Letters to the Editor

Sunday, August 2, 2009 at 11:00pm

Don’t pay for abortions with our taxes

Like many families across the country, my own family is struggling to make ends meet, pay the bills and fill up the car with gas. Now President Obama wants to tax my family even more to pay for the trillion-dollar health care bill.

But that’s not the worst of it. He is mandating that abortion be covered under the health care plan, meaning that my family will be paying for abortions, whether we want to or not.

Whether or not I am pro-life or pro-choice is irrelevant. Abortion does not fall under the guise of health care and is not a right. I believe it is my choice to decide whether or not I should be funding abortion and whether or not I should be forced to fund it under bureaucrat-run health care.

Tell Congress to vote against any proposal that forces Americans to pay for abortion.

Michelle Sanders Brinson, 37203

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152 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 8/3/09 at 9:49

id: So, the "abortion provision" in Obama's Health Care Plan, is a way of "controlling the population"? Mass genocide? That's his ulterior motive? You need to get on some meds, get several guns and rifles, hunker down with the other fly-wheels that frequent this forum, and prepare yourself for Armaggedon. With a little luck and your belief in Jesus, you can live for eternity in Heaven. Oh, boy! Luck you!

By: Dragon on 8/3/09 at 9:49

Blanket, the majority of abortion occur during the first trimester, the health of the child or mother is NOT the deciding factor. Here is a study (granted, from 2005).

Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health
Volume 37, Number 3, September 2005
Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives

RESULTS: The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents' or partners' desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents."

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.html

By: gdiafante on 8/3/09 at 9:54

Just think, if those women would have chosen to NOT abort, then Dragon and Id would be able to ridicule the women and their children for being deadbeats. That's the real reason they complain about the issue.

But, again, at least they had a choice.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 9:56

Dragon, so we should make it illegal so that the people who truly do need it won't have it available? Wow.

Also, if you want to quote the Guttmacher Institute, how do you feel about their stance on Abstinence Only?

"Dr. Sharon Camp, President of the Guttmacher Institute, is obviously attempting to remain calm in the face of what I see as an all-out assault on women, particularly lower-income women. We have known for a long while now that abortion rates have been declining among upper income women. At the same time, abortions have been increasing among lower income women. This should not be a surprise. Our federal government has funneled hundreds of millions of dollars into unscientific, ultimately failed abstinence-ONLY programs and "crisis pregnancy centers" (centers which are essentially pro-life advocacy organizations tied more often than not to ultra-religious Christian denominations with a particularly narrow forced birth agenda) in the name of preventing unplanned pregnancies."

http://tikvahgirl.blogspot.com/2006/08/economics-of-abortion-guttmacher.html

Or do you just pick and choose?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 9:59

45.8 million Americans do not have health care coverage. Women in this country without health insurance are less likely to use birth control if they have to pay for it out of pocket - simply because then they cannot afford it. At $25/dose and the possibility for over-the-counter access, emergency contraception can be a tremendous reproductive health tool for women who do not want to get pregnant.

One only needs to look at this country's increasing numbers of women in need of publicly funded contraception to see how this affects the growing abortion disparity. According to the Guttmacher Institute, about half of the 66.3 million women in this country of reproductive age (33.4 million women) were in need of contraceptive services. Of those women–17.4 million–were in need of publicly funded contraceptive services and supplies, an increase of one million women since 2000.

To be clear, these women are low-income and they are not getting the birth control services they need to take control of their reproductive and sexual health care. According to Guttmacher "the number of women who have incomes below 250% of the federal poverty level or are younger than 20–increased by 6%. Meanwhile, the number of women of reproductive age and the total number of women in need of contraceptive services each rose by only 1%, indicating that the broader economic trends of the period, rather than population growth, drove the change."

By: dargent7 on 8/3/09 at 9:59

gd: Problem is, if that's all they did, great. But their calcified brains and stauch "experiences" are thrust upon newer generations, which just takes us all down. It's 2009. Who cares what my grandpa went thru protrayed as relevant to today?

By: Dragon on 8/3/09 at 10:01

Blanket, I'm not taking a position, just pointing out the fallacy of thinking abortion is not birth control or that it is largely due to the health of the mother or child. The vast majority of abortions are because of unintended pregnancy.

By: gdiafante on 8/3/09 at 10:01

Agreed. Eventually that archaic thinking has to die away...right?

By: idgaf on 8/3/09 at 10:03

Can't answer a few simple questions. As usual the leftys are firing blanks.

The only thing they have is name calling.

Have a good day your childish dialog gets boring.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 10:04

id, i answered your questions.

By: gdiafante on 8/3/09 at 10:08

I like calling you names id, they fit. Considering your history, you have no reason to talk...yet you do. Gotta love the power of the internet...gives stupid people a way to prove it.

By: house_of_pain on 8/3/09 at 10:08

1: The government is always using tax money for things that many(if not most) taxpayers don't agree with.
2: Other people's medical decisions are none of your business.
3: Why b!tch about something that doesn't have a direct effect on you or your family? If you are against abortion, don't have one.

By: dargent7 on 8/3/09 at 10:08

gd: So, you wanna play afer all?
"Isn't it a Pity"
One for you: (easy) What did "Apple Scruffs" refer to?

By: gdiafante on 8/3/09 at 10:12

Wait Dargent, are you saying "Isn't it a pity" as response to my question?

Apple scruffs were fans that hung out outside of the Apple building.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 10:15

By: house_of_pain on 8/3/09 at 10:08
1: The government is always using tax money for things that many(if not most) taxpayers don't agree with.
2: Other people's medical decisions are none of your business.
3: Why b!tch about something that doesn't have a direct effect on you or your family? If you are against abortion, don't have one.

Exactly!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 10:25

Dragon, the Guttmacher Institue is part of planned parenthood so their study is based upon the women who went to Planned Parenthood. therefore the study does not include women who went to other physicians for abortions so the statistics are not accurate for the population overall.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 10:29

http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/weekly/aa062600c.htm

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 10:36

http://trueslant.com/pattihartigan/2009/06/07/lets-be-honest-about-so-called-serial-abortions/

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 10:51

House

1: The government is always using tax money for things that many(if not most) taxpayers don't agree with.

Answer - which means we have the right to bitch about how they are spending our money...might not do any good, but since it IS our money, we have the right to bitch about it.

2: Other people's medical decisions are none of your business.

AH but if OUR money is being used to PAY for their medical decisions, it then IS our business as it is our money they are utilizing.

3: Why b!tch about something that doesn't have a direct effect on you or your family? If you are against abortion, don't have one.

Because it is OUR money which is financing something which is against our religion and hence DOES have a direct affect on us and our families. Difficult to teach your kids that abortion is wrong if our government says it is right and is financing it.

By: slacker on 8/3/09 at 10:54

All LTE's starting with ''I don't want my taxes paying for (fill in the blank)'', should be aborted. It would relieve an always predictable, and boring outcome.
I would like to see more LTE's on a possible nuclear device, planted in a major U.S. city. In other words a discussion on something that might happen. Or maybe a movie with a happy ending for the blanketnazi.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 11:06

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 10:51
Because it is OUR money which is financing something which is against our religion and hence DOES have a direct affect on us and our families. Difficult to teach your kids that abortion is wrong if our government says it is right and is financing it.

Chief, you have the right to raise your child any way you like, however you do not have the right to force your dogma upon other people.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 11:09

Blanket,

Blanket, true...but the same holds for those who DO support abortion...they do not have the right to force their views on us. And we DO have the right to protest spending of tax money which we think is wrong.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 11:10

I'm shocked...SHOCKED, I tell you, at this news! NOT!

2 Obama officials: No guarantee taxes won't go up
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2-Obama-officials-No-apf-2491158742.html?x=0&.v=7

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 11:12

Now how can this be? I thought socialized medicine was a superior system???

Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections

Tens of thousands with chronic back pain will be forced to live in agony after a decision to slash the number of painkilling injections issued on the NHS, doctors have warned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5955840/Patients-forced-to-live-in-agony-after-NHS-refuses-to-pay-for-painkilling-injections.html

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 11:13

chief, no one is making you have an abortion. that is not forcing their views on you. You preventing someone from the option IS enforcing your views upon them. Protest all you want but remember that it is a personal family decision that is none of your business.

By: gdiafante on 8/3/09 at 11:14

"All LTE's starting with ''I don't want my taxes paying for (fill in the blank)'', should be aborted. It would relieve an always predictable, and boring outcome."

Amen brother...

I think "24" set off a nuke a few seasons ago slacker...never really followed up on the residuals though...of course it was LA...

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 11:17

I still want retro abortions included.

By: slacker on 8/3/09 at 11:17

gdiafante, they haven't developed a nuclear device yet, that will stop Jack Bauer.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 11:17

Blanket,

No you aren't forcing anyone not to have an abortion but they ARE trying to force us to finance one.

Why not just not put it on healthcare? That way, if someone wants one, they can pay for it themselves and be responsible for it by themselves.

It is a personal family decision as long as the person and/or their family is paying for it...they accept responsibility for it. If WE pay for it, then we have some responsibility for it too. Simple as that.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 11:19

no, it's not that simple. the cases that are not "birth control" should be covered. why not?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 11:20

Blanket,

BTW, HOW are we preventing someone from exercising the option if we aren't paying for it? How are they getting them now? THEY are paying for it...so we aren't forcing them to do a darn thing.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 11:21

see above....if it is medically necessary it should be covered.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 11:22

Blanket,

Because it is difficult to determine what is birth control and what is not. Point is, if it's not included, then there is no issue. There's nothing that says they can't get one...just not on the taxpayers dime.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 11:23

Blanket,

Ok then, if it's medically necessary, then the DOCTOR should make the decision, yes?

By: gdiafante on 8/3/09 at 11:23

No nuclear device, but a biological agent has put him in a coma...to a mortal man, being exposed to the safe metal container would have been fatal...

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 11:25

chief, the doctor would know if it is necessary or not.

hey, how about if i say we don't include anxiety meds because they are so often abused. let's just ban those and keep them away from the folks who need them, that way the abusers can't get them.

By: slacker on 8/3/09 at 11:27

gdiafante, true but.. I suspect the headbutt, he put on the gay guy contributed.

By: Kosh III on 8/3/09 at 11:27

Chief---your own words

"Difficult to teach your kids that WAR is wrong if our government says it is right and is financing it.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 11:27

Blanket,

Sure the doctor would...that's the point. Most doctors know that most abortions are NOT medically necessary.

Hey works for me. Let them buy the own. Better yet, let's drop the whole thing...that works even better for me.

By: gdiafante on 8/3/09 at 11:28

Blanket, you have abandoned our agreement to avoid certain zealous fanatics. Therefore, no beer for you! :P

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 11:31

Kosh,

True...and I didn't hear anyone saying you didn't have the right to protest the war...hence there were those protesting. Same rights.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/3/09 at 11:36

Wow! I didn't know this was coming out. Looks like some people don't like what's coming out of DC anyway. I also heard there were posters on this theme in LA, of ALL places!!!

http://www.zazzle.com/dvnelson72

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 11:42

By: gdiafante on 8/3/09 at 11:28
Blanket, you have abandoned our agreement to avoid certain zealous fanatics. Therefore, no beer for you! :P

I apologize. If I cease and desist, can I have a beer? lol!

By: dargent7 on 8/3/09 at 11:43

Re: Abortion issue....the fact, sadly but true, is that pre-teens are having SEX. At 11 or 12. Certainly by 16. They need to know the FACTS of what constitutes "sex", intercourse", heavy petting", oral sex'...etc. The moronic Republicans will say, "Just Say No!"...like that worked out so well on drug usage in the USA which has always been out of control.
Several posters here, think their "princesses", angels", nieces, aren't having sex. THEY ARE. And they wouldn't come to you for advice, information, EVER. They rely on each other, Planned Parenthood, etc.
So, sticking your heads in the sand (what else is new for a Republican?) will not make it go away. Ban abortion. Go ahead, Make my day.

By: gdiafante on 8/3/09 at 11:44

You can have six...lol

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/3/09 at 11:45

By: gdiafante on 8/3/09 at 11:44
You can have six...lol

Wow, consider it done!

By: slacker on 8/3/09 at 11:50

daegent, please clarify. Does heavy petting, result in reaching third base?

By: house_of_pain on 8/3/09 at 12:29

After I abort my glasses tomorrow(in favor of contacts),
I'm taking the rest of the day off.
Does anyone have any unfinished drinking business I could handle for you? I'm helpful like that.

By: brrrrk on 8/3/09 at 12:43

So here's the strategy being promoted by Big Medicine and the Right Wing to disrupt your town hall meetings with your congressman. Their intent is simply to shut down any discussion. Is this really Democracy in action? Sounds like brown shirt tactics and intimidation to me...

1. Artificially Inflate Your Numbers: “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.”

2. Be Disruptive Early And Often: “You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.”

3. Try To “Rattle Him,” Not Have An Intelligent Debate: “The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions.”

4. We obviously need some way to recognize each other in case we need to riot or something. However, we need a way that doesn’t automatically tip off to our opponents that we are hear to disrupt their meetings. I think if we all wear brown shirts, it’ll be subtle enough not to be noticed by security and is a distinct enough color that it should be a give away.

5. During the speech, we should let the world know what we think of the Democrats’ nazi tacticts to promote socialism by standing with the Nazi salute as a sign of our disrespect.

6. Don’t forget you are going into Democratic territory. You may want to carry a small stick or club of some kind that you can keep for your personal protection. I doubt you would need it, but it couldn’t hurt. Also, while we have the right to bear arms and in many states to conceal carry, we don’t want the news headlines if you do get arrested. Carrying a club is much better for our image.

7. If you are questioned by anybody there, don’t give them the satisfaction of admitting you are a Republican. In fact, I wouldn’t even tell them that you are an American. If you can adopt a foreign accent…possibly a German one, you can pretend you are simply a tourist passing through.

By: slacker on 8/3/09 at 12:44

pain, be careful. Heavy drinking leads to heavy petting.