Letters to the Editor

Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 12:00am

‘Sick bill’ needs a cure

We do need legislation to change the health insurance paradigm. We need for patients to be more responsible for paying their doctors and more responsible for their own health. We need to assume that adults are intelligent and can make wise decisions for themselves.

None of these things are in the Democrats’ bill. The more I read about this legislation, with page references and the document available for confirmation, the more I see this as a benevolent tyrant’s dream come true.

The frenzy by Democrats and President Obama to pass "health care reform" would otherwise be curious if not for the intention to keep the details fuzzy. From the Solons who brought us the $400 hammer, freezers full of cash and the GM bailout, I cannot see the wisdom in handing over total control of the "public welfare" to them.

While Medicare is currently successful, Medicaid has been a black hole. Handing supervision of my healthcare to CMS — the anonymous bureaucracy with absolute authority and more regard for rules than people — is madness.

The Democrats' "health care reform" is a sick bill. That's why there are angry citizens speaking out. Begin again with an open and honest discussion of the failings of both private sector and public sector healthcare. The Democrats' owe that to all Americans. After all, they control Congress and the White House.

Ed VanVoorhees,
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322 Comments on this post:

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 11:19

The saddest part about this act was that it was never even needed. We, America, like to believe it was our bombs that ended the war. Meaning, we were the only ones fighting the Japanese. Not true.

Russia, in fact, defeated the Japanese when they took Manchuria which was Japan's war hub - pooling nearly all of their war supplies. Their homeland war too barren to fuel the war on it's own(They couldn't even feed their own people). America didn't like the thought of Communist Russia taking all of the glory for defeating their own enemy... It'll be a good history lesson for anyone who wishes to look up the timeline. (If you do, check out the timeline of meetings by the Japanese Supreme Council corresponding to the bombings, particularly the lack of them. However, correlate them to Russia's attack on Manchuria and you get something interesting...)

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 11:22

Slack, atheism has nothing to do with it. Human decency, compassion, sympathy and altruism can and do exist in many if not all cultures. Religions often rely on fear of post mortem justice, to keep people in line. For some folks, that's enough to keep them civil.

I believe in the basic goodness of mankind, not in his inherint evilness or wickedness. Keeping the Golden Rule makes logical sense in a civil society and between societies. Common sense actually exists and it has tremendous value, whether there is a Supreme Being or not.

Am I an atheist? If waterboarded, I might say, "yes". Otherwise, I claim to be a Universalist Unitarian. But still;, those nuns had their effect...I'll take Extreme Unction, if offerred at the end - just to hedge my bets. Ya never know.

By: slacker on 8/6/09 at 11:24

Loner, Grant & Shermans tactics were to make things so bad the south would quit.
Grant was a good man, but he understood he had to be ruthless to stop the madness.
There shouldn't be anymore wars of course, but there will be, because humans are involved.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 11:25

Arguments like that the bombings were necessary to end the war have later been shown to be bogus. According to surveys made amongst Japanese military, royalty and civilians, Japan would've surrendered in December 1945 at the latest. High ranking US military personnel like Eisenhover, Nimitz and MacArthur have also judged the bombings as unnecessary. Japan was well underway to capitulation with the naval blockade and the Soviet invasion of Manchuria.

And people demonizing the Japanese for their atrocities on civilians and enemy combatants should familiarise themselves with the mutilations of dead Japanese soldiers by American troops.

By: house_of_pain on 8/6/09 at 11:25

I was boogieboarded once, and confessed to having sand in my shorts.

By: slacker on 8/6/09 at 11:28

nazi, would I be out of line if I said Japan shouldn't have bombed Pearl harbor?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 11:29

Japan should not have bombed Pearl Harbor. Does that justify Hiroshima? No.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 11:31

Lawnmower driver on beer run charged with DUI; tried to pass cars on his Cub Cadet

http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/v-print/story/870766.html

house, i warned you that you were gonna get caught.

By: house_of_pain on 8/6/09 at 11:32

Couldn't help it. George Jones is my hero.

By: slacker on 8/6/09 at 11:33

Ok, you got it out of me. We dropped the bombs to see the mushroom cloud. I'm sorry, and will not go to the downtown fireworks anymore.

By: brrrrk on 8/6/09 at 11:33

Loner said,

"Slack, atheism has nothing to do with it. Human decency, compassion, sympathy and altruism can and do exist in many if not all cultures."

You know it's funny. It seems that Christians believe that the ethic of reciprocity, or the golden rule (which defines basic moral behavior), starts with them. The fact is it existed long before Jesus was a glimmer in God's eye. :-)

From ancient Egypt...
"Now this is the command: Do to the doer to cause that he do"
"That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another"

From ancient Greece
"Do not to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." – Pittacus
"Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." – Thales
"What you wish your neighbors to be to you, such be also to them." – Sextus the Pythagorean
"Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others." – Isocrates
"What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others." – Epictetus
"It is impossible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and well and justly (agreeing 'neither to harm nor be harmed'), and it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living a pleasant life." – Epicurus

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 11:34

By: slacker on 8/6/09 at 12:33
Ok, you got it out of me. We dropped the bombs to see the mushroom cloud. I'm sorry, and will not go to the downtown fireworks anymore.

yeah, no more DUI on your lawnmower either, slacker!

By: house_of_pain on 8/6/09 at 11:35

brrrrk, would you mind sending a copy of that to my neighbors?

By: slacker on 8/6/09 at 11:36

brrrrk, Do what you do do well son.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 11:39

I find it fascinating how many people say "it was never even needed" when discussing the dropping of the bomb in WWII.

I think it's always easy to say something like this...until you're a war-weary country looking at, as far as you know, at having to lose thousands more men in invading a small island with thousands of natives willing to die for their emperor.

It's easy to look at something in retrospect to say that it didn't have to occur. But when you're in the hotseat like Truman was, you have to consider how the people would have felt if you had gambled that and lost thousands when you had the means to end the war quickly.

By: house_of_pain on 8/6/09 at 11:39

slacker, standeth not on Superman's cape, pisseth not into the wind.

By: slacker on 8/6/09 at 11:43

nazi, I'm also giving the southwest back to Mexico, the Indians can have Gatlinburg back. Everybody please send me your 20 dollar bills with Andrew Jackson on them, I will burn them all. I also apologize for slavery, and will release my last two tomorrow after they cook breakfast.

By: CAH on 8/6/09 at 11:44

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 12:07
"We ripped off Texas and most of the Southwest from Mexico we ripped Spain for Hawaii and the Phillipines. Might makes right?"

Loner - You don't know your history regarding Texas. "We", I'm guessing you mean the United States government, didn't rip off (Steal) Texas from Mexico. Independent residents of the area decided that they could rule themselves better, and without persecution, than what they were getting from the government of Mexico. They then decided to remove themselves from Mexican authority.

Texas then became an independent republic. Several years later, the citizens of the Republic of Texas petitioned the U.S. Congress to be annexed and become a state.

You also don't know the history of Hawaii. Kinda hard to steal something from someone who didn't have it in the first place. From Wiki:

"Hawaii is one of four U.S. states that were independent prior to becoming part of the United States, along with the Vermont Republic (1791), the Republic of Texas (1845), and the California Republic (1846), and one of two (Texas was the other) with formal diplomatic recognition internationally. The Kingdom of Hawaii existed from 1810 until 1893 when the monarchy was overthrown by resident American (and some European) businessmen. It was an independent republic from 1894 until 1898, when it was annexed by the United States, becoming a territory in 1900, and a state in 1959."

If any European country could have laid claim, it would have been the British, since James Cook 'discovered' it. But no such claim was made.

Now, as for the Philippines. Spain claimed the Philippines, but there as a movement within the population to remove that authority. Again from Wiki:

"The Spanish-American War began in Cuba in 1898, and reached the Philippines after the United States fought Spain in the Battle of Manila Bay. Aguinaldo, now unofficially allied with the United States, returned from exile and declared Philippine independence from Spain in Kawit, Cavite on June 12, 1898, and established the República Filipina or the Philippine Republic in Malolos, Bulacan the following year. Meanwhile, the islands were ceded, together with Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Guam, to the United States for $20 million during the Treaty of Paris.

As a result of the Jones Law and the subsequent Tydings-McDuffie Act the Philippines became a Commonwealth. Efforts for sovereignty and full democracy were interrupted by the Japanese invasion at the start of WWII, and we all know how that turned out.

So Loner, try to know your history before making a statement as fact.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 11:49

chief, what about the high ranking military personnel who knew it wasn't necessary?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 11:54

Well according to the CNN poll grading Obama's 2nd 100 days in office, Tennesseans don't think too much of him!

By: CAH on 8/6/09 at 11:56

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 12:49
chief, what about the high ranking military personnel who knew it wasn't necessary?

Question Blanket - did they know it at the time or did they say it later, in retrospect, in memoirs?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 12:01

they knew it at the time. read the timeline of Manchuria. i don't have time to spoon feed you.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 12:10

Blanket,

"chief, what about the high ranking military personnel who knew it wasn't necessary??

Did they know it wasn't necessary? Recall, we were in a time of war and intelligence reports at best were relatively unreliable. Would you risk thousands of American lives to avoid dropping a bomb which could end the war in one fell swoop?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 12:13

Actually, according to the CNN poll grading Obama's second 100 days, it doesn't look like the nation as a whole is too thrilled with Obama.

His first 100 days garnered him a B grade. Right now he's hovering between a C and C-, for the nation as a whole.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 12:16

Russia, in fact, defeated the Japanese when they took Manchuria which was Japan's war hub - pooling nearly all of their war supplies. Their homeland war too barren to fuel the war on it's own(They couldn't even feed their own people). America didn't like the thought of Communist Russia taking all of the glory for defeating their own enemy... It'll be a good history lesson for anyone who wishes to look up the timeline. (If you do, check out the timeline of meetings by the Japanese Supreme Council corresponding to the bombings, particularly the lack of them. However, correlate them to Russia's attack on Manchuria and you get something interesting...)

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 12:16

Whoah! CAH got me on the Hawaii thing Mea culpa.

On the Hawaii, Texas and California rip offs, CAH is making a distinction without a difference. In all three cases, It was the white guys, the Anglos, the early Americans who infiltrated the place, ripped it off and then later joined the American union, it was not not America per se doing the original dirty work. Regardless of the technicalities, my synopsis of American manifest destiny is quite accurate.

Thank you, CAH for reminding us about Cuba, Puerto Rico and Guam - again more "ceding" at gunpoint. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was, in effect, another gunpoint giveaway and firesale.

Thank you for acknowledging the role of Americans in the original sedition and undermining that led to the wars of conquest and territorial acquisition. I believe that your post only affirms and confirms my central point, CAH.

By: CAH on 8/6/09 at 12:22

Not asking to be spoon fed. Just asked a simple question that could have been answered, civilly in a few words. Even one or two.

Funny thing about that timeline. Particularly that period from 1910 to 1945. Russia didn't play that big a part in Manchuria during WWII in the Pacific. http://timelines.ws/countries/MANCHURIA.HTML

Granted, the Soviet Union did, declare war on Japan and invade Manchuria on August 8, 1945, but that was a two days after we had dropped the bomb on Hiroshima on August 6th. The bomb on Nagasaki on the 9th may have been a signal to the Russians to back off. In any case, they did and Manchuria reverted to China.

By: CAH on 8/6/09 at 12:26

Boy! When Loner does a 'mea culpa', it reminds me of Charles Durning singing "Ooooh, I Love the Sidestep" in that movie "Best Little Whorehouse In Texas."

By: gdiafante on 8/6/09 at 12:32

Looks like someone's as giddy as a little school girl that certain people don't like the President. Got a few words for that Blanket?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 12:34

CAH, check out this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Soviet-Strategic-Offensive-Manchuria-1945/dp/0714652792

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 12:36

CAH,

LOL! Now THAT was funny! I LOVED that!!!

Charles Durning in The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mNDHTfdn1A

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 12:38

childish:

adjective

1 : of, relating to, or befitting a child or childhood
2 a : marked by or suggestive of immaturity and lack of poise b : lacking complexity : simple c : deteriorated with age especially in mind : senile

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 12:40

solemn:

adjective

1. Deeply earnest, serious, and sober.
3. Gloomy; somber.

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 12:42

BN, I went to your link. The Hiroshima pictures speak for themselves. Imagine, a two-mile wide fireball @ 7,000 degrees F. Some victims were vaporized others had to undergo excruciating, lingering agony before dying.

According to reliable sources, a third bomb was ready to go and by the end of August, 1945 seven more were produced. I think Truman would have Ok'd dropping them all on the Japanese...he never expressed any remorse for his hasty decision to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I think that American public opinion at the time would have underwritten and throughly approved of his actions.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 12:43

vex (vks)
tr.v. vexed, vex·ing, vex·es
1. To annoy, as with petty importunities; bother. See Synonyms at annoy.
2. To cause perplexity in; puzzle.
3. To bring distress or suffering to; plague or afflict.
4. To debate or discuss (a question, for example) at length.
5. To toss about or shake up.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 12:45

Loner, it is sobering, isn't it? all those lives lost.....the amount of devastation.....

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 12:47

Loner,

You are most likely correct that American public option would have approved of his actions. But then we had been fighting this war for approximately 4 years and at a large loss of lives. I suspect most Americans at that time would rather that Truman obliterate the entire of Japan than to risk further American lives.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 12:48

waspish

adjective

1. Of, relating to, or suggestive of a wasp.
2. Easily irritated or annoyed; irascible.
3. Indicative of irritation, annoyance, or spite

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 12:49

Blanket,

One could actually make the same statement for the entire World War actually.

By: MamaG on 8/6/09 at 12:51

I've been to Nagasaki, Hiroshima too!
The things I did to them baby, I can do to you!
'Cause I'm a Fujiyama Mama and I'm just about to blow my top!
Fujiyama-yama, Fujiyama!
And when I start you up, there aint nobody gonna make me stop!
I drank a quart of sake, smoked on a pipe!
I chased it with tobbacy and then shoot out the lights!

(Wanda Jackson's "Fujiyama Mama.")

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 1:02

Never saw the movie, CAH.

Hey, you got me on that one detail, but your own source confirmed my allegation. Gloat if you must, but don't throw your shoulder out of kilter by overly patting yourself on the back.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 1:02

In April 1945 the USSR indicated it would not renew the non-aggression treaty signed with Japan in April 1941 when it expired in April 1946. The Japanese concluded, correctly, that the USSR would attack as soon as it had finished with Germany. At Yalta, Stalin promised he would attack three months after victory in Europe. That came for the USSR on 9 May 1945 and Stalin was true to his word.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 1:04

Three months after defeating the Germans in Europe, the Red Army was at its most powerful. In firepower, mobility, communications, support, and even battle experience (their veteran troops mostly having died in the Pacific campaign) the Japanese were no match for the three Soviet Fronts (army groups) gathered round Manchuria

By: MamaG on 8/6/09 at 1:09

sidneyames-I just read the end of yesterday's posts and I wanted to give you MY 2 cents worth. I'm going to phrase it in language you might understand. (If you don't understand it, ask a child.)
"What a maroon!"

And BTW, if you're really 62, why on earth are you taking HRT at that age?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/6/09 at 1:09

Wow...great story of a liberals journey to growing up!

How I became so conservative so fast

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/how_i_became_so_conservative_s.html

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 1:11

Mama, how about "mental midget"?

By: MamaG on 8/6/09 at 1:11

blanket, don't forget the Tomato Art Fest is this weekend at 5-Points! Should be lots of fun and some good food and beverages and of course, tomato art!
(Bloody Mary Contest!)

I've never been to 3 Crow but I've been wanting to try it. Did you like it?

By: Loner on 8/6/09 at 1:12

The Russians lost twenty million people in the Second World War. The nazi's ravaged the place, while the US and its allies stockpiled men and machinery in England. Stalin got help from his allies - the US and Britain - in the form of a Western Front, only after the depleted nazi's were on the run and retreating from the Red Army. Stalin was no saint, but neither were Churchill and FDR. Backstabbing and perfidy ruled the day.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 1:15

MamaG, 3 Crow is good. i've been there several times over the past few years. the owner is a really cool guy. he's a biker from Chicago. he donated a gift certificate for a silent auction that was being held for a dog rescue that i used to work with. they have a great selection of beer and the prices are good, especially at happy hour. the place has a good vibe, too. check it out sometime!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/6/09 at 1:16

btw, he named it 3 Crow Bar because he went through 3 crow bars tearing down the old place before he built the bar - lol!