Letter to the Editor

Monday, January 31, 2011 at 11:02pm

We need strict limits on the amount of time that can be spent in public housing — maybe somewhere around 18-24 months.

It should not be used as a permanent residence.

Posted by "house of pain"

 

Filed under: City Voices

180 Comments on this post:

By: house_of_pain on 2/1/11 at 11:58

Well, brrrrk, the solution isn't to sit back & expect to be taken care of.
It is possible to provide for your family with no more than a HS diploma.
I do it.

I offered my solution. Give people(who aren't elderly or disabled) in public housing a deadline. Then what? I don't know, but at least we've given them a couple of years to figure that out for themselves.

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 12:02

why should that irk Loner? It's a great story.


"Each volunteer maintains his or her own vehicle, but Roth covers gasoline costs with his personal income and any donation money he has received."

Even in view of what Loner aptly names Israeli apartheid, decent people will do the right thing. After having a family member die that man has really overcome a hurdle that I might find too tall.

"I lost my brother, but I didn't lose my head," Roth said. "This activity gives me an essence for life. I have learned the price of the conflict is a lot more than the price of making peace. We are all human beings."

Thanks for sharing that, it's not a story of just altruism, but one of peace and overcoming internal conflict.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 12:06

King Tut is turning over in the museum.

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 12:07

Never had the opportunity to educate herself? Isn't public school free?

I'm not sure if you can sound any more out of touch than with a comment like this gdiafante. Calling it a 'wild scenario' is also indicative of your own naivete about the plight of being poor in this country. There are many, many different situations that poor young men and women run into that cause them to drop out, and even more situations that allow them to finish school and get a diploma without actually learning anything.

Strangely, it seems that conservatives, and especially the GOP (not that you are necessarily 'conservative' gdiafante) want to both cut the funding to the programs that help alleviate the conditions of those already in poverty, as well as cut the funding for the programs that can help people from ending up in poverty to begin with.

I guess they just feel like everyone should have been born with rich parents.

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 12:11

OK, I've googled "Yuval Roth" and "Derech Hachlama", found several similar articles, but I'd like to find a donation page for the group.

If anyone else comes across one please post the link. I can't think of a better place to send money to promote peace today. Would we have any reason not to help fund his mission?

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 12:16

Amy send your donation to:
Slacker
P.O. box 643
Nashville, Tn. 0000

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 12:18

Anti, the point, which obviously escaped you, is that we are not getting what these programs intended, which was temporary help.

What we are getting is a generation that believes being on the government teet is their right.

My point stands.

By: revo-lou on 2/1/11 at 12:19

Yes, amy, it is a great story. But, loner is not "fond" of Israel, to say the least. I think this story, and the reason this group exists, is very telling and a great example of the way the world should be.

While love is hard, and hate is the easiest emoition there is, this shows what people that care can do, no matter where they are, or are from.

By: brrrrk on 2/1/11 at 12:21

Antisocialite said

"I'm not sure if you can sound any more out of touch than with a comment like this gdiafante. Calling it a 'wild scenario' is also indicative of your own naivete about the plight of being poor in this country."

Indeed. It takes a really broad brush to paint everyone like that. For all if you that think that living on welfare or in public housing is akin to living on the French Riviera.... well, all I suggest is going down to public housing and talk to some of the people there face to face.

"An old English judge once said: 'Necessitous men are not free men.' Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for."

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 12:35

brrrrk, I think you are old enough to remember how poor people made ends meet before ''The Great Society'' programs were initiated.
Whats your solution?

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 12:37

har har Slacker. I figured one of the characters on here would seek beer fund contributions.

Revo, I think Loner is expressly not fond of the State of Isreal's actions, and it's "special relationship" ($3 billion a year of your and my money), but I don't recall him ever having issue with the people of Israel in general.

I can't speak for him, maybe he'll chime in today.

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 12:39

I'm sorry, I missed the part where the poor are being deprived of the ability to make a living. Unless you're arguing that entitlements take the incentive away for people to be self-sustaining.

Then, I'd say you're on to something.

By: Ingleweird on 2/1/11 at 12:47

Why doesn't Fox/FoxSnooze just get it over with and come out with Public Housing Idol (my apologies to Philip K. Dick)?

By: revo-lou on 2/1/11 at 12:55

Maybe Amy, maybe. Haven't really heard him condem any other aid receiving state, but I am sure I just missed those post.

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 1:11

I condemn aid to all states. I don't care if it's $3B to Israel, or $1.5B to Egypt.

That's 4.5 Billion that we borrow from China and give to just a small part of the world.

Silly isn't it? Let them go borrow the money from China, or where ever, and not burden our children with taxes to pay it back.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 1:11

Will BenDover please give us a link to his preposterous 10:25 post?

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 1:18

Nemo, my guess is foxnews.com...lol

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 1:21

Yeah... the blonde headed babe. Wait a minute..they are all blonde headed

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 1:26

It sounds like Egypt will have a new leader of some sort by the end of this week:

"Soldiers at checkpoints set up the entrances of the square did nothing to stop the crowds from entering. The military promised on state TV Monday night that it would not fire on protesters, a sign that army support for Mubarak may be unraveling"

So far I can't see that an improvement is really taking place, I fear it will be 'Meet the new boss, too similar to the old boss.'

Egypt needs a Thomas Paine, or Ben Franklin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThvBJMzmSZI#t=45s

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 1:28

When a good education has been deprived to those who have the misfortune to be born poor to uneducated parents, making a good life is even harder to obtain.

For those that are born to educated parents and already have a good start on the good life, then living in a public housing is foreign in nature and consequently those that do should be let to die.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 1:29

Egypt needs Steve Martin..

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 1:35

Funky Tut... born in Arizona moved to Babylonia...

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 1:37

We can always.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHngF_b3NuE

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 1:37

lol

By: brrrrk on 2/1/11 at 1:39

slacker said

"brrrrk, I think you are old enough to remember how poor people made ends meet before 'The Great Society' programs were initiated.
Whats your solution?"

Right, you mean back in the days when the two leading causes of death among the elderly and poor were starvation and death by exposure to the elements? Mmmm, good times....

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 1:40

"...born in Arizona moved to Babylonia"

Unless Tut can produce a valid long-form birth certificate, I do not recognize that he is funky.

By: Ingleweird on 2/1/11 at 1:41

Anybody see that live rendition of King Tut on youtube, complete with Henry "Arthur Fonzarelli" Winkler holding a cardboard cutout?

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 1:44

gdiafante,

Regarding your question bout people living in public housing; Since the originals of the US cam from England, where a public house was a bar, or inn, should we consider the people dwelling in public housing units of the US be considered a bunch of drunks?

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 1:45

From these page a new conspiracy is born.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 1:47

brrrrk, I recall people taking those jobs, that Americans today won't take.

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 1:48

My God...every time I think that yogi couldn't possibly post anything more ridiculous, he does.

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 1:54

Amy,

I don't believe you are wrong in regards to Mubarak. It seems too many "leaders" want control for their own betterment (just look here in the USA), and to hell with the general population. If the true leaders of the countries were particularly interested in the welfare of their people they would use every bit of knowledge and help they could get to better the benefits of the people of their country. Can you name one?

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 1:58

Brrrk, back then, people would do what they had to do in order to put food on the table. If that meant working multiple jobs, they did it.

If it meant working past 5pm and on weekends, they did it.

If it meant cleaning sh!t, they did it.

Can you say that about our current society?

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 1:58

Are you really surprise gdia? It is a given that what he see can only be processed so far and then it come to an abrupt end.

Maybe you are jesting?

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 1:59

dargent7,

There are records in all phases of life. As an old retired weatherman I can assure you there is acknowledged records of all phases of weather. I can also assure you the weather changes every second the clock ticks.

In my old way of thinking, what happened yesterday doesn't matter. What is going to happen tomorrow cannot be changed in the weather factor. So, sit back and relax and enjoy today. The weather will change on its own tomorrow.

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 2:03

gdiafante said:

Anti, the point, which obviously escaped you, is that we are not getting what these programs intended, which was temporary help.

No gdiafante, your point didn't escape me, I take issue with your entire assertion that these programs were intended for only temporary help.

Here's a direct quote from the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development:

Public housing was established to provide decent and safe rental housing for eligible low-income families, the elderly, and persons with disabilities.

Note that the word 'temporary' is nowhere to be found... your point does not stand.

Trust me, I understand that house

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 2:05

Just asking a dumb a.. a question, gdiafante. ain't you go no answer?

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 2:05

Teach a man to fish...

I'll keep donating to Habitat for Humanity, meanwhile Uncle Sam takes my money to feed a man for a day.

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 2:05

(continued...) Trust me, I understand that house_of_pain, and apparently yourself think this is a better alternative... and that is fine, but when you talk about what was 'intended' you need to have some supporting facts or documentation.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 2:06

gdia-

I know a few people today that hold down more than one job and do it for 7 days a week, but as a whole this culture does not.

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 2:08

Anti, would it be right for you to take directly from me and give to someone of your own choosing? Even if that person where a deaf and blind quadraplegic, would it be right for you to take from another person against their will?

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 2:08

Yogi, are you by chance related to Jack Handey?

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 2:11

Amy,

I agree with Uncle Sam feeding people as needed, but my question is; What country is he feeding them in?

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 2:12

Anti, would it be right for you to take directly from me and give to someone of your own choosing? Even if that person where a deaf and blind quadraplegic, would it be right for you to take from another person against their will?

Amy, if that money represents food on the table or shelter overhead for the deaf, blind quadriplegic, but only represents the car payment on your third car or another video game system for your already spoiled kid... absolutely it is right to take that money.

Robin Hood was a militant commie!

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 2:14

Robin Hood wore tights.

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 2:14

My apologies Amy, upon rereading the comment I think I should have put it this way:

Amy, if that money represents food on the table or shelter overhead for the person of my choosing, but only represents the car payment on the third car or another video game system for the deaf, blind quadriplegic's kid... absolutely it is right to take that money.

Sorry for the confusion...

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 2:15

That's funny, anti, I don't see the word permanent in there either.

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 2:18

That's funny, anti, I don't see the word permanent in there either.

Nice try gdiafante...

From the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development website:

HOW LONG CAN I STAY IN PUBLIC HOUSING?
In general, you may stay in public housing as long as you comply with the lease.

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/topics/rental_assistance/phprog

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 2:18

Did yogi just stutter in print?

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 2:19

That doesn't say that the program was intended to be permanent, it just means that is what it has turned into.