Up for Debate: Working prisoners back into society

Monday, November 28, 2011 at 12:06am

With the closing of the Charles Bass work-release facility, the state is short on minimum-security facilities aimed at giving prisoners opportunities to work their way back into society and potentially reduce the risk of reoffending. Do you believe officials should act to provide more of such facilities and opportunities for inmates, or do you fear the risk of escapes could outweigh any long-term benefits? 

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110 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 10:33

Quakers? How about those Amish Hair-A-Tics in Ohio? Horse-drawn terror...right here in Amerika!

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 10:33

Yogi: The problem with boards like this, is that you can make up anything you wish.
I've been here over 3 years (court ordered) and I've seen many bullshitters.
There have been people who said they just died, yet post next week.
They think we cannot remember week to week.
You, yourself, said you had 1/2 your brain removed. Maybe it was metaphorical.
Maybe that's true, but I doubt it.
Many papers are using Facebook as a posting engine to assure the identity is for REAL.
At TCP, anything still goes.

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 10:34

It has nothing to do with that Loner. It's because popular opinion is ignorant of how much the police state costs and how much of a non-value-added process it is to incarcerate people over minor improprieties. They have no clue as to the self-feeding cycle this produces with a larger and larger percentage of the population. Being simply non-conformists and graduating more and more to the catastrophic level of having no respect for authority is our issue. Cure is the cause not you CU boogie man.

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 10:35

Ben @ 10:26..Really?
Chevy still kills it. (not the Volt..it just kills).

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 10:42

Ben sez: "It has nothing to do with that Loner." "It" must mean the Citizens United decision and "that" must mean the wholesale corruption of our federal government.

I vigorously disagree....the CU decision will now expedite the path to absolute corruption at the top of the political food chain...things were bad before the infamous decision...things are about to go from bad to disastrous, IMO.

Neither of the two major parties is up in arms over the CU decision...they are programmed to receive.

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 10:45

bfra,

As I have stated before, unlike you "children", I'm no 'master' of this machine we call a computer. I wish I often wish I was. I have posted many articles on this site. I have only pointed out where I read or heard them. But it seems like; if you also haven't read, or heard it, it doesn't exist.

I've only been trying to get you to open that little portion of your brain called "intelligence", but sadly I haven't haven't been able to.

But it still boils down to the fact that you, and your 'friends' on this site are so willing to accept someone in the White House who won't identify himself. And there are the constitutional issues you don't seem to have any knowledge about.

Unless you and your "friends" on this site are so willing to accept communism in our nation, you had better start looking deep into this issue because we are almost there today. Thinks that's BS? Try doing a little "looking".

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 10:45

That new Camaro is the ugliest car on the road, darge.

The Vette is a specialty car that's been insulated from the politics and long term GM cancer.

I'm having a hard time coming up with anything else here.

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 10:48

The CU decision is status quo loner. The attempt was to block the collective influence of corporations and affiliations. To insulate Polticos from having a contradictory message in support of businesses heard.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 10:49

How about a comment on Barney Frank's stepping down, Ben?

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 10:51

He was a Gerrymander love-child in the first place loner. The dem's picked the wrong year to go full tilt on a massive unpopular take-over health care and lost their chance to protect the jigsaw-puzzle that is democratic power in this country.

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 10:55

dargent7,

I'l admit, I don't know if they took half of my brain out or not. I wasn't watching them in that operation. But I presumed my family doctor knew it when he said it. Was he kidding" I don't know. He did tell me I had a big hole up there.+

But looking at it from my side of the fence, my half-brain is working a hell of a lot better than yours on this Constitutionally legal issue on this usurper in office.

By: brrrrk on 11/28/11 at 11:05

BenDover said

"He was a Gerrymander love-child in the first place loner. The dem's picked the wrong year to go full tilt on a massive unpopular take-over health care and lost their chance to protect the jigsaw-puzzle that is democratic power in this country."

Really? Have you seen Blackburn's district?

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 11:16

MA4 is more cut-up than the shoreline of Percy Priest lake.

TN 7 has been the Democrats' warehouse of unwanted conservative voters for the last 30 years.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 11:32

How much was Frank worth when he started out in politics, 32 years ago and what is he worth now....personal wealth I mean....inexplicable enrichment?

Total Campaign Contributions Received by Barney Frank: $3,054,975 in just this past two-year election cycle. Frank was in for 16 terms...he must have accepted tens of millions in donations over the years.

Here's breakdown for his last campaign:

Interest group and their contribution:
Securities & Investment $360,416
Real Estate $237,850
Insurance $216,400
Lawyers/Law Firms $192,014
Misc Finance $147,749
Banks and Credit $133,950
Lobbyists $87,923
Business Services $76,400
Casinos/Gambling $63,450
Democratic/Liberal $59,160

There's more dirt here:
http://maplight.org/us-congress/legislator/250-barney-frank

By: Kosh III on 11/28/11 at 11:39

"But it still boils down to the fact that you, and your 'friends' on this site are so willing to accept someone in the White House who won't identify himself. And there are the constitutional issues you don't seem to have any knowledge about."

He identified himself with his long-form bc, which everyone but the loons accepts.

I've read the pertinent part of the US Constitution, it doesn't say maybe, it says if you are born here, you are a citizen. Period.

Why not whine about Cain the Lobbyist? or Bachmann the Theonomist? or the lack of jobs and the GOP's total unwillingness to do anything but give money to their corporate masters?

He is the President--period.

By: bfra on 11/28/11 at 11:43

yogi should put on his tin hat, get on his stick horse & ride to DC in protest!

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 11:44

Frank occupied a "Jewish seat"...we have such things around here...Chuck Schumer occupies New York's Jewish seat in the Senate...we have several "Jewish seats" in the House as well....usually, nobody dares to challenge those folks for those seats...a notable exception: Anthony Weiner's seat....former NYC mayor, Ed Koch, backed the Tea Party Gentile who ran and won that seat recently, to send Obama a message about Israel.

NY is totally corrupt: Total Campaign Contributions Received by Kirsten Gillibrand: $24,633,032. Our Gentile NY Senator, Kirsten Gillibrand, took in $189,866 in her last campaign, from the Israel lobby...she is just as good as a real Jew, when it comes to voting for Israel's national interests.

Imagine that, spending over 24 million dollars to secure a job that pays $174,000 per year....this is disgusting....how can this republic survive, when this kind of corruption is so rampant...and legal?

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 12:08

The "retro" Camaro is no different from the retro Charger R/T.
The ugliest car(s) on the road:
*Chrysler's 300 or whatever that hearse looking thing is.
*Chrysler's PT Cruiser...a throw back to a "Woody" from the 60's.
People actually bought the purple edition w/ the fake wood.
The re-designed VW Beetle....a totally gay car, especially in lime green or yellow.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 12:27

Here's an update on my JPost BINGO card....censors zapped several of my posts.

Comments like the following, are not going through "moderation"....I thought I'd share this example of state-controlled media...we are so lucky to have the NCP...here's my last JPost submission, but it will probably never get on that board:

And there you have it, four of my comments have been deleted on this board...but my opponent's mean-spirited posts remain.

The "NeoNazi" name-calling, from Eric, my personal Israeli troll, is allowed to stand, though it clearly violates the Terms of Service.

Carelessly using Nazi analogies cheapens the impact of the real thing....Eric, and others, are wearing it out.

My opponents viciously attack me, not my positions and the JPost enables that.

Screening out unpopular views does the JPost readers a grave disservice.

Such censorship is characteristic of police-states, not secular, pluralistic and democratic states.

Americans and Israelis do not share core values, keeping that feedback out of the discussion is not advancing the best interests of the state of Israel. It promotes delusions and myths.

The truth can be ugly; but banning it from the debate is even uglier.

Here's the URL for the board:

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=247228

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 12:39

This "retro" car stuff is BS, Darge. Chrysler brings back the muscle car...the legendary Hemi....Ford resurrects the Mustang super car...GM responds with the Zombie Camaro from hell. Is this what the American driving public wants and needs?

We may not want to admit it, but we need good, cheap, safe and reliable cars...not cars that are returning to the days when gas was 30 cents per gallon...not when gas is over 4 bucks a gallon at the pump and rising.

I like vintage muscle cars....this new stuff just does not resonate with the lone one.

Are NASCAR and the NHRA actually calling the shots?

Maybe building super cars for the high end export market, (to places where where consumers are getting richer, not poorer, as in the USA,) is now the US Auto Industry's Master Plan. They may have given up on the good cheap car idea....conceding that to Hyundai etc.

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 12:44

I gotta go now...more picketing duty at the Courthouse, in Albion...we are small in number, but we are getting horns honking and getting thumbs up signs...see ya!

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 1:04

I like retro Mustangs and Challengers... The Charger missed the mark by a mile and who knows wtf they were thinking with the new Camaro that's the ugliest thing to come out of Detroit in a while.

I kinda like the look and feel of the PT Cruiser... I used to pick them off the rental lot when I had the choice. Wouldn't want to own one though. Built on the Dodge Neon chassis and drive train... doomed at birth.

I tried to drive one of those Chevy HHR's a while back but got in and the blind-spots were everywhere (as I imagine they are in the new Camaro) so I gave it a pass.

There may be a '67 - '68 Mustang fastback in my future if I run across the right car at the right price.

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 1:14

post some pics if you get a chance, loner. What is it you are protesting again?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 1:40

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 10:26
GM lost its focus on making cars long ago loner.

You got that right it was about the late 60’s I think is when they lost it and the nice car looks too. From that time on it all got ugly.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 1:42

From Friday;
Tell us yogi, do you really think that 535 members of congress and 100 members from the US senate plus 99.99 % of the population of 308 million America citizen and 100% of the worlds population of 8 billion thinks Obama is legal and just you and a few nut cases consider him not.

Now what evidence do you have to show that you are smarter than the rest of the world? Not counting what you think about yourself, but real evidence that you are the smarter than the rest of the world from legitimate experts on intellectual beings. Please give us the answer and none of your song and dance crap.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 1:57

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 9:24
OK, children,
Since you've opened the door, I'll come right on in. Thanks for holding it open for me.

Who let the nut out?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 1:59

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 10:55
dargent7,
I'l admit, I don't know if they took half of my brain out or not. I wasn't watching them in that operation. But I presumed my family doctor knew it when he said it. Was he kidding" I don't know. He did tell me I had a big hole up there.+

But looking at it from my side of the fence, my half-brain is working a hell of a lot better than yours on this Constitutionally legal issue on this usurper in office.

You only had half a brain to start with. Now you only got a Micro dot and it is not working at all.

By: brrrrk on 11/28/11 at 2:05

Ain't this GOP nice??

Fake Website Tries to Stop Recall Walker Petitions

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/739922/fake_website_tries_to_stop_recall_walker_petitions/

It goes hand in hand with this quote from Paul Weyrich, father of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation. Oh, and by the way, it's not taken out of context......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPsl_TuFdes

By: brrrrk on 11/28/11 at 2:08

Captain Nemo said

"You only had half a brain to start with. Now you only got a Micro dot and it is not working at all."

Why am I picturing the Scarecrow from the Wizard Of Oz...... :-)

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 2:38

Thanks for the links brrrrk that is so right of them and the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz had a brain all along.

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 2:39

dumba..,

I'm smarter than you and the idiots of the world because of the known facts. Of course, your ignorance can't let you accept the facts unless you want to believe them. And obviously, I didn't get the same facts you have.

By: Kosh III on 11/28/11 at 2:40

The Bush Recession may have hurt lots of ordinary people but Bush, Paulson and Bernanke made sure their banking buddies still got TRILLIONS in SECRET

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/11/28/376430/wall-street-banks-fed-loans-secret/

"....according to official documents obtained by Bloomberg News. Six of the country’s largest banks then turned those loans into more than $13 billion in previously undisclosed profits.
The total cost of the Fed loans amounted to $7.77 trillion, and unlike the funds made available by the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), the loans came with virtually no strings attached for the banks:...."

By: Kosh III on 11/28/11 at 2:45

"known facts."

You mean like a Birth Certificate?

You keep lying about the constitution but when asked for proof all can do is say that you know it better than everyone else---even McCain.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 2:57

This Coo-Coo Bird is becoming dangerous to himself and all that comes into contact with him.

Narcissistic Personality DisorderWhat is narcissistic personality disorder?
Narcissism is a term used to describe a focus on the self and self-admiration that is taken to an extreme. The word “narcissism” comes from a Greek myth in which a handsome young man named Narcissus sees his reflection in a pool of water and falls in love with it.

Narcissistic personality disorder is one of a group of conditions called dramatic personality disorders. People with these disorders have intense, unstable emotions, and a distorted self-image. Narcissistic personality disorder is further characterized by an abnormal love of self, an exaggerated sense of superiority and importance, and a preoccupation with success and power. However, these attitudes and behaviors do not reflect true self-confidence. Instead, the attitudes conceal a deep sense of insecurity and a fragile self-esteem. People with this personality disorder also tend to set unrealistic goals.

What are the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder?
In many cases, people with narcissistic personality disorder:

Are self-centered and boastful
Seek constant attention and admiration
Consider themselves better than others
Exaggerate their talents and achievements
Believe that they are entitled to special treatment
Are easily hurt but might not show it
Might take advantage of others to achieve their goals
Other common traits of narcissistic personality disorder include the following:

Preoccupation with fantasies that focus on unlimited success, power, intelligence, beauty, or love
Belief that he or she is “special” and unique, and can only be understood by other special people
Expectation that others will automatically go along with what he or she wants
Inability to recognize or identify with the feelings, needs, and viewpoints of others
Envy of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her
Hypersensitivity to insults (real or imagined), criticism, or defeat, possibly reacting with rage, shame, and humiliation
Arrogant behavior and/or attitude

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 3:02

Sorry, he ain't the president, Kosh III. He is your beloved usurper.

You mention a "birth certificate" he showed. Where did it come from after he had stated years before the Hawaiian government would not allow him his birth certificate? Why is the lettering of the one he 'showed' so different than you would get on a simple typewriter back in 1961?

You apparently didn't understand that "pertinent part" of the Constitution, Kosh III. If he was born in Hawaii as he has stated, the best citizenship he would have received would have been dual citizenship. You naturally get your family name and citizenship from your father. Was he born unnaturally?

If simply being born in the USA gave the "right" to become President, that would mean when an illegal alien has a child in the USA, that child would be legally eligible to hold the President's office when they reach 35 years of age. That, Kosh III, is simple BS from your idiotic beliefs..

Barry showed his "birth certificate" one week before Jerome Coprsi's book "Where's the Birth Certificate" was published. Even though the Hawaiian government wouldn't allow it? Gimma a break, Kosh III.

You might also want to read his "autobiography" "Dreams from My Father" and "Change We Can Believe In". You might learn something.

By: dargent7 on 11/28/11 at 3:07

The coolest thing about the Wizard of Oz was that each character already had exactly what they were looking for. eg., Scarecrow was the smartest.
I didn't get it at age 5, maybe by age 12.
BenD: Nothing's cooler than a '67 Vette Sting Ray with the split rear window.
Maybe a Mustang Shelby GT 500 for shear power.
With either car, you were guaranteed to get laid.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 3:07

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 3:02
Sorry, he ain't the president, Kosh III. He is your beloved usurper.
In the land of Bizzaro this coo coo is COO COO.

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 3:11

Kosh III,

Can you explain why "Barack Obama" signed the bill requiring John McCain to prove he was legally eligible to run for that office?

Why did he then refuse to be questioned himself? Why did the Senate not require him to be questioned? I'd sure like to know the answers.

And why has he spent almost two million dollars to keep his personal records under lock and key? Wouldn't it be interesting to just find our who the hell he is?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 3:12

What are the symptoms of (yogi’s) narcissistic personality disorder?
In many cases, people with narcissistic personality disorder:
Are self-centered and boastful = yogi
Seek constant attention and admiration= yogi
Consider themselves better than others= yogi
Exaggerate their talents and achievements = yogi
Believe that they are entitled to special treatment = yogi
Are easily hurt but might not show it -yogi
Might take advantage of others to achieve their goals =yogi
Other common traits of narcissistic personality disorder include the following:

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 3:13

I think the fed's balance sheet is looking pretty good. They bought low... now they're holding high. Seems the dollar is stronger than most people imagined.

By: BenDover on 11/28/11 at 3:14

Their biggest risk is all those treasuries they've been buying.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 3:15

Other common traits of narcissistic personality disorder include the following:

• Preoccupation with fantasies that focus on unlimited success, power, intelligence, beauty, or love = yogi

• Belief that he or she is “special” and unique, and can only be understood by other special people =yogi

• Expectation that others will automatically go along with what he or she wants =yogi

• Inability to recognize or identify with the feelings, needs, and viewpoints of others =yogi

• Envy of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her =yogi

• Hypersensitivity to insults (real or imagined), criticism, or defeat, possibly reacting with rage, shame, and humiliation = yogi

• Arrogant behavior and/or attitude =yogi

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 3:19

What causes narcissistic personality disorder?
The exact cause of narcissistic personality disorder is not known. However, many mental health professionals believe it results from extremes in child rearing. For example, the disorder might develop as the result of excessive pampering, or when a child’s parents have a need for their children to be talented or special in order to maintain their own self-esteem. (I don’t think this is the cause)

On the other end of the spectrum, narcissistic personality disorder might develop as the result of neglect or abuse and trauma inflicted by parents or other authority figures during childhood. The disorder usually is evident by early adulthood. (This come from being locked in the closet as a Child)

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 3:21

By: yogiman on 11/25/11 at 11:52
dargent7,
The biggest thing that worry's me now is the fact that the majority of congress are lawyers and they let this happen to begin with.
Unless you are "in the ball game" with them, you should bed(sic)worried like hell, too.
I simply posted a statement made by Dr. Vieria. Check him out on google, or any other site on the internet. The man is not a damn fool like you think.

I looked up Dr. Vieria;

http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-leonardo-vieira-xccdk

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 3:31

dumba..,

You sure hit the nail on its head in your description of Barry Soetoro. Especially in your point of child rearing, because you sure as hell don't know how I was raised. And I must say, it sure doesn't match his.

But, I'll have to admit, it was far superior to yours.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 3:40

Notice how the coo-coo bird changes the direction of a subject away from himself.

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 3:50

Well, dumba..,

Doesn't that tell you I'm not as incipient as your Master Obama?

By: Captain Nemo on 11/28/11 at 3:59

If he is not successful in one attempt the coo-coo bird will start of in another direction to deflect the spotlight from him.

By: yogiman on 11/28/11 at 3:59

dumba..,

You showed you ignorance one more time. Can't you read? Your attempt to hit me behind the head shows when you looked up Dr. Leonardo Vieira. Where did you get that name? I mentioned Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr.

Try it again, dumba...

By: Loner on 11/28/11 at 4:20

Back from my picket duty...my sign is the same one, Ben: HOLY WARS SUCK. Sadly, it's always relevant.

I guy came up to me this afternoon, looked at the sign and said that there was a bigger holy war coming. I asked what he meant by that and he replied that it was going to be Israel against the entire world. I asked him if he thought that we Americans should consider the Israelis our masters...he said that he thought that the Israelis were our masters. There are millions of Americans who also believe that stuff...incredible, but true.

Happy 4:20...I'm celebrating with you right now,...party on!