

I don't want to be constant, but I refer you to the determinations of Congress that has taken place? Is the CIC in that office legally?

Check out the Document ONE of the Third U.S. Congress (1795) that states... "children of citizens [plural, i.e. two parents] of the United States... shall be considered citizens of the United States; Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..." (Third Congress Sess. II Ch.21. 1795). Approved January 29, 1795, pp. 414-415. Document margin note: "How children shall obtain citizenship through their parents" Document margin note: "Former Act repealed 1790 ch.3". (Barack Obama Sr. was a student, never a resident."

Document TWO: The actual text of the First Congress in 1790 states, "...children of citizens (NB:plural, i.e. two parents) of the United States...shall be considered as natural born citizens of the United States; Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States..." (First Congress Sess. II Ch.4. (1790), approved March 26, 1790, pp103-104.

So the question remains, How can Barry be a natural born citizen?

By: BigPapa on 2/27/13 at 1:31

No way this ever happens.

By: dargent7 on 2/27/13 at 1:51

Liquor stores are dirty dumps and way overpriced.
The Wine Chap on West End and Mid-Town on Church are classy places....
but...Their prices are FULL RETAIL.
They are closed on Sunday, Holidays, not open until 8:00am.
Here in Calif., eg., Safeway has Kendal Jackson Chard for $11.95
In Tenn. it's $17.95.
Safeway always has sales...eg., Concannon Chard I bought at Wendel Smith (a crime ridden area) for $10.99 is $6.99 everyday.
The list is endless.
They only have 2 aisles for wine, beer, and some liquor, but it will definitely hurt the small dumpy, dirty, liquor stores, eg., Main Street Liquors....selling GARBAGE! A 2003 for 2 for $5.00. Turned bad in 2010.

By: bfra on 2/27/13 at 2:13

d7 - But when at Wendel Smiths, you are dealing with some fine people.

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 2:34

Thank you, Darge, for the first-hand report on wine prices...capitalism, not cronyism seems to be the way to go...let the free-market sort it all out.

By: Loner on 2/27/13 at 2:37

While in Michigan, last summer, I noticed that their grocery stores carried beer, wine and full-strength liquor...for sale, even on Sunday morning....and their society has not collapsed into hedonistic anarchy....both TN and NY should emulate MI....IMO.

By: slacker on 2/27/13 at 2:44

Wendel Smiths.. best meat & 3 in town.

By: slacker on 2/27/13 at 2:46

BigPapa is right.. they'll find a way to keep this Blue law in place.

By: slacker on 2/27/13 at 2:47

The ''Golden Goose'' is off the nest, and on the case.

By: dargent7 on 2/27/13 at 3:04

Just to add in more....Wendel Smiths as well as Main Street Liquors ( a bigger dump, worse neighborhood), had this deal: "3 Bottles for $12.99". Stuff is from 4th rate wine makers that just want to unload it.
eg., a "cheap value" is a Chard called "Estrella". (Napa).
The dtwn. Wine Shoppe in Nashville, 4th and Union, sells it for $12.99. (magnum- 2 btls.)
Today, it's On Sale at Safeway for $4.99...2011 vintage, too.
That's a HUGE substantial savings.
Kroger, Harris Teeter, Publix will jump on this, if passed.
Everyone will start saving 25%- 40% on wine.
Even the CostCo. wine store up on Charlotte has a magnum of Chard, Redwood Creek", for $10.99. Safeway: $8.99.
The way it should be.

By: bfra on 2/27/13 at 3:15

slacker - Yep! on the meat & 3

By: govskeptic on 2/27/13 at 4:33

Darge7:

What you point out is exactly my point. In Tenn the Industry has kept out any chain
from having ownership, which is restricted to one location and owner can only own
1 store. That protects the "Wholesalers" on not having to bargain with anyone on
pricing such as Kroger or any other multi location owners, hence the larger profit
margins remains more important than more in additional sales in their opinion.

By: dargent7 on 2/27/13 at 5:15

I understand that...but, the consumer is getting gouged.
I think the procedure was called, "Keystone"...triple the cost.
That's OVER! Everyone wants 10% OFF, minimum.
It's too bad Wendel Smith cannot afford to buy 500 cases of each wine that Safeway does.
They don't even advertise like Dougal McFrugal, another lovely area of town.
Half these Liquor stores are next to homeless shelters and Food Banks.
It's like the Walmarts that drove away mom and pops.
Cannot believe ACE Hardware is still in business.

By: yogiman on 2/27/13 at 6:18

A retailer is only going the sell their product the people willing to pay their listed prices.