Up for Debate: Zimmerman released on bond

Monday, April 23, 2012 at 12:53am

How do you feel about the release of George Zimmerman from jail on bond, days after he apologized for the death of Trayvon Martin?

87 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 4/23/12 at 11:39

They say that Lady Justice is blind....but she's not deaf, nor dumb.

As we have seen, the most critical aspect is the jury selection....Imagine Yogi, Ben, Skeptic & Budlight on that panel....Zimmerman would get away with it....a lightning quick, full acquittal.

We'll get to see another big show trial....but this too shall pass...as the mudball we call home rotates and revolves around a yellow sun.

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 11:51

He can't get a fair trial, no way. Maybe in Appalachia where they don't have electricity...

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 12:08

Murder: The crime of unlawfully killing a person esp. with malice aforethought.

Manslaughter: The unlawful killing of a human being without express or implied malice.

Malice: Desire to cause pain, injury, or distress to another.

Okay, dgiafante, consider: A man has knocked you down busting your nose. He thin drops on top of you and continues beating the hell out of you by bashing your head onto the concrete.

Which reaction would you choose: Lying there and letting him beat the hell out of you, or responding to action to make him stop his attempt to bust your skull?

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 12:10

Excuse me, I meant then, not thin drops...

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 12:21

Doesn't matter, yogi. If a human being dies, I'm culpable unless the judicial system says otherwise. Hence the problem with this case initially.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 12:40

So then the question would arise: Did Zimmerman intentionally kill the boy or was he simply trying to stop him from bashing his skull against the concrete?

I "heard" Trayvon was trying to take the gun away from Zimmerman.

No one actually knows the facts except George Zimmerman, gdiafante. It's time to stand on the sideline and wait to see what the final score is.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 12:50

Another thought, gdiafante.

If, as I heard, Trayvon Martin was trying to take the gun away from Zimmerman, and succeeded and killed Zimmerman, would all of this hullabaloo been thrown to the public by the news media? Would Jessee and Al jumped in the picture overnight? Would the racial issue been kept aforethought?

Just wondering.

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 12:59

Thank you Mr. Obvious

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 1:02

You're asking the wrong question, yogi. Would Martin have been arrested, or would the Stand Your Ground law have been applied to him?

Here would be the situation: an unarmed youth being stallked/followed by Zimmerman. Martin, confronts Zimmerman, sees the weapon, stands his ground, goes for the weapon, a struggle ensues, Zimmerman killed.

Would the police have waited a month or two to charge Martin?

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 1:05

"Doesn't matter, yogi. If a human being dies, I'm culpable unless the judicial system says otherwise. Hence the problem with this case initially."

Actually that's not how it's supposed to work. There should be a presumption of innocence unless evidence to the contrary exists. We do not know yet what the facts of the matter are but what we do know is that the media has whipped up a frenzy such that if Zimmerman is acquitted on the facts we're going to probably suffer another Rodney King disaster.

In case anyone has forgotten:

Thankfully Obama came out like he did about the shooter on the Military base at Ft. Hood who was shouting "Allahu Akbar" and gunning down unarmed soldiers; and said everyone one should calm down and not jump to conclusions in the matter.

Oh... wait a minute, no he didn't... he said, instead, we're going to send the full force of the federal government down there to ream whitey for shooting a young man who looks like he could be my son. I guess the police down there "acted stupidly".

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 1:15

Actually that's not how it's supposed to work. There should be a presumption of innocence unless evidence to the contrary exists.

Ben, the presumption of innocence applies to criminal trials, it doesn't exist until the process is set in motion. It didn't apply to Zimmerman until he was arrested, which is what should have happened that night.

By: dargent7 on 4/23/12 at 1:17

"Lady Justice is blind"? You kiddin' me?
OJ Simpson, walked. (that alone, started the whole b.s.) Robert Blake walked, Michael Jackson, walked. Casey Anthony walked. Who doesn't KNOW OJ killed those two people and Anthony chloroformed her kid to death?
And this d*** Zimmerman will probably walk.
Scott Peterson was found guilty and so were the Menendez bros.
Susan Smith and Andrea Yates got nailed. Those are the exceptions.
Mary Winkler spent a whole 9 months in the funny farm. Then, not only walked, but got her kids back. Husband's buried with 6 gunshots to his back because he wanted her to wear stillouttes to the bedroom.
Nobody with any intelligence "does jury duty". Everyone tries in vain, to get out of it.
I've been called 7 times in San Diego and Maui the past 20 years.
Once I say, "I'm from Detroit" the fish in the judge's tank stop swimming. And I walk away.

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 1:20

Who gives a rats a$$ what the President thinks? Why is that even an issue, other than to inject some partisan BS in the mix...ridiculous.

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 1:20

He was taken in and interrogated for over 6 hours, gd; if the story I read is correct. The investigating officers did not find reasonable cause to doubt his story of self defense and arrest him.

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 1:25

It took 1 second to google this...


By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 1:28

The president injected himself into this mix. That's OK though. Beer summits are cheap. If it turns out Zimmerman is innocent he can have Farrakhan and the Justice Brothers up to the Rose garden with Zimmerman and Sheriff Rosco for another teachable moment on race relations.

As loner often says, "can't we all just get a bong?"...

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 1:31

Really, he injected himself? So he just spontaneously had a press conference to state publicly his opinion...he didn't respond to a question...give me a break, Ben.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 1:51

Pay more attention to the facts, gdiafante. Barry puts his interference into every situation he can, especially if a black person is in the feature. After all, isn't that what a dictator is supposed to do and he's just getting trained.

By: jsnap on 4/23/12 at 2:12

Well at least the Sanford Police Dept. finally did something. Not like our Metro Police who took an MBA teacher's case under advisement for having sex with 3 underage boys and 3 months later have not said another word about it. It must be that some powerful people are controlling this story. What about it Metro Police.

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 2:19

He was asked a question. If you don't like the answer, tough, grow up. And expressing an opinion in a free society is hardly dictatorial O-J-T.

The level of stupidity that comes across in your posts is astounding.

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 2:40

He was prepared to answer a certain question... in a certain way that as much as fanned the flames of racial tension in this country; rather than asking for calm and patience while the facts came out.

By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 3:06

Jesus Christ, you two are riduculous. I think you just surpassed the worst of the anti-Bush nuts. Congrats.

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 3:06


By: gdiafante on 4/23/12 at 3:09

"Well, I am the head of the executive branch, and the attorney general reports to me, so I have got to be careful about my statements to make sure that we are not impairing any investigation that is taking place right now."

"But obviously, this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. And when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. and I think every parent in America should be able to understand whiyit is absolutely imperative that we investigate every apsect of this, and that everybody pulls together; federal, state, local, to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened."

I think all of us have to do some soul-searching to figure out how does something like this happen. And that means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident,"

If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon,"I think you are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened."

Yeah, what incendiary language...how dare that Commie SOB...

We now return to your normal programming...

By: slacker on 4/23/12 at 3:10

''I saw it all'' whoever calls first.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 3:19

Its awesome to have persons with such intelligence as you on this site, gdiafante. I'm amazed at your lack of it.

Am I wrong in presuming you're showing such ignorance as your admiration of a [president] whom you know nothing about? One that refuses to identify himself?

By: Rasputin72 on 4/23/12 at 3:20

The President of the United States is black. I think he is a socialist and very close to a communist but I think he is the best man the black community has to serve up before the public.

The President had nothing to gain by his "preachings" about this case .. The black community has always supported their people who support their culture. The only exception to that would be Bill Cosby whose culture is normal and his IQ is 152. Blacks cannot stand that. I don't think he could get elected in any black community in the United States.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 3:27

Well, gdiafande, since Barry placed the national government in what normally would be a local situation makes me wonder: Why did he enter the situation?

I, then, further wonder why he didn't step forward in the Tulsa OK situation that happened in that time frame? You know, the one where a young black youth robbed, beat, rapped and murdered a white woman after beating her husband of only 65 years.

Where was Barry in that situation? Too busy somewhere else, perhaps?

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 3:31

Curiously absent in the Treyvon remarks is this line from his Ft Hood remarks (or anything like it) :

"We don't know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts," Mr. Obama said in a Rose Garden statement otherwise devoted to the economy."

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 3:38

That has to be one of the worst 4:20s I've ever seen.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 3:49

I've agreed with with you on most of your comments on this site, Rasputin72, but I must disagree with you on your thoughts [Barack Obama] is the best black man the black community has to serve this country. We need a [man] to serve this country regardless of a race factor.

But if you insist on a black man serving the black Americans, how about Herman Cain? How about Dr. Keyes? How about Rep Allen West, just to name a few?

My disagreement certification? First, he is in that office illegally beyond any reasonable doubt or imagination. Second, he is an obvious racist by actions he has taken. That's not good for the American society, regardless of their race. Americans are Americans. Third, he is an obvious communist from being raised in a communist family. Forth, he is an obvious Muslim which cannot be accepted as American by nature.

By: yogiman on 4/23/12 at 4:03


Your comment in your 2:20, "Who gives a rat(')s a$$ what the President thinks? Why is that even an issue, other than to inject some partisan BS in the mix...ridiculous" post was ridiculous.

We should be very concerned what the man in that office is thinking. That is, unless you don't five a damn about America any more... or have you ever?

By: Loner on 4/23/12 at 5:37

Yes, that was a lousy 4:20, Ben....I was out and missed the opportunity to post at the most Kumbayahtic time of the day....peace....love....dove.

We are having a Nor' Easter here...it was 80 degrees on Sunday...but wet snow and crap all day today...if it freezes tonight...power lines and trees may come down....the apple blossoms are halfway out..this could be bad for the crop this year....hopefully the grapes are OK.

By: BenDover on 4/23/12 at 7:25

Groundhog's revenge Loner. Al Gore ain't got nothin' on the groundhog.

By: parnell3rd on 4/23/12 at 9:35

Zimmerman made several mistakes which has been talked about.
1. Neighborhood bylaws said if on neighborhood watch you cannot be armed.
2. The Police told him not to follow him.
3. Zimmerman lost sight of Martin.
It would appear Mr. Martin stood his ground too.
What happened next is one person is alive to tell his side of the story.
Zimmerman took pictures of his injuries 3 minutes after shooting.
This fact and pictures were not shared with the judge by the Prosecutor.
None of us was there to determined what really happened. This goes for the media and everyone who has used this story for their own personal gain.

By: parnell3rd on 4/23/12 at 9:37

So STFU! hahahahhahahah

By: parnell3rd on 4/23/12 at 9:40

How do I feel about the release of Zimmerman on bond?
This is America: Innocent until proven Guilty.
Seams like every on has forgot about that!
Nashville had plenty of people out on bail for everything from misdomeaners to murder. You learn alot when your in a jury panel.