Letter to the Editor

Thursday, November 11, 2010 at 11:00pm
Posted by "AmyLiorate"

While I agree with the spirit of the [ACLU] case — and indeed we don't have debtors prison in this country — one has to wonder about what this may lead to.

Sure you have fulfilled your sentence, oh wait — except for that restitution. So in effect you haven't completed paying (literally) for your crime. So now would it be more prudent for the judge to put you back into jail for contempt after not paying for a year?

Probably not. But look at the case of someone who isn't paying child support. Since people are often never jailed for non-payment but still in contempt, the ACLU's statement doesn't apply: 
“Denying voting rights to those who have served their time based solely on their inability to pay a particular debt amounts to unconstitutional discrimination.”

Personally, I think that once someone has not paid child support for several months, a good wake up call would be to spend a few hours in jail, just a holding cell. That would probably shock most people and spur them to action. 

Filed under: City Voices
Tagged: ACLU | child support

113 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 11/12/10 at 9:52

RE your 9:29 comment, Loner. It looks like you might know what you are talking about. Are you that deep into such a program?

Listening to Christian radio? I didn't even know they had those things. How dumb can an old man be? How do you know so much about them?

Loner, I've known so many people that proclaim to be such great Christians you see them in Church every Sunday. They are there for one purpose... to be seen. Its great for business and fools the people about their character.

By: bfra on 11/12/10 at 10:08

With what the media puts out, including most ads, it is no wonder what teens & even small children try, because they have seen it on TV.

By: brrrrk on 11/12/10 at 10:23

Loner said

"Here's a fool-proof plan to end the unwanted teen pregnancy problem:

At the ageof puberty, all boys should deposit some of their sperm into a sperm bank(s) and then go for a vasectomy. If they really wanted to father a child, they could make a withdrawal of their sperm and use in vitrio fertilization to accomplish that."

Interesting.... I used to work with someone who had a similar idea. He thought that there should be an option for each person to undergo voluntary sterilization for a payment (I think he suggested 10 grand). Theory being that those who went through the process could use the money for something else, like starting a business, or putting it towards an investment account. He also theorized that it would also weed out those people who just might not be good parents in the first place based on the fact that they would be willing to sell their ability to procreate.

By: yogiman on 11/12/10 at 10:25

Children,

Its frightening what our nation is becoming. All things considered; whose at fault? I'll argue congress for the rest of my life.

When I was a child people of this nation were of a different brood. You respected your seniors. How many of you today are called Mister SoSo, Mistress SoSo or even Miss SoSo? When is the last time you have heard Sir, or Ma'am?

Why the transfer in society? The indisputable answer? Congress.

Congress has slowly taken over the control of our nation.. one step at a time. We aren't too far down that road from absolute control.

Every year it will become a little more government control over the general population.

When was the last time you thought congress should tell you what kind of light bulb (not should, but) to use (among other ways of life)? What major nation is making the hell out of money over those dangerous new bulbs congress says you are soon gong to have to use?

By: brrrrk on 11/12/10 at 10:27

Loner said

"George Bernard Shaw claimed that for something to be genuinely humorous, there must be an element of truth in it . I agree."

Sure, it's funny because it's recognizable....

By: gdiafante on 11/12/10 at 10:30

Respect is earned...

I didn't realize it was the government's job to teach children manners...

By: brrrrk on 11/12/10 at 10:32

yogiman said

"Congress has slowly taken over the control of our nation.. one step at a time. We aren't too far down that road from absolute control."

Congress has turned good parents into bad parents? If some kid is a brat, maybe his parents should take a good look in the mirror.....

By: gdiafante on 11/12/10 at 10:48

Yogi is right. I got a letter from Congress the other day telling me that I can only use a 60 watt GE bulb in my living room.

By: yogiman on 11/12/10 at 10:55

brrrrk,

I agree with you in some ways.

I don't know how old you are, but when I was a child in the 30s and 40s, our parents taught us to respect anyone 2 years older than we were. We referred to them as yes sir and no sir, and yes ma'am and no ma'am. It was considered respect. If you did something wrong in public, an adult just might whip your ass. You sure didn't want your parents to find out about it. You then got a worse one at home.

Teachers made children mind in school or they whipped their asses. Again, you sure didn't want your parents to hear about it. Back in those days the teachers taught because of their love of children. Today they are in there only for the pay. When did you ever think of a teacher's union would be formed in the USA?

It is known now; if you correct a child in public, you could go to court about it, even if its you own child. Are the children of today being taught any respect for their elders? Not only no, but hell no.

Look into it a little deeper.Considering the children of today; what was the childhood period of their parents?

As I've said before; you'll learn a little bit more every day.

By: gdiafante on 11/12/10 at 11:02

"Look into it a little deeper.Considering the children of today; what was the childhood period of their parents?"

You should know, yogi. It was your generation that raised them.

By: slacker on 11/12/10 at 11:06

Yogi, saying yes sir & no sir doesn't necessarily mean respect. Its just a people skill technique, used to manipulate older people.

By: yogiman on 11/12/10 at 11:13

gdiafante,

Congress must know you well enough to know you are going to do what they tell you to do. Hell, I use 3 100 watt bulbs in my living room. Are you afraid congress will have you arrested?

Question: what do you do with a incandescent bulb when it burns out? You can safely through it away. What do you do with one of them new spiral bulbs with mercury in them that's made in China? How do you dispose of them? Simple; you just make sure one doesn't get broken. Its best to wrap them in paper several times to make sure the mercury doesn't get into our water system... just in case the bulb gets broken.

Who gave us the orders to use those bulbs? Right!! Congress.

By: bfra on 11/12/10 at 11:15

slacker - Moving to Williamson Co? That's a long drive to the Starlite.

By: gdiafante on 11/12/10 at 11:15

It's sad to see old people deteriorate. The mind is the first to go.

By: slacker on 11/12/10 at 11:36

bfra, I've been banned from the Starlite. They don't like my bell bottom pants, or my bag of Krystal hamburgers.

By: brrrrk on 11/12/10 at 11:39

I listened to this oldie today. Were these guys prescient or what?

Lyrics from Big Money by Crack the Sky 1989

Big money
Big money

Feel the power
Feel the power flow out of me
I am the big control
I manipulate your little world
I am the nightmare of your American dream

Big money
Big, big money is all you need
Big money
Big, big money will set you free

I am the dogs of war
I am the cocaine whore, I'll bleed the life from you
I am your widest dream, you get so hot on account of me
I am the vampire, you are the girl next door

Big money
Big, big money is all you need
Big money
Big, big money will set you free

By: AmyLiorate on 11/12/10 at 11:40

OK, wow. At least it got us some rotation of material in the LTE category. I didn't submit this but if NCP wants to harvest our comments then that's cool. It's their playground after all.

Thanks. The original story about the ACLU appeared early this week.

I've been over on the Bob "apology tour for bailout" Corker article this morning.

I went to his townhall last night and frankly it's hard to figure the guy out. He's talking, but for him to do the walk ... I'm not sold. He better SHOW some action and soon.

I'll get back to reading the comments here. Peace y'all.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/12/10 at 11:41

Hello people, ant you too yogi.

By: slacker on 11/12/10 at 11:41

''It was the best of times, it was the worst of times''
(In case the CP posts my post)

By: slacker on 11/12/10 at 11:45

Hi Nemo, hope you are doing well.

By: gdiafante on 11/12/10 at 11:50

Nice, slacker...lol

By: Captain Nemo on 11/12/10 at 11:54

slacker-
Thanks, I am doing better each day.

By: AmyLiorate on 11/12/10 at 11:56

lol Slacker

For anyone who cares, it was a little story touting the ACLU. I almost didn't comment at all, and it is strangely out of place as an LTE though I guess I'm somewhat flattered. Not as much by it becoming a topic on it's own, but in that it generated some good discussion from all of you.

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/aclu-petitions-have-court-rehear-voting-rights-case

My quit note was just an observation from my non-lawyer mind. I think lawyers go to school and learn how best to subvert laws and walk on gray lines. You can see it in their work at court, on the bench and even more when we elect those eels into a political office.

By: AmyLiorate on 11/12/10 at 12:04

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Check out http://www.Drupal.org it's FREE and anyone can use it if they have some technical skills. I used it once to make a small site at work.

In a very cool way someone's "free" project has created a lot of jobs and wealth. There are hundreds or 1000s of add-ons people have written to work with Drupal. Consultants are easy to find and in the end you can have a product like this site or one to promote your business or hobby.

So much for my evangelizing free software and free market love today. We now return to the regularly scheduled comments and bickering. ;)

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By: brrrrk on 11/12/10 at 12:05

The way I see it, the attitude towards the ACLU is a lot like the attitude towards lawyers in general.... everyone bitches about them until they need them, then it's a whole other story.

By: yogiman on 11/12/10 at 12:30

No, gdiafante,

It wasn't my generation that made the children of today like they are. The children of my generation are in their upper 40s and low 50s.

I don't know about your children (if you have any) but mine never hang up the phone after talking to me without saying 'I love you'. It sort of makes me think I did a pretty good job raising them. and no, I didn't demand that while raising them. They took it on their own after becoming adults.

By: gdiafante on 11/12/10 at 12:55

You asked about the parents, which were raised by your generation, yogi.

When did all this start happening? I graduated high school in 1987, they still paddled but it was on it's way out. This would seem to be my parents generation that was starting the ball rolling...which would mean it's the generation you raised.

Look in the mirror if you want answers.

By: house_of_pain on 11/12/10 at 1:05

I also graduated in '87. I'm screwed up worse than Humpty Dumpty.

By: Captain Nemo on 11/12/10 at 1:54

By: yogiman on 11/11/10 at 4:21
Heck, I'm lucky, Captain Nemo, I do have at least half a brain. What happened to you?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

yogi-

I have both spheres of my brain working together; however do you have any idea which half of your brain is working?

It seems to me that anyone with only half a brain can only raise children half as good. It must be that their mother did the rearing.

By: yogiman on 11/12/10 at 2:41

Sorry to disappoint you, Captain Nemo. When I got my children to raise alone, my oldest child hadn't even started school. My youngest was still a infant. And I'll repeat, they never hang up after talking to me without telling me they love me.

I'll guarantee you, its a wonderful feeling. It makes you feel like you've accomplished something good in life.

According to you youngster's graduation periods means you are you are approximately 40 years old (give or take a couple of years (unless you flunked several grades)).

Wake up children. Your government is taking over more every day.

By: gdiafante on 11/12/10 at 2:47

Sorry grandpa, I don't blame the government for everything. I do believe in personal responsibility.

By: slacker on 11/12/10 at 2:56

Drupal walks into a bar....

By: house_of_pain on 11/12/10 at 3:00

...and orders a "creeping dementia"...

By: yogiman on 11/12/10 at 3:13

I agree, gdiafante. You must have responsibility, but you have to look a little farther than your nose the understand what the government is doing. It ain't the government we had when I was a child.

It used to be; men (back then) went into congress, served a couple of terms then went home. Then a few started seeing they could pass some laws for themselves and it all began.

Wouldn't you like to be able to set yo0ur personal salary, retirement program and health care? Wouldn't you like to exempt yourself from laws being passed to control the general population?

The educational system has changed. All children are taking the same courses today. The ones the government thinks they should understand.

Who is going to fight the government that is giving them everything they want? There is almost as many government employees today as there is private employees. Doesn't that tell you anything?

By: Loner on 11/12/10 at 3:14

Hey kids...what's up? It's a slow news day.

By: house_of_pain on 11/12/10 at 3:19

How's tricks, Loner? Been into any good bars lately?

By: Loner on 11/12/10 at 3:23

Yogi is delusional: "There is almost as many government employees today as there is private employees."

Question: How many federal employees are there in the US?

Answer: There are 2,748,978 civilian federal employees in the United States as of January 2009. This is according to the Federal Employment Statistics published by the U.S. Office of Personnel Management. Employees with security agencies (CIA, NSA, etc) as well as the National Imagery and Mapping Agency are not included in this number. 97.6% of civilian federal employees work in the executive branch of government.

Source:

http://www.numberof.net/number-of-federal-employees-2/

By: brrrrk on 11/12/10 at 3:24

slacker said

"Drupal walks into a bar...."

And says, "Is this the bar that has drag shows?"

Oh wait.... I thought you said RuPaul.....

By: Loner on 11/12/10 at 3:26

I was at the C&S Saloon in Brockport, for the Halloween party, House. Haven't been to another bar since then.

By: yogiman on 11/12/10 at 3:27

Captain Nemo,

All of my brain that is working seems to be all that is needed with this group. They only took the half out that was in the middle and left a big hole in there. That's why I'm using the major section... the one around my head. All the facetious remarks I get can just go into the hole in the middle. It'll sink to the bottom so fast I'll won't even know its there..

but then, what the heck, that half I have left seems to be working better than that full blob you have up there. What seems to be wrong? Is your skull too thick for knowledge to soak in?

By: Loner on 11/12/10 at 3:28

No, Brrrk it's Rand Paul, for the drag shows, not Ru Paul.

By: Loner on 11/12/10 at 3:34

How 'bout we all pitch in and send Alaska's Joe Miller a razor and shaving cream...that 5 O'Clock shadow is starting to bug me...either you grow a friggin' beard or you shave; Miller looks like he slept in his suit after an all-night drinking binge. Sarah Palin must think that's sexy, Joe is her bitch.

By: house_of_pain on 11/12/10 at 3:35

I was at the Brewhouse last weekend. The musical entertainment was hilariously awful.

By: Loner on 11/12/10 at 3:38

Bad music in Nashville? You better report that to the authorities, House. What was their problem? It can't be any worse than that Celtic rock band I heard in September....the bagpipe just wasn't working...it made me break out my own bag and pipe.

By: slacker on 11/12/10 at 3:41

Does Rand Paul wear a toupee, or is he hosting a Bluebird family?

By: house_of_pain on 11/12/10 at 3:42

I almost called Homeland Security. The guy was bombing.

By: brrrrk on 11/12/10 at 3:45

Loner said

"Bad music in Nashville? You better report that to the authorities, House. What was their problem? It can't be any worse than that Celtic rock band I heard in September....the bagpipe just wasn't working...it made me break out my own bag and pipe."

There is no other non-amplified, obnoxious instrument that is louder than the bagpipe. When I was a music major we used to have a bagpiper use the practice rooms and he was literally loud enough to chase everyone out of the building.

By: brrrrk on 11/12/10 at 3:46

slacker said

"Does Rand Paul wear a toupee, or is he hosting a Bluebird family?"

I think that's where he keeps his weed. Seriously, who could find it in that mess?

By: slacker on 11/12/10 at 3:47

pain, I believe I heard that group at the Brewhouse after the flood. Upright bass, 2 guitars, drums?

By: AmyLiorate on 11/12/10 at 3:48

lol House.