Up for Debate: Zimmerman released on bond

Monday, April 23, 2012 at 12:53am

How do you feel about the release of George Zimmerman from jail on bond, days after he apologized for the death of Trayvon Martin?

87 Comments on this post:

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 3:51

I think if that's all the evidence they've got then the case for 2nd degree is really thin. If they exploded the charge to 2nd degree for political purpose and are working on a plea compromise to put Zimmerman behind bars then they are basically willing to sacrifice Zimmerman's life (because he will die in jail) to satisfy an outrage largely created by media malfeasance; fostering a political agenda against guns and creating racial tensions.

By: dargent7 on 4/23/12 at 4:44

"Apologized"?
No one accepts his apology.
He purposely went after Trayvon after profiling him.
Had a loaded 9mm gun so was a tough guy.
He's the most hated man in FL now.
If he ever does go to jail, the bros. will take care of the situation.
Serves him right.

By: dargent7 on 4/23/12 at 5:08

re: Friday's "non-sensicle, hate filled crap" I accused "yogi" of posting.Day in, day out, this, "usurpation" clause he's leveling against Obama is absolutley driven by hate.
What else would motivate these Birther's, Townies, Bachmann/ Palin devotees?
They all started 5 minutes after Obama was inagurated, Jan. 20, 2009.
That idiot SC justice Roberts couldn't even recite the oath correctly. Obama had to tell him how it's read.
Then sits in the front row and shakes his head, muttering, "You lie". Ass-H***.
Romney may very well win this Nov. In any event, it will come down to one state again.
If Obama pulls off another win, we have to listen about his birth cert. until 2016?

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 5:33

Yogi's a nut, ignore him.

The FL law is ridiculous, if the only thing that comes out of this is they repeal that law, that wouldn't be bad. But Zimmerman, at worst, should get manslaughter. You can whine about the media conspiracy and you can complain that the entire fiasco is politically and racially driven, but it doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman was wrong to confront that kid, and had he just listened to the 911 operator, this wouldn't even be an issue. Zimmerman escalated it and a kid is dead. He should get some time.

By: Loner on 4/23/12 at 5:43

Good morning, Nashville.

I think that Zimmerman will beat the charge and riots will erupt in Sanford and elsewhere.

I heard the 9-11 calls...the dispatcher told Zimmerman NOT to pursue the "suspect"....by ignoring that command, he violated Trayvon Martin's rights... he terrorized the youth...apparently Martin was standing his ground against an armed cop wannabe who refused a police directive.

Zimmerman aggravated the situation by pursuing his victim; he should serve time for homicide....3 to 5 years, IMO.

By: dargent7 on 4/23/12 at 5:57

Gd & L'ner: I agree.
If there's a trial and the dumb-ass jury (any other kind?) says, "Not guilty", or he just gets probation, there will be street riots.
Luclkily he's Hispanic looking. Half the violence will occur than if he was 100% white.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 6:17

You're right on one issue, dargent7, I "hate" Barry Soetoro (a.k.a. Barack Obama) for his usurpation of the presidential office of my nation.

It can't be considered your nation because you apparently have the ignorance to accept someone as your president whom you don't even know. That, sir, is complete ignorance.

By: govskeptic on 4/23/12 at 6:24

Sounds like a few of our well informed posters were on the scene that
night in Sanford?

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 6:27

Gov, it's all public record. Listen to the call. The operater clearly told him to stay put. He didn't. If you dispute this, cite some evidence. Otherwise, STFU.

By: bfra on 4/23/12 at 6:30

As all the comments are based on what has been reported in the news, why would you think any poster was "on the scene"? That is with the exception of 1 old fool poster, that only dwells on 1 subject.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 6:30

Loner,

I also heard those 911 calls. The actual calls before they were audited by the "way we want it to sound" news media. Zimmerman told the police he had 'lost' the guy and was going back to his SUV. That is when he was attacked by the youth.

My question, now, is why do they continue to show Trayvon's picture as a 12 year old child instead of the well built 17 year old youth?

My next question is why have you heard nothing of the 20 year old black youth robbing and beating an elderly couple, then raping and killing the 85 year old woman in front of her husband?

Where was Al and Jesse? Were they too busy to jump on that band wagon?

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 6:33

Good statement, govskeptic. Too many decisions being made without any facts.

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 6:41

Only one media outlet edited the call, and that was the part where the 911 operator specifically asked about race.

911 Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah.

911 dispatcher: We don’t need you to do that.

Zimmerman: OK.

Any questions?

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 6:50

Yeah, gdiafante, why did Zimmerman tell the 911 dispatcher he was going back to his SUV and the fight started when he was on his way back?

By: dargent7 on 4/23/12 at 6:52

The 9-11 dispatcher should of used stronger language than he used.
"We're sending Police, Back Off, Now!"
Saying, "We don't need you to be doing that" is rather weak.
Where are the Hispanic leaders in support of Zimmerman?

By: Rasputin72 on 4/23/12 at 6:53

This is a manslaughter conviction first or second degree without any more evidence than what this board sees.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 6:54

Anther question, if you don't mind. Have you ever known a 12 year old child (as the pictures constantly being shown) who had the strength to bloody a man's nose and knock him down, then jump on him and repeatedly bash his head onto the ground?

I haven't, and I'm a hell of a lot older than you.

By: govskeptic on 4/23/12 at 6:56

911 operator's statement is only one element in this case. The reply from
Zimmerman indicating "OK" after that remark is not part of any of the tapes
I've heard! Must be added for extra affect. This case is going to be an
extremely hard one to get a jury of 12 to all agree on!

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 7:00

bfra,

Ignorance is what you are seeing every time you look into a mirror. For anyone to accept someone to be their president who refuses to identify himself surely isn't intelligence.

But don't feel bad, you certainly aren't alone on that issue on this site.

What do we have here; a bunch of dumbocrapers or ignoramuses?

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 7:07

Well, here are the transcripts, gov...

http://phoebe53.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/zimmerman-911-call-transcript-trayvon-martin/

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=145&f=3159&t=8870006

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Notice the "OK" after the dispatcher's warning in each transcript. Either you don't pay attention or you just hear what you want to hear.

By: budlight on 4/23/12 at 7:12

govskeptic on 4/23/12 at 7:24
Sounds like a few of our well informed posters were on the scene that
night in Sanford?

Yep Gov, they were all there. They are everywhere. So they know everything. And if you don't agree with them, they call you names and bully you, especially if your name is Yogi. It's just a matter of time before someone sues them for slander, harrassment and liable. They don't know how to carry on an intellectual dialogue without all their expletives and demeaning comments.

I agree with Yogi when he asks where was Al and Jessie when all the other crimes against older people and blacks were committed by other blacks? Not news, is it?

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 7:16

Isn't it crazy that some here are more outraged about Al and Jessie than someone losing their life? Not really, when you consider the source.

By: bfra on 4/23/12 at 7:37

And, yogi's fan club of 1 chimes in! Run Run, the yogis are coming.......

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 7:41

The most offensive editing of the 9/11 tapes was NBC.

They ran with:

Zimmerman: "This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black."

The real tape was:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/nbc-investigating-segment-on-zimmerman-call.html

All of the pictures that show Treyvon from kindergarten and Zimmerman looking like a cartel leg-breaker distorted the story as well.

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 7:42

BY BUDLIGHT:

They don't know how to carry on an intellectual dialogue without all their expletives and demeaning comments.

By YOGI :

Bfra, Ignorance is what you are seeing every time you look into a mirror. For anyone to accept someone to be their president who refuses to identify himself surely isn't intelligence.

But don't feel bad, you certainly aren't alone on that issue on this site.

What do we have here; a bunch of dumbocrapers or ignoramuses?

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes...

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 7:44

Does a picture alter the past and suddenly make Martin an armed threat, Ben?

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 7:48

Zimmerman's account has him giving up following Treyvon and heading back to his car as instructed... and then being confronted by Treyvon on the way back to the car.

No evidence has been shown that contradict this.

You guys are suffering the media as it spoon-feeds your confirmation biases.

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 7:49

No, gd, but it might spark an unnecessary race war over Treyvon's tragic death.

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 8:02

CNN's wall to wall coverage and breathless exposé of their own predisposed interpretation of the 9/11 tape with the infamous, "f*cking coon" evidence turned out to be Zimmerman saying it's, "f*cking cold"... but by then Zimmerman is already guilty of hunting n*ggers in the eyes of everyone they wished to spark outrage in.

It's just 'dirty laundry' reporting to create a news spectacle, to fire up the race baiters and to advance another cause to bolster the case for liberalism. It had all the ingredients a black kid shot by a white guy (imagine their shock when 'Zimmerman' turned out to be hispanic) and a southern cracker PD supposedly covering it up. All they need to do is spice up the racial aspects and then blame it on gun liberty. Suddenly we get to relive the worst and most divisive parts of civil-rights movement all over again.

By: slacker on 4/23/12 at 8:18

My prediction, a long trial after the Pres. election. The trial will involve at least 3 head banging on ground experts, 96 police tape analysis experts. And a lawyer wearing a loud bow tie. Outcome will be a hung jury.

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 8:28

This is the problem the gun-banners hope to use emotionally charged incidents like this to fix:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 8:46

Ben, the fact that Zimmerman was following Martin in the first place escalated the situation, hence the dispatcher telling him he shouldn't be doing it. It isn't complex to understand.

Yeah, I get it Ben, media conspiracy...yada yada yada...

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 8:51

Right Ben, everything is black and white (pun intended) to you conspiracy theorists...if you think they're should be gun controls, you want the 2nd amendment repealed...

If you think women should be able to choose, you're pro-abortion...

If you think the lovely right of marriage should apply to everyone, you're anti-marriage...

If you think science should be taught in public schools, you're anti-religion...

Freaking nuts...no wonder our country is in the dump...

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 8:56

I've given you 3 irrefutable examples of how the media has spun the case, gd (with NBC's being indisputably intentional).

How is it you, such a reasonable guy, maintain such willful delusions about the facts of this matter? I don't mean that as a criticism but I'm genuinely curious.

By: dargent7 on 4/23/12 at 8:59

Obama didn't languish in the Senate like Orin Hatch or even Ted Kennedy or any other "lifer". Wasn't prone to take bribes and sell out to lobbyists.
Two years in ILL., and out, taking his show on the road and becoming President by a decisive, legal vote. Unlike 2000's Bush v. Gore's insanity. Or even those hose-bags in Ohio who cast the vote for Bush in 2004.
Obama's that smart, charismatic, and just plain good.
They got a couple of nuts over at The Tennessean who post like "yogi".
One guy says gas was, "$1.87 a gallon" during Bush's entire rein.
I happen to remember gas hit $4.40 a gallon during the summer of '08.
I also remember 9/11 happened while Bush sat in the Oval Office.
2003 the A-Hole invades Iraq. Worst President in modern day.

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 9:00

I already acknowledge the media spin...it's just that...spin. If you're going to whine about a media conspiracy, step up and prove it, Ben. Frankly, I'm getting tired of your whining about it.

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 9:02

And don't confuse media incompetence in a 24/7 news cycle with a conspiracy. You're better than that, Ben.

By: dargent7 on 4/23/12 at 9:16

What I find "curious", is all the slamming of the mainstream media.
Always by people, mostly Republicans, who don't like the truth. Can't see the obvious. Can't handle reality.
The Zimmerman case is a prime example.
He's on 9-11 tape being told to, "stand down", NOT, "stand your ground, sir".
He's seen at Police hdqtrs. exiting the cruiser w/o any blood on his shirt or coming from his nose or head.
The only "intentional" reporting is over at FOX News who's so slanted 'right-wing", I can't believe they don't cause the Earth's axis to tilt.
Every commentator, anchor, analyist, is a racist monkey.
The exception is Bill O'Reilly who is smart enough to not be so dumb.

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 9:19

It's not incompetence at all gd. It's theater, disguised by the supposed righteousness of Journalism, designed to provoke a specific outcome. In this case to be the Judge, Jury and Executioner of a man who dared have conservative values and who ended up in a deadly confrontation with someone of an aggrieved race.

In short, their underdog emotion kicked in and they proceeded to rationalize the case they wanted using an assortment of long-standing biases. And since the left is convinced that the right to has unfair advantage and privilege; they consider themselves justified in using of Machiavellian tactics toward their end.

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 9:24

The fact of the matter is that I think Zimmerman probably should see manslaughter charges if for nothing more than a good secondary review of the evidence in this case; but what we are watching before our eyes is a high-tech eye-for-an-eye lynching.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 9:27

You seem to know so much about the media conspiracy, gdiafanti: Can you explain why the media came out with a worldwide report about Zimmerman killing Martin because Martin had bloodied his nose and was bashing his skull on the concrete... but they didn't see it as a news factor about a young black man robbing, beating, and killing an old woman after raping her in front of her husband?

Could it possibly be because she was a white woman and they feared a racial rebellion from the white citizens? Or do you think it was more appropriate a race riot be created because the "victim" was a black juvenile?

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 9:31

So, the Left is outraged at the Florida law, the Right is outraged that the Left would be outraged, both are outraged at the media, who is outraged that they are being held accountable.

I'm outraged that we are arguing about this faux outrage.

I'm still waiting on that conspiracy info, Ben. If you need any tips, I'm sure Yogi will help you.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 9:36

dargent7,

I'm glad Fox News is reporting the news because they seem to be the only office reporting the news. The others are so quiet about the news it makes you wonder if anything is happening in the world. That is, unless Barry Soetoro is making the news.

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 9:38

I'm glad Fox News is reporting the news

That pretty much says it all...lol

By: Loner on 4/23/12 at 9:41

Ben, this is not about "gun control", it's about "gun nut control".

And nutty gun law control.

Florida's "stand yer ground"statute invites racist cop wannabes to come on down to the Sunshine State, to legally & safely hunt "ethnics"....paying gigs as "watchmen" are available.

Lots of reasonable people are uncomfortable with the idea of armed neighborhood watchmen ...especially cop wannabes...looking to exert some authority...guys with anger management problems, like Mister Zimmerman, patrolling the neighborhood and profiling people, pursuing them and interrogating them....maybe even shooting them.

In this particular case, if Zimmerman had not pursued the suspicious-looking black kid in a hoodie, as the police directed him, Trayvon would be alive today.

As it stands, the trigger-happy shooter, Mister Zimmerman is a hero to millions of nuts, racists and assholes...to me, that's what the acronym NRA actually stands for.....Nuts, Racists & Assholes.

By: Loner on 4/23/12 at 10:16

And we will witness virulent character assassination on both Mr. Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

Trayvon will be characterized as an athletic, big for his age teenager...a full grown man, physically...and a marijuana addict, a problematic student..... and he is said to have had burglary tools on him, when he was killed. In this narrative, Trayvon was the aggressor and poor Mister Zimmerman was forced to shoot his attacker, in order to save his own life from this mischievous and vicious young punk.

Zimmerman will be characterized as a trigger-happy cop-wannabe with anger management issues....... on a hunt for the ultimate in big game....a human being. If he was a bully in school, that will come out. He'll have to explain why police were forced to restrain him in a previous, unrelated incident.

Zimmerman will have to play the role of victim in court....a well-intentioned citizen....a law-abiding citizen...a victim of circumstances beyond his control....will he snap under cross-examination? Or have we heard the last from Mr. Z?

Trayvon won't get to tell us his side of the story....no mater how you view this case, that part is a tragedy....a preventable tragedy, IMO....the jury will decide. Fallout will occur.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 10:20

Pull your anchor out of the sea, Loner, and paddle your boat a back out into the sea.

You seem to forget the report Martin attacked Zimmerman from behind as he was walking back to his SUV.

My question now: What would you have done, lay there and let that "young child" beat the hell out of you and bash your head open on the concrete?

Another question: You're in a gated neighborhood; you've been having robberies lately; you and some fellow neighbors create a "in house" patrol; its at night; you see a young man jump over the fence by the gate. What would you do if you was on the patrol that night? Just say, "I wonder where that guy lives in this neighborhood?" and turn and walk away?

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 10:36

By the way, Loner, have you listened to Bob Whittle explain the reason and rationale our founders used to create the Electoral College?

By: Kosh III on 4/23/12 at 10:47

This is what we should be indignant about:

"World military spending reached a record $1,738 billion in 2011 — an increase of $138 billion over the previous year. The United States accounted for 41 percent of that, or $711 billion." Stockholm International Peace Research Institute 4/17/12

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 11:24

Yogi, do you even know the difference between manslaugher and murder in the eyes of the law?

Never mind...rhetorical...