Letter to the Editor

Monday, January 31, 2011 at 11:02pm

We need strict limits on the amount of time that can be spent in public housing — maybe somewhere around 18-24 months.

It should not be used as a permanent residence.

Posted by "house of pain"

 

Filed under: City Voices

180 Comments on this post:

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 2:19

I agree there is a need for public housing. but when you look into them, it raises a question. Do they really deserve to be there?

If a person is disabled, okay; and by that I mean whatever problem make them disabled.

But I think you will find too many living in public housing because they are simply too damn lazy to work. And most of those are ignorant because of being uneducated. Education is free through the high school level and anyone can get a college education if they really want it.

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 2:20

I'm still waiting for your citations...

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 2:20

I find it interesting that you would want an entitlement program to be open-ended.

I wonder, what incentive do I have to work? Seriously?

I weep for our country.

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 2:22

slacker,

If I am, Momma and Daddy didn't want me to know it. Who is he? Or should I really want to know?

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 2:25

yogi said:
But I think you will find too many living in public housing because they are simply too damn lazy to work. And most of those are ignorant because of being uneducated. Education is free through the high school level and anyone can get a college education if they really want it.

That's fine if you think that yogi, but when making national policy I like to look at raw data, and I'm sorry to say that what you 'think' just isn't backed up by the numbers.

It seems clear to me that there is a huge confirmation bias at play here with a lot of these posters and their views on poverty... I just hope none of you ever have to experience it first hand.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 2:26

yogi, Jack penned the short story: ''A wet bird never fly's at night.''

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 2:31

I have experienced it first hand, anti. Try again.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 2:31

yogi is a weatherman?

By: dargent7 on 2/1/11 at 2:34

Can't we talk some football, already?
"Government teats, King Tuts, mummies, Babaloynia this and that....
yogi: Let's see a show of hands who have a college degree that post on this bored.
Bet you 1, maybe 2.

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 2:36

Anecdotal evidence means almost nothing when discussing broad policies like this gdiafante... unless you agree with dictating national or even state policy based on one person or one group's perceptions of a situation.

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 2:41

Actually, anti, everything here means absolutely nothing. This is an opinion board.

"...unless you agree with dictating national or even state policy based on one person or one group's perceptions of a situation."

But...isn't that exactly what you're arguing? Isn't that exactly how this all works? lol

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 2:46

So what gives you the right to take from another, just any compelling cause? Is there an end to it?

Many people spend more money on their pets than they do charities for people. If left to them to decide they might build a monkey sanctuary and leave the quadriplegic starving. So am I to leave the use of what I earn to society at large, or should the earner not be the proper steward of their resources?

I might agree that you are adept at finding just causes for my money, but I disagree that our government matches your ability. Therein is the controversy of forced charity.

Bastiat called it Philanthropic Tyranny.

Money represents a resource. I say it is an economic vote.

Each paycheck you get allows you to vote your priorities. Some favor a large house and walk to work. Others may want two cars, a small house and a steak dinner every week.

Ben Dover is often chided on here for being something of a capitalist pig, however I believe he is foregoing several hundred dollars in rent, in order to help a family of his own choosing. That's his monetary vote. I differ with you, in that you and I shouldn't choose a charity of our own design for Ben.

I believe in people, and that when people see need, they will freely donate.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 2:46

I am still spinning to think at yogi being a weatherman.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 2:47

My opinions in no way reflect the opinions of this newspaper.
Or anyone living or dead.

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 2:47

I see where Illinois just passed the 'gay marriage law' to place it in effect. Hoo Ray? Does that make the whole state a bunch of ???????

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 2:49

Interesting number of question marks, yogi...the same number in a certain derogatory term for homosexuals. Is this what you meant?

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 2:53

D'Argent, I have a two year degree. Next fall I will return to the academic halls and begin my quest for the four year degree I should have sought about 10+ years ago.

I believe Kosh 3 once said he has a 4 year degree.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 2:55

House Republicans' New Definition of "Rape-Rape"
http://jezebel.com/5746040/house-republicans-new-definition-of-rape+rape

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 2:55

slacker,

We must be distant cousins because I don't drive at night anymore.

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 2:59

rape-rape? Then the link shows "rape+rape", that's some screwed up boolean equations!

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 3:00

I've recently started grad school.

Good luck, Amy. What school are you attending, if you don't mind my asking?

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 3:00

Amy, I believe darge has a BS degree from The University Of Detroit. He graduated couldabeenacontender.

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 3:05

dargent7,

I can't raise my hands (or is it just hand?) as to a college degree. When I was discharged from service jobs were hard to find (back the the mid-50s).

At two interviews I was told they were impressed with my qualifications but their companies required at least 2 years of college; so I enrolled and got two years of college. Then I went to work at another company somewhere else.

Most of my education has been gained through experience. You'll learn a lot that way if you have any basic intelligence; i.e., common sense!

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 3:09

You solved it quickly, gdiafante.

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 3:12

Hey, Amy, move out on a farm and you won't need a degree. Just learn how to plow that corn and milk them cows. Life in the country is a pleasure.

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 3:13

I wouldn't brag about it yogi, I find you disgusting.

By: dargent7 on 2/1/11 at 3:13

Ha, Ha slacker...You might as well know I attended Mango University on O'ahu.
About a mile from where Obama attended Punahou H.S.
I was commenting on what "yogi" said about "anyone can attend college if they want".
College was $16,000. a semester in 1978 when I attended. You needed a 3.75 gpa or higher to even be considered.
Now, U-M is $45,000 a semester. Now you better have a 3.9, be the QB for the FB team, work w/ the blind, and have your daddy's name on a campus building.
Vanderbilt is $65,000. a year.
Trevecca, Lipscomb, and Belmont ( all Christian) are all upwards of $30,000 a school year.
Without a scholarship or wealthy parents, who can afford that?
Tennessee Diesel and Maniford College is only $1.49 a credit hour. Better hurry. Classes are filling up fast.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 3:15

By: yogiman on 12/16/10 at 9:20

In answer to your question at 8:3. I would be happy to compete with you on sanity at any time. I was told I made the highest score the had ever been made on the GED test when I went in the Navy at age 17. I thought the guy was lying but the brilliance I have obviously shown since then I'm sure that man was telling the truth.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 3:21

By: yogiman on 2/1/11 at 12:59
dargent7,

There are records in all phases of life. As an old retired weatherman I can assure you there is acknowledged records of all phases of weather.

By: brrrrk on 2/1/11 at 3:24

Captain Nemo said

House Republicans' New Definition of "Rape-Rape"
http://jezebel.com/5746040/house-republicans-new-definition-of-rape+rape

"Other types of rapes that would no longer be covered by the exemption include rapes in which the woman was drugged or given excessive amounts of alcohol, rapes of women with limited mental capacity, and many date rapes."

Nice......... I'm assuming that our Senators Corker and Alexander will vote for this bill just like they voted against the bill that would have stood up for the rights of rape victims working for military contractors in Iraq.

By: BenDover on 2/1/11 at 3:25

No link, Nemo... just my own observations. Makes as much sense as the goofball CO2 theories that all point at industrial and post industrial civilization as the perpetrator of all of the world's climate woes. Time can be the arbiter... my view will necessarily reach a point of diminishing returns and level out as we continue to our progress toward pollution-control Nirvana. Theirs will roast us to death with exponentially increasing heat and melt the polar ice caps... or will it bring on the new ice age? I can never keep it straight.

I predict their Malthusian theories of doom will continue to crumble and be replaced with ever-more-ridiculous predictions of eminent doom by the hands of a Gaia as backlash against the evils of mankind. About this, I am sure.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 3:38

I thought so Ben. You can explain why there is such an unusual weather change, so you just make something up. Good for you Ben. Good for you.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 3:56

Ben you are always saying that you are good with the math, yet you don’t think that Thomas Malthus might be correct? That human growth would out strip the world food supply.

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-3681958/Doctor-doom-more-than-200.html

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 3:57

Actually, anti, everything here means absolutely nothing. This is an opinion board.

Forgive me, I should have said that anecdotal evidence is not a strong point to argue from. If you are not concerned with the veracity of your arguments then, by all means use it to your hearts content.

"...unless you agree with dictating national or even state policy based on one person or one group's perceptions of a situation."

But...isn't that exactly what you're arguing? Isn't that exactly how this all works? lol

Not at all, but I can see where you get that from. The 'one person or one group' that I am referring to is an isolated group or person (like you, or me, or one community). These groups might use their own, often times limited experience with the groups in question to craft a policy. Our government however, is never simply represented by one person or even one group... the acrimony between the two parties all but ensures that a more exhaustive process is used.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 3:58

Impressive credentials darge. I believe Don Ho was a Mango U grad.
Earned a degree in Hydrology, and turned tiny bubbles into a lifetime of cash.

By: AmyLiorate on 2/1/11 at 4:03

Brrrrk, you can probably count on the Corker/Lamer tag team to vote yes/no or no/yes. Effectively it seems they cancel each other out on most every vote I follow them on. :/

As they might well be neo-cons, I suppose it was par for the course that they supported the military/industrial complex over human rights like a true conservative would. LAME-r Alexander and Bob Cork-it.

Bobby Corker (with banking buddies close at hand) says he went to Greece himself last year and he fully understands our national debt snowball. It's already become an issue of national security and the BEST he can do is come up with a ten year plan!

http://tinyurl.com/corkerISNTcourageous

I think he told several thousand people around the state that have less than five years to fix things or we are over the brink. Yeah, that was 2 months ago.

Feel free to tell him what you think:
http://corker.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=ContactMe

- or -
202-224-3344

Mind you he brags about how Hank Paulsen (US Treasury + Goldman Sachs) called him direct "all the time" so you might have to just leave a message.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 4:05

I got laid because of Don Ho. When on vacation in Hawaii back in the early 70’s the woman I shared a balcony with at the hotel, came for a visit to my room after seeing his show. I like being woken up that way.

By: Loner on 2/1/11 at 4:07

Because my name was brought up, I thought I'd better respond to the earlier posts.

Thanks for that link about the brave humanitarian volunteers in the Holy Land. According to that article, a Palestinian is obliged to pay a cab fare of $90 dollars, one way, just to get to an Israeli hospital.

Imagine a situation in which we Caucasian Christian Americans would not let native Americans off their squalid reservations, to seek medical treatment, unless they came alone, without family members and by way of exorbitant taxi service. That's what the Palestinians face on a routine basis. That's just one small part of their everyday misery. Still, the US taxpayers bankroll, arm and defend the oppressive apartheid Israelis.

We Americans who speak out about this injustice are labeled: "anti-Semites", "terrorist sympathizers", "conspiracy theorists", "racists", "Jew-haters", "Nazis". "Holocaust Deniers" and "Arab lovers"....that's just to name a few of the names that I myself have been called.

Israel's PM is calling for the West, especially the US, to back Mubarak; they claim that Islamist extremists will hijack the Egyptian revolution.

Of course, the Israelis are calling on the US to suspend aid to Egypt, if the revolution results in a regime that is hostile to Israel.

The Israelis are already claiming that Egypt's revolution automatically constitutes an abrogation of the Egypt-Israel peace accords. The old "existential threat" alarm is ringing...as usual.

Thank you, folks, for allowing me to set the record straight.....

IMO, Pres. Truman screwed up royally, by not inviting the Jewish Holocaust survivors to come here to resettle after WW2. Instead of that, he recognized the colonial Jewish State and started up the arming-bankrolling machinery. He may have believed that America's Jews would all pack-up and go to the Jewish State, leaving America Judenfrei.

T. Herzl, the Father of Zionism, predicted that historically anti-Semitic nations would support the Jewish dumping grounds idea. Truman proved his prediction to be accurate.

Those who supported apartheid in South Africa were labeled as bigots. Today, those who condemn Israel's brutal occupation and its apartheid policies are labeled as the bigots....that's AIPAC propaganda at works, folks. Your tax monies pay for the propaganda used to delude you, isn't that special?

Since Israel's national interests are seldom congruent with and never identical to the national interests of the USA, it is beyond foolish to let the Israelis dictate our foreign policy in the ME, or anywhere else.

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 4:09

By anti: "I just hope none of you ever have to experience it first hand."

My response: "I have experienced it first hand, anti".

Hardly the base of an argument, wouldn't you say?

"Our government however, is never simply represented by one person or even one group... the acrimony between the two parties all but ensures that a more exhaustive process is used."

Yes, just look at the health care bill...or the influence of lobbyists, specifically the NRA or big insurance/oil, etc.

Exhastive? Absolutely...especially for the common American citizen.

By: dargent7 on 2/1/11 at 4:10

Slacker: A bit of trivia...I worked at the Ilikai Hotel in Waikiki. Hawaii- 50 was filmed there for a lot of sequences. McGarrett, Dano, Kono, Chin were always running around the Ali Wai Canal chasing bad guys.
It's the Hotel Steve McGarrett is on, top floor, when the camera zoons in on his face, in the opening trailer. I was bussing tables on the first floor. 1976.
So I got that going for me..which is nice.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 4:11

Best post of the day Nemo. Getting laid stories trumps politics.

By: gdiafante on 2/1/11 at 4:12

S/h/b basis of my argument...it's been long day...

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 4:13

Thank you for clearing that up Loner.

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 4:14

Loner, it looks as if you are about to get some of this climate change that Ben thinks is nonsense.

By: dargent7 on 2/1/11 at 4:14

Ok. Who's the wise guy who un-corked Loner's bottle and let the "Zionist/ Israeal/ Palestine/ Gaza Strip/ West Bank" & Egyptian uprising out of the bottle?

By: Captain Nemo on 2/1/11 at 4:19

Paul-

I bet you are glade that you did not have to say that out loud.

By: Loner on 2/1/11 at 4:19

Look it up, Darge, I was summoned to appear, you might say. Blame Amy and Revo-Lou. I certainly realize that I wore out my welcome here, on the LTE boards....the veneer came off the other day....you folks piled on...I got the message.

I like to post here, but there are countless other boards out there...no biggie.

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 4:19

By anti: "I just hope none of you ever have to experience it first hand."

My response: "I have experienced it first hand, anti".

Hardly the base of an argument, wouldn't you say?

I'm not sure what this is about. Clearly that wasn't the basis for an argument, it was a genuine hope. I'm sorry if you have experienced it first hand gdiafante, but it makes me wonder even more how you can support a hard deadline to affordable housing benefits.

"Our government however, is never simply represented by one person or even one group... the acrimony between the two parties all but ensures that a more exhaustive process is used."

Yes, just look at the health care bill...or the influence of lobbyists, specifically the NRA or big insurance/oil, etc.

Exhastive? Absolutely...especially for the common American citizen.

Ok, we are now getting into a different subject altogether. Lobbyists are not the issue at hand, although from the sound of it we share similar views on the limitation of their influence.

By: slacker on 2/1/11 at 4:21

I bussed tables too darge. Its a large Fraternity, and a noble one.

By: Antisocialite on 2/1/11 at 4:25

I hope you don't think I was 'piling on' Loner. I just think that you tend to go off topic, and get a bit hyperbolic about Israel... just an opinion. And really, who doesn't do this every now and then about something they are passionate about.

Like I said the other day, I agree with just about every argument you post about Israel.