Letter to the Editor

Monday, December 27, 2010 at 10:05pm

[Placing art in the future SoBro roundabout is] the plan it sounds, and we already have [Musica at the Music Row roundabout] without any major traffic issues. It just took some getting use to, and I imagine the same for the new roundabout is true.

Many large cities have these roundabouts without [safety] issues, like Columbus Circle in New York City or Dupont Circle, among many others, in Washington, D.C.

I think this is a great idea as far as providing a link between the Gulch and SoBro. However, I think the biggest hurdle to further development there would be the proximity of the Nashville Rescue Mission. I am not sure that anyone is going to want to build a hotel with a rather large homeless shelter across the road when there are so many other available locations.

Posted by “chino”

145 Comments on this post:

By: Loner on 12/28/10 at 11:30

Eventually, kids in same-sex households will face some bullying, taunting and hateful remarks. They will probably be prepared for that, in most cases.

Young kids often have a single parent trying to raise, them; two parents has to be a better deal, at least from an economic standpoint.

Sure, there will be horror stories and the right-wing media will pounce on them. Those cases will be few and far between, IMO.

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 11:32

My sis and her partner are better parents than I ever was.

By: slacker on 12/28/10 at 11:42

Elton John's child, will have financial security, and grow up in a social network unlike the norm. The kid will probably be fine.

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 11:46

He'll be queer as a 3 dollar bill but, fine, none-the-less.

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 11:46

BenDover said

"My sis and her partner are better parents than I ever was."

I'm not surprised by this. I think hetero couples take children (and the ability to just pop them out) for granted.... while same sex couples understand and appreciate the opportunity to have a family, even if adopted.

Ask yourself this, how many straight couples would tolerate all the hurdles that same sex couples have to endure to have a child?

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 11:48

My sis had her kids the old-fashion way but her hubby was such a dirt-bag she switched teams.

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 11:51

Are they going to extend Korean Vets behind the convention center all the way to this new round-about?

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 11:55

BenDover said

"He'll be queer as a 3 dollar bill but, fine, none-the-less."

So says Uncle Ben.... Is that what you tell the kid? I can hear it now, "Come here you little queer."

By: Loner on 12/28/10 at 11:57

A testimonial from Brother Ben....thank you, Ben for sharing that.

I have gay nephew who has a live-in partner...they would make great dads. They are both hard-working men and have managed to amass some wealth. I love them.....at first, I was somewhat uncomfortable with the idea....but that doubt was replaced with trust.

Whenever a family member "comes out", some family members will consider it a family shame; in actuality, it is a gateway to tolerance and a pathway for a kind of spiritual growth.. Tolerance has been equated with weakness, but it requires genuine courage and strength of character to be truly tolerant.

Some claim that the God of Abraham will not tolerate homosexuality, therefore their bigotry has spiritual underpinnings and legitimacy.

Perhaps.

Here's my hope and prayer:

If there is a God, or Gods, then I hope he or she is tolerant, not prejudiced and vengeful towards those earthlings who have reasonable doubts....I mean we have seen the carnage of the Holy Wars, Divine Right monarchies and such......I pray, pardon us, please, for our lack of faith. Let any post-mortem justice be merciful and forgiving....thank you, for the ride.

By: slacker on 12/28/10 at 11:59

Damn! I have some 3 dollar bills.

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 12:00

One other question for Ben....

If being "queer" (as you put it) is a question of nurture and not nature (which is what you're implying), then why are gay children born to overtly straight couples?

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 12:02

I think my nephews are pretty safe, as sis's partner is pretty masculine. I'd worry a bit about a boy brought up by Elton and his partner having a fair shake though.

By: slacker on 12/28/10 at 12:02

Loner, if you turn in all that mail hidden in your attic, all will be forgiven.

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 12:06

Loner,

Your comment about faith, or lack of faith (as you put it), reminds me of a comment I heard from a religious scholar the other day....

"True faith cannot exist without true doubt, and faith without doubt is certainty; not faith"

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 12:07

I'll answer your question with a question, brrrrk. Has society advancing the legitimacy of homosexual relationships encouraged more people to make that choice?

By: Loner on 12/28/10 at 12:08

And lose my overhead insulation in the middle of a Western New York winter? No way, Slacker. Those old Playboy magazines have a hi-thermal R-factor rating.

By: slacker on 12/28/10 at 12:11

Loner, good point. God works in mysterious ways.

By: Loner on 12/28/10 at 12:14

How 'bout that Hugh Hefner....an 80-something man marrying a 24-year old woman.....gotta be the Viagra.....honeymoon in Niagara?

By: slacker on 12/28/10 at 12:14

Ben, I'm assuming you are straight. Could you choose to have sexual intimacy with another man?

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 12:17

BenDover said

"I'll answer your question with a question, brrrrk. Has society advancing the legitimacy of homosexual relationships encouraged more people to make that choice?"

Depends on what you mean by "choice". If by "choice" you mean the choice to live your life as you were created (by whichever means you subscribe to), then yes. No one should be forced to live in hiding because of any type of bigotry.

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 12:17

I don't think so Slack but the Kinsey study showed that there are more people than we ever imagined who are on the fence.

By: slacker on 12/28/10 at 12:19

I think the new 24-year old, will be weeping at Hef's funeral, and then going to the bank.
But I said that about the last one.

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 12:20

How about pedophiles, brrrk? Should they be forced to live in hiding because of bigotry?

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 12:22

slacker said

"Ben, I'm assuming you are straight. Could you choose to have sexual intimacy with another man?"

On this topic I defer to Andrew Dice Clay's position on choosing to be gay; he once said, "There's no way I'm gonna look at another mans hairy ass and say to myself, 'I want me a piece of that' " :-)

By: Loner on 12/28/10 at 12:23

Probably got a pre-nup and a pre-mortem deal in boilerplate, Slacker.

I say, go for it, Hef....we expect you to die in the saddle....ride it cowboy!

By: slacker on 12/28/10 at 12:23

Ben, the thought is disgusting to me, but I forgot about the ac/dc crowd. You might be right. Live and let live.

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 12:24

BenDover said

"How about pedophiles, brrrk? Should they be forced to live in hiding because of bigotry?"

Here we go.......... the old red herring "pedophiles are the same as gays" argument.

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 12:26

That's cool with me, slack. I've just got a problem with the crowd that wants to equate homosexuality to some kind of civil right.

By: house_of_pain on 12/28/10 at 12:27

Couples(straight or gay) that actually want a child, will do a much better job of raising that child than those who don't really want children, but become parents by accident. I would be willing to bet that at least 80% of pregnancies are of the "accidental" variety.

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 12:28

Here we go... the old dismiss the extream example as a red hearing because it destroys your argument, argument.

By: slacker on 12/28/10 at 12:32

Ben, I'm of the opinion some of them are trying to sell it as normal. It is their make-up, but its not normal. If I'm born without arms, I'm not normal. I mean no offense to gay people.

By: slacker on 12/28/10 at 12:36

I mean no offense to Rex Ryan, and his foot fetish.

By: Loner on 12/28/10 at 12:41

Re: Ben's pedophilia correlation: It's called the reducto ad absurdum (reduce to absurdity) argument, an ancient debater's tool. It can get a laugh and fluster the opposing debater(s).. It is not considered a legitimate tactic in serious debates; it is used in desperation by debaters who have run out of ammo.

As we Know, Ben Dover is a master-debater....he certainly knows how to spank a monkey and choke a chicken. .

By: slacker on 12/28/10 at 12:46

All that Latin gives me a headache.

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 12:47

I think creating all new mores and cultural norms by fiat out of whole cloth is dangerous for society. Acceptance of homosexuality is making great progress but homosexuality's condemnation is not an injustice that requires or deserves civil rights protections to adjudicate.

By: slacker on 12/28/10 at 12:53

Rex Ryan sockless, walks into a bar...

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 12:58

No loner, my point is that if you are making this a minority rights issue then how do you decide where to draw the line. How much critical mass must a minority perversion have before it become a protected civil liberty... and more importantly, how does a society decide where the decision about this threshold resides. My contention is that acceptace or denial of a minority sexual perversion should be decided by society at large because for the courts to jump in and protect one minority perversion it is obligated by fairness and the rule of law to protect all minority perversions. Done through representative democracy, however, these thresholds can be determined based on the moral and social values of the community.

By: judyboodo@yahoo.com on 12/28/10 at 1:26

With the exception of the marriage tax deduction, just how did the government get into the marriage business in the first place?

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 1:27

BenDover said

"Here we go... the old dismiss the extream example as a red hearing because it destroys your argument, argument."

"No loner, my point is that if you are making this a minority rights issue then how do you decide where to draw the line."

First of all Ben, if you did any reading at all on the subject of pedophilia, you would know that true pedophiles rarely, if ever, have a meaningful adult sexual relationship (straight or gay) with any other consenting adult. You'd also know that just like any other group, pedophiles have a preference for certain children, gay or straight if you will. Why do I know this? Because I got tired of listening to people like you and I did some research.

And secondly, the act of a pedophile is a criminal act of violence perpetrated by someone in a position of power against someone that is, for all extensive purposes, powerless. There's a victim, in this case a powerless individual in the form of a child; and that's where the line is drawn.

For you to draw an analogy between the actions of gays and actions of pedophiles would be just as ridiculous as me saying that the relationship that you may have with your significant consenting other is equivalent to the relationship that you may have (if your were a boss) with an employee that only has sex with you because she (or he) was afraid of losing their job. One is an act between two consenting adults and the other is a criminal act by someone in a position of power over someone who is powerless.

By: BenDover on 12/28/10 at 1:47

Pedophilia is taboo, illegal and repugnant in our culture but in other cultures it's fine... just like having multiple wives... and other considerations along the scale of sexually acceptability in society. I don't know why you feel the need to argue with me on this unless you are arguing that a guy taking it up the chute from another guy is a civil right. I've said I'm fine with gay marriage. I just don't think it should be shoved onto our society buy a minority of radical activists and the courts.

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 1:53

judyboodo@yahoo.com said

"With the exception of the marriage tax deduction, just how did the government get into the marriage business in the first place?"

Ask the church, it certainly wasn't intended that the government be in the "marriage business". In a perfect world, we would have what they have in many European countries where you have both a secular/civil service (with all rights conveyed) and a church service of your preference. Unfortunately, the religious right in this country is doing it's best (in spite of their denial ) to turn this country into a theocracy. The problem is that most states use the term marriage as a catchall meaning both civil and religious and therefore giving gays the right to civil unions would not necessarily convey all the rights of a religious service recognized under the law of the state in question.

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 1:55

BenDover said

"Pedophilia is taboo, illegal and repugnant in our culture but in other cultures it's fine... just like having multiple wives... and other considerations along the scale of sexually acceptability in society. I don't know why you feel the need to argue with me on this unless you are arguing that a guy taking it up the chute from another guy is a civil right. I've said I'm fine with gay marriage. I just don't think it should be shoved onto our society buy a minority of radical activists and the courts."

Is rape a crime or is it simply a "taboo"?

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 1:59

BenDover said

"I don't know why you feel the need to argue with me on this"

And I'm arguing this with you because apparently you don't have the ability to discern the difference between an act of consensual sex and an act of violence.

By: dargent7 on 12/28/10 at 2:06

Looks like the board is all lit up today.
They are just running clips from posts as LTE's...oh, well, I'll have to become a rock star.
Speaking of childbirth...in LA, CA, a 47 year old woman gave birth to a child that has over 100 epileptic seizures a day.
So, the Drs. are trying a seldom used therapy of removing half the kid's brain to stop the seizures.
They actually took out 50% of the cranium.
What would you do if the Drs. told you the only remedy for your child was to remove half it's brain? (yogi, notwithstanding).

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 2:06

Ben,

Maybe a week or two of "consensual sex" in the poky (interesting term now that I think about it) or slammer (just as interesting) might make you see the difference between real consensual sex and violence. And by the way, I personally know someone who was raped, so don't tell me there isn't a difference.

By: Loner on 12/28/10 at 2:10

Ben used the term, "perversion"....that kind of tipped his hand...that and the
"up the chute" and other "queer" language... his choice of words is quite revealing.

I think the Playboy philosophy comes into play here, Ben. the sexual behavior of cognizant, alert and consenting adults is strictly their private business and no one else's.business.

At one time oral sex was considered taboo, even between a man and a woman...heterosexual sodomy, or some such nonsense. That time-honored taboo has been largely blown away.

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 2:18

Loner,

I agree, but I still assert that there is a clear distinction between those acts between consenting adults (gay or straight) and the acts of sexual violence like pedophilia, rape, and sexual harassment through intimidation.

By: Loner on 12/28/10 at 2:19

If the alternative to divorce is a second or third wife, then we should consider that as a child-friendly, family-saving alternative. Same goes for a second or third husband, If everyone involved is cool with a poly-amorous situation, it should be an option.

By: Loner on 12/28/10 at 2:21

I agree, consent is the key.

By: brrrrk on 12/28/10 at 2:34

Loner said

"I agree, consent is the key."

And it must also be consent from someone capable of understanding the ramifications of such a consent. Even if a child has given consent, that doesn't imply that they understand what that means. It is for this same reason that we also protect those who are mentally challenged when it comes to sexual relations.