Up for Debate: Working prisoners back into society

Sunday, November 27, 2011 at 11:06pm

With the closing of the Charles Bass work-release facility, the state is short on minimum-security facilities aimed at giving prisoners opportunities to work their way back into society and potentially reduce the risk of reoffending. Do you believe officials should act to provide more of such facilities and opportunities for inmates, or do you fear the risk of escapes could outweigh any long-term benefits? 

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By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 6:11

Minimum security, so the offenses are petty crimes and drug possession?
Then, yes, let's work with these people and get them acting on the straight and narrow.
One more chance, then it's off the table. Do your time.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 7:14

Good morning, Nashville.

Too many people are in jail who should not be and too many people who should be in jail are walking around free. There's too much privatization in the incarceration industry and too many unbalanced and/or unqualified judges. There are too many laws and too many cops. There are too many lawyers and too many courtrooms. Too many lawyers are holding public office.

Other than that, things are just peachy.

Mornin' Darge!

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 7:17

Anytime and any chance a society can bring people back into the culture is worth the money. However I can already see the fringe right shouting about wasting their tax money.

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 7:19

L'ner: You a football nut?
I don't follow the Bills.
The Titans won, the Charges lost in O/t, and the Lions lost I think.
U-M beat Ohio State first time in 6 years...!

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 7:20

ps., this Tebow is a big boy. Only Rothilsberger is bigger.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 7:57

Darge, I don't watch NFL as much as once did...the Bills went back to their old ways...the Dolphions beat them this year and the Jets beat them yesterday and NE beat the Eagles yesterday...the Bills do not have any playoff hopes at this time...they started out great, then fizzled.

Vince Young looked bad yesterday, IMO.

Tebow will blame Satan when he starts to lose? What's worse, mixing religion with politics, or religion with pro sports? To me, both are quite asanine and foolish things to do.

Will they erect little crucifixes atop the goal posts at Bronco Stadium...to bless the home team and curse the visitors?

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 8:06

Sat. it was 75 degrees and sunny. Yesterday, it was 50 and rained all day/ night.
The weather here is all over the place.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 8:20

Though Big Ben is big, he is the most sacked QB in the NFL...good thing he's a big boy...must be tough for a linebacker to bring that man down if he's got any momentum going...too bad they don't use running QB's in the NFL these days...I guess that's what the "wildcat" offensive play is supposed to do; trouble is, it doesn't fool anybody and the runner is not big enough. IMO. They ought to try snapping the ball to a tight end, acting as QB, once in a while...those fellas move the pile,

I remember Danny White, of the Cowboys...he did the punting too...on 4th down, the defense never knew if the punt formation was a ruse...Danny often used the fake punt formation to throw for a 1st down.

How about NE's Edelman, number 11, he plays offense and defense well...not a huge guy, just an all around jock with some brains and lots of guts. Gotta admire a guy like that....and the coach who knows how to utilize a player like that.

Super Bowl pick? Greenbay vs New England?

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 8:29

It was in the 60 degree range here over the weekend...now it's back to normal...cold, damp, gray, drizzly and depressing....I love New York....home of the Northeast rainforest.
It could be worse...could have the white stuff to deal with...I gotta make another Albany run this week...hope the weather is dry and clear. This and one more run, next week, should do it for the year. Traveling great distances in New York state, in winter, can be challenging, even for us native New Yorkers. I've seen the NYS Thruway brought to a standstill in a white-out several times...not good.

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 8:38

Green Bay for sure. But, The Saint's maybe.
Bears lost Cutler so they're out.
Broncos have won 5 straight w/ Tebow.
Who knows? Maybe Jesus is coming back.

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 8:39

Supposed to SNOW tonight, little accumulation.
Let's watch "yogi" turn our weather and football reports into an opportunity to slam Obama.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 8:54

Yeah, the "usurper" BS....the "natural born" BS....the "Constitutional" BS, the "barry Sotero" BS...the "Muslim" BS....yeah, Yogi fertilizes the soil of hate....hoping that something takes root. It stinks the place up, that's for sure....he's just spreading the crap that he's been fed...not much nutritional value in that....just stink.

By: treehugger7 on 11/28/11 at 8:56

Come on, Darge--you know this is global warming! It's the hot air from all the repub debates fueling it!

By: treehugger7 on 11/28/11 at 8:57

It looked like Vince Young, while not great, played better then he ever did for the Titans. Too bad we can't get some of his money back!

By: Kosh III on 11/28/11 at 9:03

Topic of the day

More rehabilitation. That's the Christian way: forgiveness, reconciliation, love, joy, peace, patience, meekness, goodness, kindness. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the captives, help the homeless, helpless and hapless.

Sooooooooo, this being such an avowed "Christian" nation, and Nashville being the home of the CofC and Southern Bigot Convention, expect none of the above.

By: Kosh III on 11/28/11 at 9:08

Now that the topic of the day is covered, I need some help folks.

I am considering buying a video camera. I am looking for an online source with good information, i.e. reliable customer/professional reviews of various models. Something similar to http://www.dcresource.com/ except that it's for video.

I've already tried Amazon reviews with no much success.
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What I especially am looking for is one with better quality audio. I've always used my digital camera but it's 8 years old; still excellent stills but video not so much.

Looking to spend under $200.

Thanks

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 9:09

On of my my other BINGO cards this morning, I have two trolls nipping at my ankles, here:

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=247228

Seems like Disqus offers a feature in which folks can "follow" you across the internet...as a result, I have acquired some Israeli trolls, who now dog me at every Disqus board...24/7.. perhaps, they are on somebody's payroll?

They are exceedingly dedicated, if not paid trolls. They always use the same worn-out language and the personal attack tactic. They are so filled with righteous indignation and piety...I feel that it's my duty to let the air out of their over-inflated egos....as a public service.

These Israeli trolls may find me here...I expect that they eventually will...be prepared.

I guess that I should be flattered at the attention...but hey, these folks do not dick around...they play hardball and I am located in the middle of a highly pro-Israel region...they may tire of my comments, some day.... in light of the technological marvels now available, what was once considered "paranoia", is now considered "judicious caution".

I must be rubbing somebody the wrong way...you think?

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 9:25

I'd buy a video camera at Walmart. You get a 90 Day return policy.
They all have tutorials and are easy to use.

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 9:45

I agree with Loner's 6:14.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 9:45

New versus used? Technology is moving so rapidly, it's tough to decide on which way to go.

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 9:56

I bought this one for my daughter earlier this year when my Grandson was born. She really loves it.

http://www.amazon.com/Flip-UltraHD-Video-Camera-Generation/dp/B0040702HA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322492104&sr=8-1

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 10:09

Thanks, Ben...we share common ground on those issues.

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 10:17

Unfortunately the common ground in this case it not so common. The "Lock 'em up!" tough-on-crime neurosis seems to afflict the right and left with equal veracity. We are so far past the point of diminishing returns on this issue that I fear we will never get it under control again.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 10:17

More common ground, Ben:

Headline: Barney Frank not seeking re-election in 2012

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/28/politics/barney-frank/index.html

The guy was a lying sack, an opportunist, an exploiter, a polarizing agent and an Israeli agent...other than that, he was a prince of a guy.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 10:20

True...Ben's 9:17.

Soon, everything will be illegal and you'll need a permit to do anything...for our own good, of course.

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 10:24

OK, children,

Since you've opened the door, I'll come right on in. Thanks for holding it open for me.

As I've stated before, it's hard to understand why anyone would accept someone as President of their nation when they don't even know who in the hell he is. They don't even know if the name he is using is actually his name. And looking at all the known records, it's questionable if his "father" ever saw him because of his move to Harvard right after he was born and his mother had moved to Seattle, Washington within a few days after his birth.

And I'm sure one of you can explain why a member of the Kenyan National Assembly, in November 2008, made a statement about him.

The man's name is Millie Odhiambo. He addressed the speaker of the National Assembly: Mr. Deputy Speaker, sir, the president elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and lifting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and color. I, therefore, seek leave of the House that we adjourn to discuss the issue."

What was their discussion? That his ancestors were from Kenya, or that he was born in Kenya?

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 10:28

The whole, "Lock 'em up and throw away the key" doesn't work. Either does sentencing some cretin to Death Row for 15+ years, costing $35,000 a year.
But, minor drug possession and getting 10-15 years is nuts.
In San Diego over the weekend, the ICE cops X-Rayed a truck and found 9 TONS (!) of marijuana. The coyotes made between $500.-$1,000 ea. to transport.
They'll probably get 3-5 years, if that.
The "owner" is dead by now.
Now, those two that escaped from prison in CT, robbed an raped a Dr's. wife and two daughters, and set the house on fire, killing all three, should be executed within 6 -8 months.
They'll languish on Death Row for 12-15 years. Rehabilitate them? They'll find Jesus who'll forgive them? Not.

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 10:28

Sorry, the quotation mark " should be before Mt. Deputy, sir.

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 10:33

Darn,

Gotta go in tomorrow morning for a cataract operation. The should be Mr, not Mt Deputy. But I guess you "intelligent" fellas know that.

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 10:34

The TQM approach would simply not arrest and incarcerate anyone who has not done any actual harm to anyone. That's how Marshal Dillon handled it.

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 10:35

"yogi": The only door we hold OPEN for you is the Revolving one.
Because you like to go in circles.

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 10:38

I hope your cataract operation goes well yogi.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 10:43

The couple busted for growing Cannabis in their bath tub, in Nashville recently...were required to make bail of $125,000 each....a quarter of a million dollars for the couple....meanwhile, the alleged serial child raper, Coach Sandusky, had his bail was set at $100,000.

That sort of "Reefer Madness" insanity indicates just how effed up our criminal justice system is, IMO. And the Tea Party infused GOP is eager to lock even more people up. Sadly, Obama is a reneger on the Cannabis pledge....what a friggin' wimp.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 10:45

Yogi, we may disagree on a lot of issues, but I do sincerely wish you well in your upcoming surgery...we are all human beings...I do not hate you...good luck!

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 10:47

Ben: TQM? Please enlighten me....Total Quality Management?

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 10:52

Ben. left a comment on the Barney Frank board...CNN did not publish it...the Helen Thomas effect?

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 10:53

That's right loner. It's the idea of fixing the problem up-stream before it becomes a problem.

A good example I heard was an appliance manufacturer who had problems during the assembly process for their refrigerators. They kept getting scratched and damaged during the process and it seemed that no amount of money spent and redesign of the assembly process would keep the appliance from being damaged. Then someone had the bright idea of a scratch resistant surface. Assembly problem solved and it added great value to the appliance.

By: bfra on 11/28/11 at 10:55

My good wishes goes for anyone having surgery! But, with yogi's MO, who knows for sure he/she is even having surgery?

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 11:00

Hopefully it will help correct the myopia.

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 11:05

I've been building system and processes for over 20 years and what I figured out a long time ago is that when you make things easier to do right than to do wrong then you don't have to build in all manner of checks and controls.

Our solutions as a society, however, is that when a crisis or critical incident arises a vocal minority screams 'DO SOMETHING!' and the entrenched bureaucracy and political industry is happy to oblige. They then set up a bunch of ineffective reactive controls and procedures that sound good on the surface but, as is almost always the case, their cure is the next cause and things get worse and worse and worse.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 11:06

Dammit...I'm now unable to post on that CNN board Re: Barney Frank. Hitting the submit button makes the button glow...but the post does not go...Helen Thomas under-stated the Zionist influence upon the US media...CNN is getting as bad as the Israeli sites.

Looks like the trolls on the JPost site went back under their rocks.

Trying to put some daylight between the Jewish State and the United States of America is a very lonely job...a job for a loner.

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 11:09

bfra,

Of course, I don't know you, and under your comments to and about me, I have no desire to meet you. But those that do know me know there is two things, unlike you, I don't do; Lie and steal. But of course, you couldn't know that, could you?

So you stay your course and I will stay mine.

Thanks for the comments, BenDover... you, too, Loner. It's hell with one bad eye and the other not worth a damn. I hope that guy knows what he's doing.

If he screws my good eye up I won't be able to "throw" the points about Barry Sortoro any more and you can all have the site to yourselves as a love triangle..

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 11:09

Ben, GM's Volt needed more TQM...the batteries sometimes catch fire in crash tests.

Back to the drawing board at GM?

By: bfra on 11/28/11 at 11:16

yogi - People that "know" you must not read this board. Posting unproven propaganda, is the same as a lie & you have never offered "proof" of anything you post. When questioned, your answer "prove me wrong", yet you have never proved it "right".

By: Kosh III on 11/28/11 at 11:23

Here is a perfect example of our justice system with one lenient standard for the rich, powerful and political
and one harsh one for the rest of us

http://bicycling.com/blogs/roadrights/2010/11/11/hit-and-run-in-vail-colorado-incites-outrage/

"the district attorney’s decision to reduce the felony hit-and-run charge to two misdemeanor counts, reportedly because the official was concerned that the driver might lose his job with a felony conviction."

The driver was a billion dollar hedge fund manager, the victim was on a bicycle.

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 11:26

GM lost its focus on making cars long ago loner.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 11:27

Ben, once again, the problem is that the special interest money has corrupted the system. Industry and single-issue lobbyists write the bills, pols simply introduce them and vote on them. The general public does not have its own lobby, to lobby for things that will benefit the most for the least money.

Given the Citizens Untied USSC decision, things will now get much worse....quickly. Granting personhood to corporations has to be one of the most ludicrous and potentially damaging decisions the Supremes have ever made.

Multi-national corporations can now legally dictate US foreign and domestic policy....no other nation on this planet has such a "cozy" relationship between its government and foreign interests. The American Founders would stand aghast....this is suicidal.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 11:28

Citizens Untied S/H/B Citizens United....Freudian slip...my bad.

By: brrrrk on 11/28/11 at 11:30

Kosh III said

"Topic of the day

More rehabilitation. That's the Christian way: forgiveness, reconciliation, love, joy, peace, patience, meekness, goodness, kindness. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the captives, help the homeless, helpless and hapless."

Many forget that it was actually the Quakers who came up with the idea of the modern penitentiary (although today's penitentiaries are far from the originals), they were originally designed to be places of penitence.... both figuratively and literally; going so far as to even design the doors to the cells so that one would have to bow to enter.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 11:31

United States of America could become the Untied States of America?....we are just one typo away from dissolution of the union of American States....that might actually be a good thing...for world peace...individual states would be forced to deal with domestic problems and get out of the war-as-distraction business.