Letters to the Editor

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 12:00am

Clinton should be commended

It seems that the hatred and vitriol exhibited by the fringe right wing nuts when Bill Clinton’s name is even mentioned has resurfaced and probably will linger until they all die out.

It's a shame that the ignorant and uncalled for remarks hurled at former president Clinton by these imbeciles because of his act of mercy in going to North Korea on a mission as a private American citizen to try to get two young ladies released from prison and a 12-year sentence of hard labor and was successful.

For this deed he should be held in the highest esteem by all Americans and not vilified for his actions as the ultra right wing are determined to do.

I along with the most Americans appreciate from the bottom of our hearts that Clinton was able to speak for these young women with a voice of reason which resulted in their release instead of threatening with a fake cowboy bravado that they have been used to for the past eight years.

This in itself showed that Americans as a whole are not a bunch of brash bullies. Rush, go to rehab please, and take Mr. Bush with you.

C.W. Clouse, 37209

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249 Comments on this post:

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 10:24

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:09
Brrrrk,

I have a responsibility to treat everyone as decently as possible...Christianly assumes that only Christians treat people well, which isn't a factual statement. However, yes, I should treat my fellow human being as decently as possible.

and how well do you think you do that?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 10:24

brrrrk,

The same way I can reconcile disliking food stamps versus charity. You see, charity begins in the heart and is FREELY given. To force someone to give up something to aid someone else is NOT charity.

Further in 2 Thessalonians 3:10, it says "if any would not work, neither should he eat".

Charity should be given to those who need it. Healthcare is a restructuring to FORCE everyone to pay for everyone else's healthcare. I disagree with that.

Charity is freely given alms. When the government takes taxes, it is an obligation taken from the taxpayers to support the government, not charity.

BTW, I am also a strong advocate of teaching a man to fish as well.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 10:26

Blanket,

As well as any other, I would suppose. Not as well as some and better than others.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 10:26

if there were enough "freely given alms" the government wouldn't have to worry about it. maybe the "christians" are falling down on their job.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 10:27

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:26
Blanket,

As well as any other, I would suppose

Really...................

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 10:27

Loner,

In this we agree wholeheartedly! I hope you're wrong on all this too!

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 10:29

Blanket,

"if there were enough "freely given alms" the government wouldn't have to worry about it. maybe the "christians" are falling down on their job."

Perhaps...or perhaps since the government is taking so much to do the job and is accepting the responsibility to do so, Christians believe their charity is no longer needed.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 10:30

Blanket

"Really..................."

Yes.

By: BenDover on 8/12/09 at 10:31

I'll tell you what, Blanket... if government's real goal is altruistic and it wants to care for the poor then they could remove themselves as the middle man by giving an unlimited 100% deduction on charitable contributions.

For some reason they don't do that now.

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 10:31

Loner, it seems to me that Ron Emanuel, would have a lot of influence on Obama's policy regarding Israel. I also hope you are wrong, it would tear this country apart.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 10:36

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:29
Perhaps...or perhaps since the government is taking so much to do the job and is accepting the responsibility to do so, Christians believe their charity is no longer needed

that's laughable on so many levels.

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 10:36

I knew you had it in you, Blanket.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 10:37

Be excellent to each other...and party on dudes!

- Theodore "Ted" Logan and Bill S. Preston Esq.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 10:39

Blanket,

Really...

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 10:40

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 11:36
I knew you had it in you, Blanket.

but of course. just for you, house. LOL!

By: Loner on 8/12/09 at 10:40

Remember how the Republican posters used to call us liberals "sore losers" after the stolen 2000 election? These guys are the sorriest losers around. They just won't give President Obama a break.

It's been a constant cacaphony of howling and teeth gnashing on the conservative side of the divide ever since last November. These extremely sore losers have the chutzpah to blame Obama for the financial meltdown that began on September 15, 2008 - several weeks before Obama won the election and months before he was sworn in.

The 24/7 hate speech directed at President Obama is unprecented in its scope and ferocity...on the internet ether, over the airwaves, through the cable and now live, at the Town Hall Meetings. The Republicans are not just the Party of Nay, they are the Party of Hate.

If and when Obama gets blown away, we can expect to see rivers of alligator tears flowing down the fat cheeks of Rush Limbaugh and his followers. It's quite disgusting.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 10:43

I'll agree with you there Loner...and Ben has selective memory...because when the Dow plunged 500 points, McCain was leading in the polls...Obama being elected was hardly a given.

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 10:45

slackerdamus, do you have the winning numbers for tonight's Powerball?

By: brrrrk on 8/12/09 at 10:51

Loner said,

"Remember how the Republican posters used to call us liberals 'sore losers' after the stolen 2000 election? These guys are the sorriest losers around."

I find it interesting that the right, who characterized the left as a group claiming to be victims, has now become the biggest whiniest victims of all. Poor GOP, it's terrible that the media is catching them in all their BS.

By: MamaG on 8/12/09 at 10:52

Yeah, slackerdamus, share the wealth, buddy!

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 10:56

Loner on 8/12/09 at 11:40

Remember what was said about glass houses? Frankly Obama isn't getting nearly the garbage Bush did. Recall all the things he was compared to, what he was called...heck if people said the same things about Obama they would be chastised from here to Kalamazoo! Not to mention they would be called racist too (ie Bush compared to a chimpanzee!)

"The 24/7 hate speech directed at President Obama is unprecented in its scope and ferocity...on the internet ether, over the airwaves, through the cable and now live, at the Town Hall Meetings."

Unprecedented?! Oh please...I would suspect the amount of hate speech directed at President Obama's predecessor FAR outweighs what President Obama is getting now...no question. And no one with any common sense wants him "blown away"...any more than anyone with common sense wanted President Bush assassinated!

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 10:57

Brrrk, what I find interesting is that the party of personal responsibility seems to blame everyone but themselves. Hell, the same people that attributed prosperity during Clinton's administration to Reagan, because economic policies take time, now think Obama is to blame for everything, and he's not been in office six months!!!

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 10:59

brrrrk

"I find it interesting that the right, who characterized the left as a group claiming to be victims, has now become the biggest whiniest victims of all. Poor GOP, it's terrible that the media is catching them in all their BS."

Griping about the other party in power is par for the course.

However, I will admit the volume has increased lately.

But then, when you cannot seem to contact your representative to voice your opinons and things are voted on without even those who are voting on it reviewing it (much less those who will be financing said laws and regulations) it does cause one to lose one's temper.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:01

Gdia,

"Brrrk, what I find interesting is that the party of personal responsibility seems to blame everyone but themselves. Hell, the same people that attributed prosperity during Clinton's administration to Reagan, because economic policies take time, now think Obama is to blame for everything, and he's not been in office six months!!!"

Ah no, I blame the Bush Administration for opening this Pandora's box with the first stimulus package. I also blame the Congress for deregulating the banking industry in the late 1990s, and the Congress in 2002 - present for ignoring those who tried to tell them this mess was coming.

There's PLENTY of blame to go around.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 11:06

Chief, don't attempt to be bipartisan now. It doesn't become you...and it insults our intelligence.

By: Loner on 8/12/09 at 11:08

Slack, Chief I think that Emanuel and Axelrod, both Zionist-supporting Jews, do have tremendous influence with the President.

That in-house influence, in combination with that of AIPAC, the COPOMAJO, the ADL, the ZOA and the dozens of one-issue, pro-Israel lobbies is extrememly powerful. The combined internal-external pressure to push Obama into outright servitude for the Jewish State must be enormous. Will he resist or cave?

If Obama goes along with the neocon plans for the ME, he will probably be spared.

If he digs in his heels, as JFK did in the Spring of 1963, then his tenure as President will, in all likelihood, be relatively short.

President Kennedy sent David Ben Gurion (Israeli PM at the time) an ultimatum, demanding transparancy in Israel's nuclear programs. Ben Gurion resigned rather than comply. JFK was removed from power, LBJ became a willing and powerful vassle to the Jewish State, giving the green light for Israel's 1967 war for territrial expansion. As a compromised US President, Johnson quickly exonerated the IDF for its murderous attack on the USS Liberty, in 1967.

Yes, LBJ was the biggest scumbag to ever occupy the White House, IMHO.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:08

Gdia,

Ah me, I've said this before Gdia.

I don't like most of the politicians up on the hill right now. Most of them are not conservative at all.

Point is, they ALL messed up...period. No one can refute THAT.

Call it bipartisan all you'd like. I personally just say it's the truth and that's it.

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 11:09

pain, slackerdamus's strict code of ethics, prevents him from releasing any information regarding the numbers game, A winning ticket would take money from our scholarship fund, and slackerdamus has much charity in his heart for the needy scholars. What a guy.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:11

Loner,

All that you say is conceivable. I believe if something DID happen to Obama (GOD forbid!), then Biden would easily bend to Israel's side.

However, I still think Obama will go along with Israel.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:13

Oh Great Slackerdamus,

We humbly beseech thee to provide us with winning lottery numbers so that we may proclaim your wonderful gifts to all!

(Wow...that was actually pretty good!)

By: dargent7 on 8/12/09 at 11:14

So, anyone else notice the absence of Sara Palin on the death of Eunice Shriver?
She championed the "Special Olympics", invented it really.
I guess Palin doesn't want to refer to son Trig as "special olympics", just "special needs". Doesn't want to affirm what Down Syndrome babies are.
Ronald Reagan presented Shriver a medal in 1984 and referred to her causes dealing with the "mentally retarded". Now, you cannot say that phrase.
Where's Palin now?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 11:17

Palin never attended Special Olympics events because they told her she couldn't BYOB.

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 11:19

Is there an event in the Special Olympics that involves shooting animals from a helicopter?

By: Dragon on 8/12/09 at 11:19

It's the Democratic leadership who is calling anyone opposed to Obama Unamerican, Swastika-carrying brownshirts. There is documented instanced of SEIU enforcers at these townhall meeting, but no documentation that some evil Republican groups (think Soros, Acorn, etc) are organizing them.

Bottom line - if you don't agree with Obama and the Democrats, you are evil and should shut up. Their definition of American does not include you.

By: brrrrk on 8/12/09 at 11:21

Well Chief, I appreciate your answers but frankly it seems to me that you're putting the worship of the dollar ahead of your faith and that the charity versus tax argument is an excuse.

as Jefferson said, "Those who want the dispositions to give, easily find reasons why they ought not to give."

And I prefer Jefferson's positions on dealing with the needy..

"It is a duty certainly to give our sparings to those who want; but to see also that they are faithfully distributed and duly apportioned to the respective wants of those receivers."

"The poor who have neither property, friends, nor strength to labor are boarded in the houses of good farmers, to whom a stipulated sum is annually paid. To those who are able to help themselves a little or have friends from whom they derive some succor, inadequate however to their full maintenance, supplementary aids are given which enable them to live comfortably in their own houses or in the houses of their friends."

By: Loner on 8/12/09 at 11:22

If one goes to this link, the RT video can be accessed along with several other articles relative to the recent war-mongering work of the former Bushite and professional zealot, John "Got milk?" Bolton.

http://news.google.com/news/search?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=bolton+israel

Oh yeah, some dirty work is going on at this very moment.....may God preserve Mr. Obama.

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 11:23

Lowner, just got here so am catching up.

Nixon went to China and actually did a better job normalizing relations with that country than he did in office.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 11:30

Nixon did do well at establishing relations with China. I will give him that.

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 11:32

Slacker, I read that column and thought it well said. For those of you who haven't read it, here's the addy

http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/08/12/town_halls/index.html

Only the first 2 pages are worth reading - unless you want a link to a topless Sharon Stone.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:32

brrrrk,

"Well Chief, I appreciate your answers but frankly it seems to me that you're putting the worship of the dollar ahead of your faith and that the charity versus tax argument is an excuse."

Ironic as I have never told you what I give in charity. However, I prefer this explaination:

Government welfare programs, even those providing temporary relief, are in complete opposition to, and destructive of, acts of Christian charity and are totally inconsistent with Christian tradition.

One of the fundamental tenets of the Christian church is that the human is a creature possessing free will. It is because of the Christian recognition that man has control over his actions by means of his own will, that he is considered responsible for all his actions. (Our system of jurisprudence is built upon this foundation.) It is also held that for a Christian to perform an act of charity and to gain the spiritual rewards for this act, it must be performed by the deliberate intent of the individual. An act of charity — an act of helping those in need — can only be a Christian act when it involves the application of free will.

It is the concept of free will that is absent from all forms of government welfare.

Christian Charity versus Government Welfare
by Thomas L. Johnson, December 1994

By: Loner on 8/12/09 at 11:35

Thank you CAH....Nixon did go to China, and relations between our two nations improved, in spite of it

Just yankin' yer chain, CAH. I agree, Nixon did try to atone for blowing it as prez...the man resigned in disgrace, he was desperate to salvage his legacy. I find it amusing that you would use the "chicoms" (formerly the yellow peril) in your argument. Have you always been a sino-phile?

BTW, I misspelled "vassal" earlier, and you didn't catch it...oh yeah, you just got here. I do welcome your input, CAH, seriously, I do.

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 11:35

I've checked several definitions of charity, and about half of them do not mention the word 'voluntary'.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:38

House,

If charity is not voluntary, is it still charity? After all, charity comes from the heart and the willingness to give, does it not?

I can't understand a definition of charity without that in it.

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 11:42

According to a couple of definitions, it's the act, not the intent. An act could still be considered charitable even if the person on the giving end is an unwilling participant.

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 11:44

Slacker, according to one of the commentators on NPR the other morning, the deal for the two women was made before Clinton stepped on the plane to go to NK. It seems Lil' Kim required Clinton to be the one to come get them because back when he was in office, Clinton turned Lil' Kim down when asked to come to NK to talk to him about nukes.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 11:46

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:32
One of the fundamental tenets of the Christian church is that the human is a creature possessing free will.

He just isn't allowed to exercise his free will.

By: house_of_pain on 8/12/09 at 11:46

BTW, d7, there is nothing wrong with saying "mentally retar..."*POOF*

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:47

House,

"According to a couple of definitions, it's the act, not the intent. An act could still be considered charitable even if the person on the giving end is an unwilling participant."

By that definition, the rich people Robin Hood stole from to give to the poor were giving Charity. That's an illogical definiton, if you ask me.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:48

Blanket,

"He just isn't allowed to exercise his free will."

Sorry but my free will is exercised every day.

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 11:50

Palin and Pelosi walk into a bar.. Palin says, ''hey the bartender has dandruff, somebody needs to give him some Head & Shoulders''.
Pelosi asks, ''How do you give shoulders?''