Letters to the Editor

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 12:00am

Clinton should be commended

It seems that the hatred and vitriol exhibited by the fringe right wing nuts when Bill Clinton’s name is even mentioned has resurfaced and probably will linger until they all die out.

It's a shame that the ignorant and uncalled for remarks hurled at former president Clinton by these imbeciles because of his act of mercy in going to North Korea on a mission as a private American citizen to try to get two young ladies released from prison and a 12-year sentence of hard labor and was successful.

For this deed he should be held in the highest esteem by all Americans and not vilified for his actions as the ultra right wing are determined to do.

I along with the most Americans appreciate from the bottom of our hearts that Clinton was able to speak for these young women with a voice of reason which resulted in their release instead of threatening with a fake cowboy bravado that they have been used to for the past eight years.

This in itself showed that Americans as a whole are not a bunch of brash bullies. Rush, go to rehab please, and take Mr. Bush with you.

C.W. Clouse, 37209

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249 Comments on this post:

By: dargent7 on 8/12/09 at 4:32

Uh-oh. I agree with the LTE. Clinton's presidency left a lasting impression around the world: a smart man with diplomatically sound judgement.
Too bad here at home the scum bags that went after him were all having either trysts, gay encounters, extramarital affairs of their own, concurrently. Blowing (oops) $60 million to humiliate a sitting President over a consentual, hidden affair. Oh, I know, he lied about it. SO WHAT! Bad boy. He was impeached and dis-barred. The GOP still wants his head on their mantle. Did he lie to the American people and concoct by colusion with his entire cabinent the b.s. about Iraq and start an endless war(s) like GW Bush? All Presidents are politicians and therefore "lie". But, a war is one line that should never be crossed. And just what useful purpose can America use for the likes of GW Bush or a Dick Cheney? Bill & Al looked good at the photo ops at the conclusion of their mission. God Bless Them. Bush & Cheney will never be seen again except at WalMart grand openings.

By: Kosh III on 8/12/09 at 6:02

Bush and Cheney should be seen again: in court awaiting sentencing.

Funny. Bush lied like a dog but gets a pass from the Rushcovites. "We found the weapons of mass destruction" May 29 2003 Bush

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/09 at 6:33

Good morning.

Good letter.

Now there will be an onslaught of right wing's manufactured tells of history coming soon to a monitor near you.

By: sidneyames on 8/12/09 at 6:38

Well Clouse, it's a shame that some of your cronies make fun of Sara Palin's downes syndrome baby, but they do. So in the big scheme of shameful remarks, I would say that Clinton is a big boy (and I use the term boy because of his past childish behavior) and he can take care of himself. Why don't you defend small helpless children instead of an over sexed, over ego inflated ex-President? And D7, your sole-mate said:"a smart man with diplomatically sound judgement.". Ha, ha, ha. It took a smart man with sound judgement to nail Monica Lewd-winssky. ha, ha, ha. He was so smart that he got caught. He had such good judgement that he performed his hateful, lewd, inappropriate act in the white house oval office. How utterly mature, and diplomatic. How solid a man! Oh my gosh. I'm about to explode with joy. By the way, Clouse and D7, your insults don't even phase. They only boost my confidence in responding to you both and they shore up my beliefe that I can get on this site and someone will read it. Thanks for making my day.

By: dargent7 on 8/12/09 at 6:40

Kosh III: You forgot the "mother of all lies"..."MISSION ACCOMPLISHED". When was that? 2005?

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 6:42

Ahem...MOP...please...

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/09 at 6:47

sid the freak says, "cronies make fun of Sara Palin's downes syndrome baby, but they do." When has anyone said anything about the baby. The mother yes and she deserves the laughter.

sid your are one sick old beach ball.

By: dargent7 on 8/12/09 at 6:47

SidVicious: You are a pathological nut-case. Yes, I guess to you loons, having a sex act in the Oval Office is tantamount to hell on earth.
You pin heads cannot wrap your minds around the concocted, illconcieved, ill strategized, 100% bogus war that cabal of corruption Bush & Co. foisted on the American people, in that same Oval Office. Serve-Pro couldn't remove all the Satanic goings on from the prior administration.
You and I used to agree. Then we agreed to disagree. Maybe it's the heat of summer, but I cannot make heads or tails from whatever you post-heap. All I know is that your pissed off always about something or someone.

By: sidneyames on 8/12/09 at 7:02

Thanks for sharing guys; you're both so, so, so, well, enlightened and ho-listic! And the name calling is so becoming, especially since you don't know me! I sincerely appreciate you both stooping to such low levels in order to elevate your own selves. Such a joy. Makes my day! Gotta go to work now. Be sure to come back with some sleeeeezy comments so when I get back home tonight, I can hoot and howl with laughter! By the way, I hope you both get the full benefit of O'bama's health care -- just as soon as it passes. ha, ha, ha.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 7:07

Frankly, I think Clinton did a good thing. Took some guts to go in to N. Korea like that...could have been a trap. But given that he could be a sex addict, if one of the women were my daughter or wife, I would meet them at the closest airport available to fly home with them.

Given his background, I don't think that is unreasonable. I still think he did a good thing however.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/09 at 7:07

You never share your thoughts with us sid. You just post lies.

WHERE HAS ANYONE MADE FUN OF THE THE PALIN BABY?

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 7:09

Okay. Sarah Palin's baby crawls into a bar...

By: Citizen on 8/12/09 at 7:16

re: Letter: Now let me see if I understand the writer's message.

"For this deed he should be held in the highest esteem by all Americans and not vilified for his actions as the ultra right wing are determined to do."

Kim Jung Il had Obama by the short hairs, told him to bend over and spread em. And, if he did, he could get the women back if he agreed to send over someone with enough stature that it would appear that Kim had acceptance in the eyes of the U.S.A. I do appreciate that Pres. Clinton made the trip, but you can't seriously believe he did it as a "private American citizen"! Give me a break! He did it because Kim demanded it and Clinton knew he'd get good pub.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 7:23

Seems to me Specter needs to look at the polls. It appears to me the protesters ARE representative of America!

Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_protests

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 7:36

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/09 at 7:47
sid your are one sick old beach ball.

ah, Nemo - you made me laugh! how are you this morning?

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/09 at 7:43

I doing great today Blanket, but I am going to say seven dreaded words in a bit. I have got to go to work. lol

By: Kosh III on 8/12/09 at 7:44

sydneyames

YOUR "cronies" have no problem exploiting the daughters of the President

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081003126.html?nav%3Dhcmodule

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 7:46

If by "representative of America" you mean an inability to be civil, tendancy to shout down others and unwillingness to understand anything but the party line, then yes, I would agree.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/09 at 7:48

sid like most of the fringe right-wingers has a very distorted view of reallity. She sees a mouse and then it becomes a dragons.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 7:48

Of course, the people are only doing what they see on the boob tube dailly.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 8:00

Gdia,

"If by "representative of America" you mean an inability to be civil, tendancy to shout down others and unwillingness to understand anything but the party line, then yes, I would agree."

No...I mean those who want to talk to their representatives, ask hard questions, and expect answers from the representatives who work for them. If you'll notice, the ones getting extremely agitated are those who have tried to contact their representatives and are getting the run-around.

They're tired of asking to speak to their representative only to hear that they are not in, and to leave a message...which by the representatives actions and votes, appears to be totally ignored. So of course the people are now trying to contact their representatvies in meetings for other subjects and of course they are irritated...it's their only recourse left to talk to their representatives.

As for the shouting down - that has been in town hall meetings for a long time now. Concerning civility, I don't believe I've seen the protester assault anyone who disagrees with them - unfortunately those who are on the pro side of things cannot say the same. As for unwillingness to understand anything but the party line, I suspect you can find a few of those in the crowd too...but most are simply people who do not trust the government to handle healthcare appropriately.

By: Loner on 8/12/09 at 8:04

Good morning, Nashville!

Great letter, Dooley. Yes, Bill Clinton deserves our gratitude and respect. I can't imagine the timid Bush boys, pop and/or junior, sticking their necks out for anyone but themselves.

It is the former Democratic Presidents, Carter and Clinton, who have played the roles of eminence grise and senior senior statesman with consistency and valor.

I don't recall any post-presidential humanitarian work being performed by any former Republican presidents, in my lifetime. Maybe CAH can prove me to be wrong on that point....I'm prepared for his personal attacks, let's go...bring it on!

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 8:16

Where people have made fun of Trig Palin:

http://www.webcitation.org/5hlwJ1gbs

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/11/wonkette_trig_p.html

http://wonkette.com/409505/sarah-palin-will-soon-condemn-bomb-entire-internet

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3160064&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=3

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 8:17

Sorry Chief, I know you're an apologist for opposition to anything Obama or Democrats press, but if people were truly concerned over valid issues, they would attempt to find the truth, not desire to cause disruption.

I don't care what side you're on, if the purpose is to disrupt rational discussion, you're wrong.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 8:27

Loner,

You are correct...I don't recall any of the former Republican Presidents having done anything of publicly...but then, if someone does something publicly, it sort of loses something in the charitable meaning of the word. I also refuse to assume that just becasue we don't know about it, those ex-Presidents did nothing of a charitable nature. Just because someone doesn't advertise what they are doing doesn't mean they are doing nothing.

Eminence grise? Heh. Ok. Whatever you say...but I don't see them exactly in the capacity powerful advisors or decision-makers. The DO have some influence and I will grant them that.

By: Loner on 8/12/09 at 8:28

Sarcastic Sid argues that hating Bill Clinton balances out the Trig Palin bashing, like it is some kind of wash. Sid's twisted logic is a constant source of entertaiment, if nothing else. Bless her hate-filled heart!

By: Funditto on 8/12/09 at 8:30

new By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 8:09

Okay. Sarah Palin's baby crawls into a bar...'

OMG! LOL!

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 8:32

Is there a way, in this age of the 24 news cycle and internet, that an ex-President could really do something under the radar? I don't think so. And yes, if they did you bet they would advertise it, despite any rhetoric to the contrary, Presidents care about their legacy.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/09 at 8:32

cheif

The question was for sid. I am talking people on this board and I do not recall any of my so call cronies ever making fun of the baby.

Now if your are going to sick your nose in other peoples business then at less make sure you know what your are talking about.

Thank you and go back to your fish bowel.

By: Kosh III on 8/12/09 at 8:34

chief

Never seen any of those websites before. What's your point?

It's another matter to criticize her adult fornicating daughter with the baby born on the wrong side of the blanket. Abstinence really works doesn't it?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 8:35

Gdia,

"if people were truly concerned over valid issues, they would attempt to find the truth, not desire to cause disruption."

And if the people's representatives were truly concerned with learning what their constituents wanted, they would actually talk and listen to what they had to say rather than blow them off and refuse to talk to them...or worse, try to fill the town hall meetings with only those who agree with them.

But so be it...the blow back will be a bear when 2010 comes around. I truly expect the Democrats to lose and lose BIG time when the Congressional elections come around.

I'm not defending the disruptors...and there are plenty of those on both sides. But when someone tries to contact their Congressperson and are blown off, I EXPECT them to be angry.

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 8:35

Nemo, can you give us a verbal cartoon featuring Bill Clinton, Kim Jong Il, and Trig Palin?

By: Funditto on 8/12/09 at 8:36

The site making fun of the baby were pretty sickening. But truthfully, Palin doesn't make me (a liberal, middle-aged woman) feel guilty and inadequate like her fans like to think. She makes me nervous because she has shamelessly used those kids to boost her image.
I would never expose my disabled son to the public - even to raise money or awareness of his disorder - unless he was old enough to understand and consent. Children are not property.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 8:37

Gdia,

"Is there a way, in this age of the 24 news cycle and internet, that an ex-President could really do something under the radar? I don't think so. And yes, if they did you bet they would advertise it, despite any rhetoric to the contrary, Presidents care about their legacy."

Sure there is. They can give money or their time to whatever and can request no news cameras.

And some don't do it for their legacy. Some actually believe their legacy is in what they did while in office.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 8:38

Kosh

"It's another matter to criticize her adult fornicating daughter with the baby born on the wrong side of the blanket. Abstinence really works doesn't it?"

It's working in my household...that's enough for me, thanks.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 8:40

Nemo,

"I am talking people on this board and I do not recall any of my so call cronies ever making fun of the baby. "

My apologies...I thought you meant cronies in a general sort of way.

"Thank you and go back to your fish bowel."

Sorry fish guts don't do it for me. Ah, you meant BOWL. Sorry, still trying to translate your meaning.

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 8:43

I think Camille Paglia's column on Health care reform was interesting.
Slow things down, and make sure each phase of reform is explained in detail.

By: dargent7 on 8/12/09 at 8:43

Nobody on this board ever made fun of Palin's Down Syndrome kid. Personally, if my menopausal wife at 43 got pregnant, and at 11 weeks we were told "it" had Down Syndrome, and we already had 4 kids,...I'd abort. That's me. It's a legal option in America. Now, you can soul search, reflect, pray to Jesus, but sometimes reality comes into focus and I personally, would not want a Down kid at 44.
Just like the impeachment of President Clinton...I could care less about his affair w/ Lewinsky. It's between Hillary, Chelse, Bill, and Monica. The GOP paraded the whole stinkin' thing in front of the entire world. Made the US President cry on TV. Repent w/ Jesse Jackson. Kiss so many asses. All the while, these GOP sob's are diddling their own pecadillos.
Then GW Bush & Co. concoct a 100% b.s. war and all the TEA baggers were either asleep or brain dead, or both.
And Sid, we DO know who you are by the content of your post-heaps.

By: Loner on 8/12/09 at 8:44

See what you like, Chief, but others have used the term to describe these two as well. For example, John Delury, associate director of Asia Society’s Center on U.S.-China Relations and director of the North Korea Inside Out Task Force used that term to describe Bill Clinton in his recent article on this subject which appeared in the Far Eastern Economic Review - a rather prestigious publication. Here's the link:

http://www.feer.com/international-relations/20098/august53/Clintons-Mission-to-Pyongyang

Now that Obama is in power, these two former presidents will be tapped for advice and for special assignments, one can bet on that.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/09 at 8:48

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 9:35
Nemo, can you give us a verbal cartoon featuring Bill Clinton, Kim Jong Il, and Trig Palin?
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Not Trig, but Clinton Kim Jong ll and Palin are fair game. I will think about it.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 8:52

slacker,

"I think Camille Paglia's column on Health care reform was interesting.
Slow things down, and make sure each phase of reform is explained in detail."

Well, that in a nutshell is the issue. This Administration and the Congress don't WANT to slow down. And frankly there are times it appears to me that they don't want to look at, much less explain, the details of Healthcare.

It appears, at least to me, that they simply want everyone to shut up, "get out of the way", and let them pass whatever they want because "they know what's good for us".

IMO, that's another part of the reason why people are so angry with this...they feel like Congress is going to ram this down our throats whether we want it or not...and reactions are what we are seeing now.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 8:54

Loner,

"See what you like, Chief, but others have used the term to describe these two as well."

And they are welcome to use the term too...it's just not one I would use.

"Now that Obama is in power, these two former presidents will be tapped for advice and for special assignments, one can bet on that."

True...Obama can tap anyone he likes for advice...and will do so, I would assume.

By: pandabear on 8/12/09 at 8:56

"By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 8:09

Okay. Sarah Palin's baby crawls into a bar..."

...and ....?

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 8:56

Chief, giving donations to humanitarian causes is a little different than full fledged diplomatic/humanitarian missions, don't ya think? Nevermind, I would say night and you'd say day. Yawn.

By: Captain Nemo on 8/12/09 at 8:59

.By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 9:40 ...................Sorry fish guts don't do it for me. Ah, you meant BOWL. Sorry, still trying to translate your meaning.
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I only meation fish Bowl. I did not say anything about fish guts.

Now why would you bring up fish guts? Is fish guts another one of your fetishes that you are hiding?

By: Kosh III on 8/12/09 at 9:00

'It appears, at least to me, that they simply want everyone to shut up, "get out of the way", and let them pass whatever they want because "they know what's good for us"

Wasn't that the tactic used by Bush for the Patriot Act and the first stimulus package shoved thru by Paulson?

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 9:01

Nemo, you typed "bowel" instead of "bowl"...

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 9:01

Kosh, don't forget dissent on Iraq...

By: Loner on 8/12/09 at 9:01

I read that the Alaska Legislature has overturned the book-banning bimbo's decision to turn down millions in federal stimulus money. It was all a publicity stunt.

Posing as a state populated by rugged individualists, Alaska is always at or near the top of the list as a per-capita recipient of US federal aid to the states.

For 2009, Wyoming narrowly edged out Palin's state for the top federal suck-off distinction. (Source: US Census Office) Here's the link:

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank22.html

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 9:09

Nemo,

"I only meation fish Bowl. I did not say anything about fish guts. "

I BELIEVE you meant to say mentioned - not meation (I have NO idea what meation is)...and you did say fish BOWEL and I assumed you meant to say fish bowl.

Please fina a dictionary...translating your pig latin (or whatever it is) is difficult.