Letter to the editor: What 'cool efficiency' of law enforcement?

Monday, December 31, 2012 at 3:56pm

J.R. Lind (“On arming teachers and other reactionary notions,” Dec. 24) refers to “the cool efficiency of law enforcement” while deriding proposals to restore law-abiding citizens' right to protect themselves in so-called “gun free zones.”

What “cool efficiency” did law enforcement display in taking 20 minutes to arrive at Sandy Hook Elementary school as students and teachers huddled under desks, defenseless to fight back against a demented assailant? Once the killer realized a gun was pointed at him, he took his own life, thus ending his murderous rampage.

What “cool efficiency” did law enforcement display in New York last August, when they sprayed the Empire State Building area with sixteen rounds, injuring nine innocent bystanders in addition to felling the suspect?

What “cool efficiency” has law enforcement displayed nationwide during its recent epidemic of family pet shootings — a crisis that has led to the creation of Facebook pages and YouTube compilations?

However, we should give credit to law enforcement for one thing: creating a workplace environment for themselves that discourages the types of incidents we’ve seen in “gun free zones.”

—Charles Held, of Mount Holly, N.C.

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66 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 12/31/12 at 6:05

Typical, right wing letter.
Ok, sure, let's arm all the school Principals and teachers with a Glock.
Do you favor a 30 round clip, sir?
This Sandy Hook shooter bypassed the front door buzzer and entered thru a window.
He knew the school's layout.
You want a Principal running down the hall armed with an AR-15 assault rifle, going door to door, kicking them in, like a Navy SEAL?
Never going to happen in America.
Put metal dectors in the front door and have an off duty sherrif monitor the comings and goings.
If two guys walk up in black trench coats carrying duffle bags.....LOCK THE FRONT DOORS, and call 9-11.

By: Ask01 on 12/31/12 at 6:11

It is bilious letters such as this which will eventually turn the average citizen against the pro gun factions.

I suppose the writer will guarantee all the "George Zimmerman" style vigilantes needing some sort of authority over people to bolster their self esteem won't emulate their hero and make the situation worse or perhaps even trigger an incident.

There is every possibility, I will admit, having someone armed and possessing a level head, steady hand, situational awareness and composure under stress might alter the outcome of such tragedies as Sandy Hook.

There is, however, an equal chance, I believe, the armed person could freeze under fire, get themselves killed, and drive the shooter into a more serious rage. They could, I imagine, actually end up killing some they are charged with protecting as they wildly return fire.

Of course, I suppose if they draw fire to themselves while others escape, they would also serve a purpose.

By: Ask01 on 12/31/12 at 6:33

I hasten to point out, dargent7, the origin of the letter.

I left that state many years ago, believing the place to be an embarrassing social, psychological, and economic cesspool.

My opinion has not changed.

By: Rasputin72 on 12/31/12 at 7:03

The letter out of Mt Holly, N.C. to a Nashville, Tn newspaper reminded me of the identicalsurveys by Ebony/Jet and Country Living magazines.

By: yogiman on 12/31/12 at 9:33

Have any of you wondered why you never heard of the San Antonio incident? On Sunday, December 17, 2012, 2 days after the CT shooting a man went in a restaurant in San Antonio TX to kill his ex-girlfriend. After he shot her, most of the people in the restaurant fled to a theater next door. The gunman following them into the theater so he could shoot more people.

He started shooting and the people started running and screaming. It was like the Aurora CO theater story plus a restaurant.

So why wasn't this a headline story over the national news media like the school shooting?

Simple: There was an off duty deputy at the theater. She pulled her gun and shot the man 4 times before he could kill anyone. So I guess it isn't very good news to the media if a good person uses a gun to stop a bad from killing someone with a gun.

That incident was only reported by the local media. I guess it just wasn't news worth reporting, eh?

By: govskeptic on 1/1/13 at 6:06

Bravery to confront a shooter is just as likely to come from a principal or teacher as it
is from a uniformed officer or rent a cop, if that principal or teacher has been well
trained and practiced with a hand gun. This nationwide publicity and attention given
these shooters creates perfectly the backdrop for others with the same ills and
hopes for an eternal reputation to carryout or attempt the same thing themselves.
These same actions take place when a noted celebrity commits suicide. Many others
across the nation do the same thing, often in the exact same way and has been
publicized in the press.

Germany has strict gun laws and recently had 16 school children shot by a deranged
fellow just as in NewTown

By: yogiman on 1/1/13 at 7:51

But it seems to depend on who the media is giving the publicity to, govskeptic. And really, how many teachers do you know you would think would love to carry a gun in to class with them? I'd say many teachers would leave the profession if they had to get a permit. Their primary concern should be the children's safety.

It's a shame we need armed guards in the schools of today. What are the children learning? They need to be learning how to take this nation back from the invaders of today (they're called members of our congress).

By: yogiman on 1/1/13 at 8:13

How about starting the new year off with a good rain ride, folks. Relax and enjoy it. Maybe it'll ease your mind.

www.openmyeyeslord.net/TrainRide.swf

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 8:44

Charles Held of Mount Holly, NC probably has a white muslin sheet with matching hood stashed in his bedroom closet...right next to the furled Stars & Bars. This gun-loving joker shows us his utter contempt for law enforcement...he thinks that the 2nd amendment is there, so that disgruntled and frustrated citizens can take up arms against the duly elected government....typical rebel interpretation of the dangerous amendment....hopefully, somebody is keeping close tabs on Mr. Charles Held in NC.....and the millions of idiots like him.

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 8:52

Yogi sez: "It's a shame we need armed guards in the schools of today. What are the children learning? They need to be learning how to take this nation back from the invaders of today (they're called members of our congress)."

Yogi is now calling for armed insurrection against Congress...we know that he has threatened the POTUS in the past; denying Obama's legitimacy...sadly, there are millions of Yogis and Charles Helds out there....if BHO survives four more years as POTUS, it will be a miracle.

The NRA is the primary source of this heretical view of the 2nd amendment. Suggesting that the 2nd amendment is there, so that armed citizens can revolt against their government is seditious by nature and it promotes and "justifies" domestic terrorism. The NRA needs to be outlawed; along with the other gun lobbies....they are promoting domestic terror....La Pierre ought to do a nice long prison stretch...he is an accomplice to mass murder.

By: bfra on 1/1/13 at 9:39

Loner - Trolls have no meaning in life. They will say or do anything that they think will get them noticed. It doesn't have to make sense, follow any discussion or offer any solution, just so "they think" it gets them noticed.

By: yogiman on 1/1/13 at 9:39

Loner,

You're as full of sh!t as a Christmas turkey... and I mean a big turkey for a big family.

You continue to claim Obama is in office legally but you can't prove it. Why not? Because you don't know who in the hell he is. You "insiders" claim you have offered me proof, but you don't seem to be able to repeat it.

If you had the slightest imp of intelligence you would think anyone in that office would throw the papers on their desk at the beginning. But no, you man has his papers locked up in a very secure safe.

Please, with your intelligence, tell me how a British subject (even if he was born in Hawaii) can be eligible for that office. Especially one who became an Indonesian citizen. By what law did he use to repatriate to his American citizenship; which at the best could only have been dual-citizenship. When did a dual-citizen become eligible?

Tell me, Loner, is this man an American citizen? Has he ever been? Do we have a Kenyan citizen or Indonesian citizen in that office? If you aren't a fellow communist with him, you had better wake up, Loner.

By: bfra on 1/1/13 at 9:51

Loner - The troll always comes back with this "BS" which only proves my point.

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 9:59

Bfra, I left this post here, just a few minutes ago, I think that it fits here too.

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-voices/burch-moment-silence?page=3

Text of post:

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 8:53

Captain Nemo said it well, in his 11:41 post...I agree, sir.

Troll droppings do tend to stink up the room...lots of great posters have left...the constant "usurper" whine of our half-wit racist troll has caused a run for the exits over time.

Budlight, Parnell and Rasputin are more tolerable...even entertaining at times...like any of us they have their shortcomings; but they do not seem to have the depraved attitude of the BHO-obsessed gunner who posts here as, "Yogiman".

I'm no holyman, but there is something very unholy about Yogi's obsession with the President of the United States....I'm no physician, but Yogiman is obviously a sick man....he brags about his gun rights and shooting skills....but, unless he acts upon his wicked thoughts, there is nothing that the authorities can do....he's a human time-bomb?

By: bfra on 1/1/13 at 10:04

Lover - None you mentioned offer any logical comments, but the alpha troll has been posting this "false" BS starting on the 5th year. He has been shown PROOF positive disputing his false claims and doesn't have enough sense to read. He has no place on a discussion board!

By: Captain Nemo on 1/1/13 at 10:05

What a stupid opening, "Have any of you wonder why you never heard about the San Antonio incident." If we had would not be laughing at this dumb as statement now.

If stupid could been transfer into energy, yogi then would be useful.

By: Ask01 on 1/1/13 at 10:07

I grew up around guns, before and during my military career, and have no inate fear of them. Nor do I worship them as some here, seeming to feel them a vital accessory for an evening out, or an indespensable compensator for some social, economic, or physical inadequacy.

I accept and respect Loner's opinion, although I do disagree with the principle of total confiscation.

Not because of some misguided misinterpretation of the Second Amendment, paranoid fear of the ubiquitous, faceless 'bad guys' or a totalitarian government. I just believe trying to confiscate guns will be as successful as the current war on drugs and the previous failed social experiment, prohibition.

Plus, I do enjoy target shooting, (papercut outs, bottles, tin cans, etc.) as an exercise in the skill of hand eye coordination.

There is, however, a limit, and I believe our Founding Fathers, were they able to foresee the circumstances we have today, would have placed some more definite restrictions in the Second Amendment.

I have pointed out previously, my comments falling only mostly, but not all, deaf ears, that inflammatory letters from gun enthusiasts, hinting at insurrection, expressing concerns about fighting the government, bemoaning a totl distrust of and faith in the law, and suggestions of outright defiance do nothing to advance their cause except among the already true believers, serving to further agitate the already agitated.

There are already restrictions on the ownership of fully automatic weapons. I understand some governing bodies have restricted certain classes of weapons, such as sniper rifles. There is no need for an average citizen to own certain classes of weapons, and once they are banned, police can pretty much shoot to kill anyone seen carrying one at a scene. (Although, as evil as the thought may be, there are some I hope do defy the ban, and rush out to play, in their own mind anyway, hero.)

Accept the handwriting on the wall. There will be a change and restrictions imposed. This can be done, has been done, and will be done again, all without impeding the basic right to own some sort of firearm as claimed in the broadest interpretations of the amendment. The public sentiment will allow no less.

As a postscript, Loner, I feel certain the appropriate authorities have some file on those you mentioned and others. Threats and questionable suspicious statements have, and I suppose always will, be taken seriously. Ironically, the subjects will never realize they have been investigated or watched. They should really exercise caution.

By: bfra on 1/1/13 at 10:12

Loner - Sorry about that error in your handle!

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 10:13

It is difficult to wonder about something that one has never heard about...you got that right, Captain.

I love you too, Bfra.

And a Happy, Healthy & Prosperous New Year's Wish to All....we are all God's children, or so they claim...all men are brothers...all women are sisters. Let there be peace on earth....that is my wish today, the first day of the new year.

By: bfra on 1/1/13 at 10:16

Ask01 - You are probably right on the files, I didn't know until I applied for a Gov. contract (business) that I had A1 FBI clearance. How I have it & why, I have never known.

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 10:17

That was no error, Bfra...but I'll let you hide behind the fig leaf of "honest error"; if that is your choice....and yes, I do love you; that was no typo.

By: Ask01 on 1/1/13 at 10:17

My fellow posters, I would like to propose we no longer pay any attention or respond to any of our trolls comments. I make a conscious effort to ignore his droppings, rarely directly responding to his bilious rantings. Only when the insanity reaches a crescendo do I lower myself to acknowledging his spittle ridden diatribes.

He will find those of a common ilk to sympathize, but I believe we need to merely shun the troll on our own. I don't advocate seeking an NCP imposed ban on him because he does have the right to express himself (soil himself and embarrass himself) in public. Plus, so long as he is posting we, and the ever watchful authorities, know what is pinging about his near empty brain pan.

Lord knows, he is not bashful about displaying his shortcomings.

By: bfra on 1/1/13 at 10:19

I also want to wish everyone a Happy, Healthy & Prosperous New Year! That doesn't keep me from also wishing the trolls would get some sense so they could add to the discussions.:-)

By: bfra on 1/1/13 at 10:20

Thanks Loner - I wuv you too!

By: Captain Nemo on 1/1/13 at 10:27

I like Lover. lol

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 10:30

I respect your opinions too, Ask01 and I admire your command of the English language.

I admit it, rounding up all the guns is never going to happen...and neither is a totally effective, voluntary, gun surrender-amnesty program. With nearly 300 million guns in a nation of 300 million people, guns will always be available here in the USA.

Gun Laws are not effective, if they are not enforced....no argument there.

Criminals are scofflaws by nature; they will always be able to get their hands an guns....sad, but true....no argument from me on that point.

I do not claim to have a Master Plan for dealing with America's Gun Violence problem.

But, just because there is no easy, comprehensive, and doable plan on the table does not mean that we should concede the argument for regulating guns and gunners.

We regulate motor vehicles and drivers, for the safety and well-being of the general public; it makes perfect sense that we should do the same with firearms and those who own and use them. Motor vehicles are not designed to kill...firearms are....if we regulate the former, we should certainly regulate the latter.

By: yogiman on 1/1/13 at 10:32

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything."
-Albert Einstein

I'm not one of you who are sitting around worshiping someone in office whom you have no idea who in the hell he is.

You are either pro-American, or anti-American. By supporting someone you don't know, like you all are supporting Barry Soetoro (Barry's last known legal name), is like giving your dog your biggest steak for supper.

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 10:36

Ask01's 9:17 post makes sense....Operation: "Ignore the Ignoramus". is now in effect, here on my end...I will use the (click) feature, if frustration sets in...I'm only human.

By: yogiman on 1/1/13 at 10:55

Folks,

You all can "say" what you wish about me; that is the least of my worry in my life. I will continue to comment how I can't understand how anyone can accept someone as their president when they don't even know who he is and aren't concerned that he refuses to identify himself. The stupidity side of that factor is your side.

You all seem to also be in favor of the government's gun control. Can you name one nation with a dictator who weren't denied the use of guns?

Why was the first thing Barry Soetoro did was set up a "private army'? Why is he reducing the military services now?

If you're in favor of him as your dictator as you all seem to be, stand by him by all means. I prefer the good old USA I grew up in and want to know who in the hell is in that office.

You might should "listen" to a woman who survived Adolph Hitler in Germany. And the first though on that issue: Hitler was not a German by birth.

www.blog.belief.net/on_the_front_lines_of_the_culture_wars/2011/04/she-survived-hitler-and-wants-to-warn-america.html

By: yogiman on 1/1/13 at 10:57

Before you all go, Loner, how about giving me Obama's proof one more time. After all, did you only have to say one thing to your children to teach then a lesson? How many times did your parents tell you your name so you would know who you was?

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 10:59

One cannot legally operate a motor vehicle when intoxicated...that makes sense and few can argue against the wisdom of the law...in contrast, the second amendment places no such restriction on a gunner...in fact there are absolutely no restrictions on guns and gunners in the US Constitution...same for the defunct CSA's Constitution....and the NRA is fighting to keep it that way....regardless of the carnage.

Of course, although it was not codified by law, the right to keep and bear arms was never universal...the natives, (the American Indians) & African Negro slaves were not included in the so-called, "right" to keep and bear arms. That was a tacit agreement among the fellows who we call: The Founders.

Those guys were only human, they made some mistakes....were a little too optimistic, perhaps...a little too trusting in the sanity and goodness of the people....they did the best they could, with what they had to work with...but we can improve things today, knowing what we now know.

There must be some common ground here...it helps to cool down, before trying to find it...maybe a round of Kum-By-Yah and some kind herb in the pipe of peace?

From Willie Nelson and Stephen Colbert....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb1qMfamgUU

By: Captain Nemo on 1/1/13 at 11:02

In Mr. Held’s letter he wonders “what cool efficiency did law enforcement display in taking 20 minutes to arrive at Sandy hook Elementary school…”

Indeed Mr. Held, what would you suggest, school teachers stand guard at the door of each classroom with a gun in their hands looking at the door instead of teaching math, reading or history? It is so easy to lash out with a letter after the facts and not think about the reality of your angry thoughts.

Has it ever accrued to you to look up and see how long it takes the police to respond to all crimes and not just this one particular case? How often a Sandy Hook like case happen and there is a next time will it be just like Sandy Hook. I wonder why your stand is for more guns, when early prevention could have saved lives. Why not demand more for mental health cares to prevent such things as this ever taking place?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/1/13 at 11:06

My biggest concern over guns is not the ones in the hands of criminals, but the nuts that think the only answer is to shoot first and ask questions later.

By: Captain Nemo on 1/1/13 at 11:11

Nice link Loner and thanks.

By: Ask01 on 1/1/13 at 11:17

Thank you, Loner.

It is amazing what can come about when people are rational and reasonable, is it not?

I wish you and yours, in fact all of my fellow posters, even the trolls, a very Happy and Prosperous New Year.

To quote Tiny Tim, Christmas being past, but the sentiment ever valid, "God bless us everyone."

(I must run now and get the collard greens on the stove.)

By: Captain Nemo on 1/1/13 at 11:18

Here is something to think about.

Fact Check: How Quickly Do Police Arrive?

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/fact/article_d207165c-aed8-11df-ba20-001cc4c002e0.html

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 11:19

For those American Patriots who wrap themselves up in the flag while holding a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other, let's review the Bill of Rights, to see if any of those ideas are Christ-centered and/or derived from Hebrew or New Testament Scripture....or were they purely secular notions, with no relationship to Judeo-Christianity....here we go:

The Bill of Rights:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment VII

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

End of the list...and quite frankly, I do not see any evidence to support the claim that this nation was founded upon Judeo-Christian ideology...in fact, there is ample evidence to the contrary....the Bill of Rights was neither Christ-centered or Scriptural...it was totally secular in nature.

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 11:29

See ya, Ask01...I can smell the bacon on your collard greens? Enjoy!

By: Loner on 1/1/13 at 11:57

The War on Terror and the War on Drugs have gutted the 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th amendments...and this was done without Constitutional Amendments that would alter the original document....the Constitution is venerable, but less than sacrosanct....it is also vulnerable; it has been hammered upon and circumvented...but the 2nd Amendment remains inviolate and functionally unchallengeable.... and recently reviewed and SCOTUS-approved.

Gun-safety advocates have their work cut out for them....regulating firearms and firearms owners is perceived as being un-American. It's true, Americans generally love their guns.....and that fact is not apt to change anytime soon.

Americans once loved Tobacco and smoker's rights so much that they tolerated toxic second-hand smoke... for generations...but a tipping point came....the rights of the smokers no longer trump the rights of the non-smokers.

Someday, the rights of the gunners will no longer trump the rights of the non-gunners....so, keep the faith.

By: yogiman on 1/1/13 at 12:35

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." - Abraham Lincoln

It looks like old man Abe was right with so many people accepting a "leader" they don't even know, doesn't it? When the "government" (that we elected) succeeds in taking full control, we've lost our freedom.

You're either with them, or against them. I love my freedoms too much to give the people who were elected to represent us the power to rule over us.

And by the way, I'm still waiting for one more piece of proof Soetoro aka Obama is in that office legally.

Have all of you lost it?

By: Captain Nemo on 1/1/13 at 2:23

Loner say, "Someday, the rights of the gunners will no longer trump the rights of the non-gunners....so, keep the faith."

I don’t see that day anytime soon Loner, but I can see gun restriction happening. It won’t be the cause of any anti-gun activism, but it will because of the gun enthusiasts. Too many are showing signs of paranoia and will start killing innocent people in malls school yards or other place to which they think there is a threat.

The rush to buy guns because of a rumor is but only one signs of this mental unstableness.

By: bfra on 1/1/13 at 2:43

Nemo - You are correct on the metal issue IMO. The people I know (hunters & target shooters) have no desire to run out & purchase an assault weapon. But then I don't hang around unstable people.

By: parnell3rd on 1/1/13 at 9:04

bfra, yes you do, you hang out with the libtards in this discussion group! hahahah That was a good one admit it!

By: parnell3rd on 1/1/13 at 9:06

So let me get this straight. If your life is in danger, you do not want anyone to interfere and save you life? Okay, got it!

By: bfra on 1/2/13 at 4:22

p3 - You really should go back to school! You have a bad problem with comprehending what has been posted.

By: parnell3rd on 1/2/13 at 7:29

Let's see Nanci Pelosi's and Chuck Schumers districts were the first to recieve federal tax money for armed guards in schools. But you ignore that don't you bfra?
The letter to the editor is spot on.
Really what has posted, you mean the propaganda that libtards put out? Yep! Yall are some kool aide drinkers.

By: yogiman on 1/2/13 at 7:49

You just don't seem to understand, parnell3rd, if you don't think like the "special six" on this site you just don't know what you're "talking about".

They all seem to think (know) Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama is constitutionally qualified to be our president but they can't seem to post his eligibility. Hell, don't none of them even know if the man is an American citizen or not; let alone a natural born citizen.

By: yogiman on 1/2/13 at 8:41

As an NRA member, bfra, ya wanna hear a good joke about Dianne Feinstein on her goal not take our gun rights away from us? Listen to her say why she owns a gun and has a carry permit. I guess she's different, eh?

www.partiotaction.net/forum/topic/show?id=2600775%3ATopic%3A6042002&xcs=1xg_source=msg_share_topic/

You might have a good laugh to start your day.

By: yogiman on 1/2/13 at 8:42

oops, I put a "not" in where I should have not. Erase the "not" after goal and replace it with [to].

By: budlight on 1/2/13 at 9:39

: bfra on 1/1/13 at 8:39
Loner - Trolls have no meaning in life. They will say or do anything that they think will get them noticed. It doesn't have to make sense, follow any discussion or offer any solution, just so "they think" it gets them noticed.

And your lame, condescending posts don't get you noticed? You are a media hog, bfra. And now we know you're having some type of affair with your Lover Loner. Error? No, freudian slip.

Loner, you are "ass"uming that the man in NC is a member of the klan. How presumptous of you. You think your opinion is gospel and it's not.

The case Yogi referred to in Texas is an example of how a trained gun owner can respond. Everyone who owns a gun is not a nut case.

AND this is the most ascenine comment ever on CP: By: Captain Nemo on 1/1/13 at 10:06
My biggest concern over guns is not the ones in the hands of criminals, but the nuts that think the only answer is to shoot first and ask questions later."

Criminals actually think the only answer is to shoot first NEMROID; that's why they call them criminals. Stupid stupid comment you made. Please show me a criminal intelligent enough to ask questions first. There are none. Unless of course you consider the types of criminals running the White House who only sit around pondering how they can be richer, ie, Obama.