Letter to the Editor

Monday, January 31, 2011 at 10:02pm

We need strict limits on the amount of time that can be spent in public housing — maybe somewhere around 18-24 months.

It should not be used as a permanent residence.

Posted by "house of pain"

 

Filed under: City Voices

180 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 2/1/11 at 2:41

House of Dior:
Is this going to become a pattern?
Are we going to have to start calling you, "Sir"?

By: house_of_pain on 2/1/11 at 5:52

I'm sure I'll be called something less flattering than that today...

To clarify, I don't believe that able-bodied people should be allowed to spend 20(or more) years living in public housing.

By: dargent7 on 2/1/11 at 5:58

I fondly remember the old days when TCP actually ran a "Letter to the Editor".
Once they even ran 5 of mine in a row, M-F.
That's what drove serr8 over the edge. Several posters underwent gender re-assignments. Many attempted suicide. A lot bought 30 round magazines.
Ah, the good ole' days.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 7:08

Good morning
http://openroad.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/angel-island-480.jpg

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 7:09

house you have 18 to 24 months to fine a better home. It does not matter that you have a no where job and the doctor bills keep mounting. Now get out.

Ok this is my harsh attack on you for now. ;-)

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 7:17

You have lost your touch dargent. You have become too laidback on the board and now people see you for what you are. What that is, is still a mystery? Lol

Go Packers!!!!

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 7:24

Sir Pain

http://theinspirationroom.com/daily/commercials/2005/9/altoidia-people-of-pain.jpg

By: house_of_pain on 2/1/11 at 7:46

Altoids? Is that a comment on the quality of my breath, Nemo?

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 7:53

house-

I have said enough on the subject. ;-)

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 8:20

Since I already responded to this in the comments yesterday, I am just going to copy the relevant section and paste it here:

Simply placing time limits on how long people can live in public housing doesn't seem like it will help that much. It's not like poverty is a temporary condition in most cases. I would actually contend that further integrating low income people into their respective communities via long term housing helps to build a greater sense of pride and an improvement in the conditions of the housing units themselves.

This is such a lazy way to do an LTE...

By: house_of_pain on 2/1/11 at 8:29

"This is such a lazy way to do an LTE."

I agree.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 8:36

Let change the subject and talk about something original. wink wink

The weather for some odd reason seem to be bigger and meaner than it was when I was growing up.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 8:40

I understand that they are closing Detroit schools tomorrow because of snow.

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 8:42

I see a conspiracy here...a subject about housing and you publish a post by house...

What do you think, yogi?

By: BenDover on 2/1/11 at 8:42

I say if they are living on the charity of taxpayers take away their vote. The problem will then resolve itself in time by us reverting our system back to direct altruism rather than the theft by politiicans from one group to buy favor with another.

By: revo-lou on 2/1/11 at 8:45

{By: BenDover on 2/1/11 at 8:42
I say if they are living on the charity of taxpayers take away their vote.}

That is right, cause the poor don't need representation, do they?

By: dargent7 on 2/1/11 at 8:46

Detroit schools closing? I don't believe it.
Growing up as a poor black child, I passed as white, we never had a school closing. Not once. I prayed to Mother Superior, to no avail.
Check out the weather in Chicago and Oklahoma...people are driving in for the Super Bowl and it's going from 28 to 12 degrees....
We're going from 60 today to 30 tomorrow. Yeah. Al Gore's an idiot.

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 8:47

Yes Ben. And then, once everyone accepts that we can just revoke voting rights on a whim, those making less than $100K are next...eventually we'll get where we need to be, only the privileged class has a vote.

Isn't that really where you want us to be? Isn't that where we're headed anyway?

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 8:48

Now speaking of conspiracies, we have Ben that want to take away peoples right to vote or not to vote. That is so Tea Party.

By: revo-lou on 2/1/11 at 8:54

{By: dargent7 on 2/1/11 at 8:46
We're going from 60 today to 30 tomorrow. Yeah. Al Gore's an idiot.}

Right, cause we have always had weather like this, never mind that the word "record" comes in every forcast.

By: BenDover on 2/1/11 at 9:09

I see in the Scene that Jack White followed you down from D'troit, Darge.

http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashville/jack-whites-third-man-records-tells-the-world-your-music-city-is-not-dead/Content?oid=2171963

By: dargent7 on 2/1/11 at 9:10

Like "records"? Coldest winter last year in 50 years...hottest summer in 50 years last summer..."100 year flood", 49 out of 50 states had snow in January...NYC has had the most snow in 35 years.
Something's going on and it ain't "solar flares, sun spots, or cyclical rhythms of the Universe".
It's CLIMATE CHANGE due to man's incredible insensitivity to Mother Nature and treats Her planet like a garbage can or storm drain and sewer.
I'm actually suprised it took this long for 'Man" to trash and ruin the place.
Learn it, know it, live it.

By: revo-lou on 2/1/11 at 9:14

d7, are you on drugs?

In one post you slam Gore, in the next you tout his mantra. I know it has been awhile since I have kept up here, but I didn't think you had gone off the deep end yet.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 9:16

He was being sarcastic revo.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 9:20

Relax people we are not going to convince Ben anything,. If it is not in the bank vault or in the bottom line, he will never understand what global warming or a climate change is.

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 9:27

lol GD 8:42

Good morning everyone. Nemo, that picture reminds me of a few recent sunsets here in middle TN.

House is right. Ben's sentiment is understood but like GD says, it falls on the face of what Rights are.

The point of it all, in my humble opinion, comes down to - how do you deal with the issue of long term housing needs.

Nemo points out that there are a few who have serious reasons for needing long term housing. Others point out that people will become complacent with the "entitlement'.

This is why I see a real breakdown in the system. Our government was not designed to act in charitable ways. I'll agree with Ben's point that direct altruism is better.

Today we are seeing that whatever the individuals need is, the government just doesn't seem to have funds to continue these programs at the level they're at.

I like Brrrrk's quote from Teddy yesterday.

And someone brought up the subject of Egypt recently. It kind of worries me when I look at the people there, the number of unemployed and that many of these people want food. Mubarak has spent 30 years in office, if he was worth his salt the people would have moved out of need, not into more need. I think he sowed his own demise by fostering a class of government dependents.

Am I alone in seeing the parallels?

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 9:33

I see the parallels, Amy.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 9:49

This looks as if it is going to be interesting day on the board, but I have got to go now.

By: Funditto on 2/1/11 at 9:51

So what about the guy with no arms and no legs? Or the woman who CHOSE to keep her six babies and is widowed or left by her husband? Or the blind guy? Or the mentally retarded guy? What's your plan for them?

By: GUARDIAN on 2/1/11 at 9:51

GUARDIAN-"Public housing should not mean permanent housing" enough said.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 9:57

As usual the Guardian makes a flippant comment and sweeps it under the rug and out of site. The situation his much too complicated for he/she to understand.

By: revo-lou on 2/1/11 at 9:57

{By: Funditto on 2/1/11 at 9:51
So what about the guy with no arms and no legs? Or the woman who CHOSE to keep her six babies and is widowed or left by her husband? Or the blind guy? Or the mentally retarded guy? What's your plan for them?}

You looking for sympathy here fund? Money is king, everything else is BS.

By: house_of_pain on 2/1/11 at 9:58

Fun, see my post at 5:52.
"able-bodied"

By: brrrrk on 2/1/11 at 10:00

house_of_pain said

"I'm sure I'll be called something less flattering than that today...

To clarify, I don't believe that able-bodied people should be allowed to spend 20(or more) years living in public housing."

And public housing exists because affordable housing for those that need it doesn't..... exist.

By: dargent7 on 2/1/11 at 10:03

"Money is King"...How's that hopey, changey, thingey thing goin' for ya?
Capitalism works? Then how come we're $14. trillion in debt?
Just a downward curve on the economic meter?

By: revo-lou on 2/1/11 at 10:07

d7, you and me need to get our sarcasim meters in sync.

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 10:12

Aye, there lies the rub, brrrk. There's no profit in affordable, low-income housing to be made.

Personally, I agree with house. While I agree that some help is needed, there's too much of an entitlement attitude in this country (not so fast Conservatives, this applies to everyone.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 10:21

There should be a font for sarcasm.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 10:21

Good post pain.

By: house_of_pain on 2/1/11 at 10:24

There are people in desperate(immedeate) need that can't get into public housing, because way too many of the units are occupied by folks that have put down roots.

By: house_of_pain on 2/1/11 at 10:24

*immediate

By: BenDover on 2/1/11 at 10:25

Our weather of recent has more to do with our successes in pollution remission than our failures. Summers are hotter because there are fewer clouds because there is less aerosol pollution for the droplets to cling to. Winters are colder because there are fewer clouds because there is less aerosol pollution for the droplets to cling to.

The Atmosphere is holding more humidity because there's less pollution and that is part of why we are getting the more radical weather in inhabited areas compared to recent times dating back to the beginning of the industrial revolution and even earlier with all the coal and peat smog in London and such.

Dihydrogen Monoxide is your greenhouse gas. It’s got nothing to do with CO2. That’s just another ruse to separate the industrialized nations from their wealth.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 10:31

Its hard to get the able-bodied teat suckers off the govt, teat. Decrease welfare & other entitlements, and you have riots in the streets. We might have reached the point of no return. Its a catchy 22ea.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 10:34

Ben, what happens when a Volcano erupts for a month or so?

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 10:37

s/h/a to the atmosphere

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 10:42

So Ben is acknowledging that climate change is man-made but because of less pollution.

Have you ever been to China or Korea?

By: brrrrk on 2/1/11 at 10:44

house_of_pain said

"There are people in desperate(immedeate) need that can't get into public housing, because way too many of the units are occupied by folks that have put down roots."

Fine then.... you have a women... was abused by her husband, has two kids, and lives in public housing, and because of her previous circumstances has never had the opportunity to be able to educate herself to the point where she can afford to provide for her family....

What do you suggest? I mean, come one house... you have all the answers, give us one.

It's easy to sit back and bitch... it's a lot harder to come up with a solution.

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 10:45

My random computer generated message for the day:

Paranoid Club meeting this Friday. Now ... just try to find out where!

By: revo-lou on 2/1/11 at 10:51

Uh oh, this story is gonna PIZZ loner off!

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/01/cnnheroes.roth/index.html?hpt=T2

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 10:53

Never had the opportunity to educate herself? Isn't public school free? Or was she knocked up as a teenager and had to quit? I bet she watched her parents get entitlements and naturally assumed that was just the way it is.

I mean if we're going to start creating wild scenarios, we might as well go all the way.

Of course, because of the circumstances, those kids won't be able to get educated either...

Slacker's right...we're past the point of no return.