Letters to the Editor

Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 12:00am

Clinton should be commended

It seems that the hatred and vitriol exhibited by the fringe right wing nuts when Bill Clinton’s name is even mentioned has resurfaced and probably will linger until they all die out.

It's a shame that the ignorant and uncalled for remarks hurled at former president Clinton by these imbeciles because of his act of mercy in going to North Korea on a mission as a private American citizen to try to get two young ladies released from prison and a 12-year sentence of hard labor and was successful.

For this deed he should be held in the highest esteem by all Americans and not vilified for his actions as the ultra right wing are determined to do.

I along with the most Americans appreciate from the bottom of our hearts that Clinton was able to speak for these young women with a voice of reason which resulted in their release instead of threatening with a fake cowboy bravado that they have been used to for the past eight years.

This in itself showed that Americans as a whole are not a bunch of brash bullies. Rush, go to rehab please, and take Mr. Bush with you.

C.W. Clouse, 37209

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249 Comments on this post:

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:50

CAH,

"Slacker, according to one of the commentators on NPR the other morning, the deal for the two women was made before Clinton stepped on the plane to go to NK. It seems Lil' Kim required Clinton to be the one to come get them because back when he was in office, Clinton turned Lil' Kim down when asked to come to NK to talk to him about nukes."

So you're saying he asked for Clinton to rub Clinton's nose in it??? Seems like a lot to go through to get a petty retribution.

By: pandabear on 8/12/09 at 11:52

"By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:38

If charity is not voluntary, is it still charity? After all, charity comes from the heart and the willingness to give, does it not?"

So... does this bring a sense of relief ?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:54

Slacker,

Oh I did NOT need that visual!

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 11:55

Cah, I wish Al had gone with Bubba, and showed ''Great Leader'' his global warming slide show.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 11:56

Panda,

Sure it does...but read my last post - even if it does bring relief, it goes against Christian principles because it is not voluntary charity to bring relief.

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 12:02

Plop, plop, fiz, fiz.

By: Dragon on 8/12/09 at 12:02

Al was not invited to go with Bill. Kim required someone of significant standing. It is true the deal was made before Clinton volunteered to go get them. Kim wanted the status of Clinton appearing before him to ask.

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 12:09

No sino-phile here Loner. (Sorry I pulled a Nemo and misspelled your name earlier.) I used the China/Nixon thing because I couldn't think of anything else until after I posted. Then I thought of the several things GHW-Clinton and GW-Clinton things that others have mentioned. Seems to me that having two, from opposing parties, doing something works better and poses a better image to the world, than anything done by one.

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 12:16

Slacker - that's a great joke. I'm gonna steal it to send to both of my liberal friends and all my other friends as well.

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No Chief, the implication is that Lil Kim thought it would enhance his (Kim's) status.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 12:17

"Bottom line - if you don't agree with Obama and the Democrats, you are evil and should shut up. Their definition of American does not include you."

Now, substitute "Bush...Republicans" and you have what we had over the past 8 years. Politics...sucks, huh?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:19

CAH,

But why not Al rather than Bill? Al's been in the news more than Bill has lately...all that Global Warming stuff. Besides, the two women were there while doing things for Al, if I read it right.

Seems to me Bill was picked so Kim could force Bill to come, since he didn't before by invitation, to get some kind of petty revenge. At least that's how I see it.

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 12:20

Cah, bada bing bada boom...
I'm here all week, try the Buffet.

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 12:22

It is ludicrous to blame Obama for anything that happened prior to implementation of his own policies. The whole housing and financial boondoggle happened because of the Congress Critters in power since 2006, led by Barney Frank, Criss Dodd, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:22

Gdia,

And the political wheel turns round and round. But the current problems stem, IMO, from the fact that Pelosi is showing WAY too much arrogance and the healthcare bill is going to suffer for it.

While this isn't Obama's fault (other than the fact he should have sat on Pelsoi) his bill will still suffer for it. And even if the bill squeaks by, it will still cost the Democrats in the long run...say 2010.

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 12:23

Chief, I agree. Bill didn't look happy, gotta give it to him for going.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:24

CAH,

"It is ludicrous to blame Obama for anything that happened prior to implementation of his own policies. The whole housing and financial boondoggle happened because of the Congress Critters in power since 2006, led by Barney Frank, Criss Dodd, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid."

Well actually it started in the late 1990s...but those you mention do have a hand in this as they were warned as early as 2002 there was a problem but they chose not to act on it.

BTW, Obama does had a small share of the responsibility in this matter because he was in the Senate starting in 2005.

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 12:24

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 1:19

"Seems to me Bill was picked so Kim could force Bill to come, since he didn't before by invitation, to get some kind of petty revenge. At least that's how I see it."

Exactly.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:25

slacker,

"Chief, I agree. Bill didn't look happy, gotta give it to him for going."

Yeah...and he still came out smelling like a rose. The man DOES have a habit of walking thru muck and still coming out clean.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:27

CAH on 8/12/09 at 1:24

Still seems like a lot do go thru for petty revenge. But then he IS a petty dictator. I guess he figured Face was restored or whatever.

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 12:27

Sure, Obama was in the Senate at the time and, when he did vote, he voted the party line. But he was really a minor player while there. Didn't want to make waves prior to his run for the top job.

By: Dragon on 8/12/09 at 12:28

Hillary's not too pleased. Old Bill took too much limelight from her.

By: Loner on 8/12/09 at 12:28

So, the "Lowner" ad nominem (an ad hominem attacking a name) was a mistake - a Fruedian slip, perhaps? I accept your apology, CAH, and your explanation.

As an opponent of rule by royal familes, the combination Bush-Clinton Show is a natural turn-off for me. Some pine for oligarchy and/or a return to Rule by Divine Right, others wish to expedite the return of Christ as our worldly leader. Oy!

After the shoe-throwing incident, I don't expect junior Bush to come out of seclusion and jump onto the world stage to atone for his certitude, hubris and colossal blunders while in office. He's hunkered down in his bunker. I hope he stays there.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:28

CAH,

"Sure, Obama was in the Senate at the time and, when he did vote, he voted the party line. But he was really a minor player while there. Didn't want to make waves prior to his run for the top job."

True...which is why I said he had a smaller share of the responsibility. But it is there and credit must be attributed.

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 12:30

chief, yes he does. He just had his birthday party in Vegas, while Hillary is in the Congo, and its not even his birthday. I love this guy.

By: BenDover on 8/12/09 at 12:31

The economy collapsed on the anticipation of Obama. As it became more and more evident he'd win; the stock market tanked lower and lower. Then when he was elected and he showed that he really believed all the leftist rhetoric he'd been spouting and that he intended to act on it the market really took a turn south.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:31

Dragon,

"Hillary's not too pleased. Old Bill took too much limelight from her."

I think there's more to it and tend to agree with this article here:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzYzNWYzMWRkMTFjYjYyZGIzN2NiYjczNTQ0ZWM5NGI=

Hillary is being marginalized and she doesn't like it one bit, IMO!

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:33

slacker,

"chief, yes he does. He just had his birthday party in Vegas, while Hillary is in the Congo, and its not even his birthday. I love this guy."

Well, I can't say I like the man but you have to respect his ability to pull crap out of the fire when he has to.

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 12:34

A friend of mine who is a stock broker, says that history shows that as the approval rating of a president goes down, the market will move up. Seems to have held true for several decades.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:39

CAH,

And the approval rating of Obama is sliding down and the stock market is picking up. Interesting correlation.

By: Loner on 8/12/09 at 12:47

Ben sez, "The economy collapsed on the anticipation of Obama".

Ben, I had a feeling that you would say something along those lines. If you honestly believe that, I believe that you could rationalize just about anything.

I sense that this "logic" originated in the mind of the GOP's CIO (Chief Intellectual Officer) - Rush Limbaugh.

If what you say is true, we may blame the Israelis for the collapse. That's right, Lehmann Brothers, a US firm, reportedly transferred some $400 billion in assets to it's Israeli affiliates, just before making aliyah and leaving their creditors holding the proverbial bag. The Israeli press does not deny that this happened, they do call those who mention it, "anti-Semitic" ....no surprise there.

The Israelis considered Obama to be an existential threat to the Jewish State even before his election. I know this to be true, because I read their newspapers.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 12:48

You can attribute Obama's poll numbers to health care reform, not the stock market.

By: Loner on 8/12/09 at 12:55

Obama's high ratings were not sustainable. The hate speech has taken its toll. The honeymoon is over, the love fest is history. If Obama gives the Israelis the green light to strike Iran, even old Loner will join the howling protesters. Trust me on that.

By: BenDover on 8/12/09 at 12:58

The demise of health care reform, as with everything Obama, helps the stock market.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 12:59

Gdia,

I don't think CAH was attributing was attributing Obama's poll numbers to the stockmarket. He was submitting the theory that there is an inverse correlation between the popularity of a sitting President and the stock market in general.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 1:01

Loner,

"Obama's high ratings were not sustainable."

While this is absolutely true, the speed of the drop in popularity is rather stunning to me.

By: slacker on 8/12/09 at 1:01

Actually, Obama's poll numbers are still high.

By: BenDover on 8/12/09 at 1:06

Loner, Obama didn't ruin the economy by himself. It was the promise of an uber-lib in the whitehouse complimenting the Pelosi / Reid uber-lib congress that stressed the economy to the breaking point. Remember they'd already laid the groundwork for the previous 18 months with their war on energy and business. Obama is just the over-assured catalyst to this meltdown.

Under Bush and the Repubs we weathered some pretty tough storms and in spite of the media talking the economy down at every opportunity things went pretty well. It took the Obama, Pelosi, Reid concoction to wipe out everyone's 401Ks and put the USA on a freight train ride to bankruptcy.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 1:11

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.
~Bertrand Russell

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 1:13

"While this is absolutely true, the speed of the drop in popularity is rather stunning to me."

Don't you mean exciting or entertaining?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 1:25

gdia,

I mean what I said.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 1:27

But I know what you meant. Maybe if you didn't dedicate the majority of your day posting anti-Obama links I would think differently...

By: CAH on 8/12/09 at 1:30

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 1:48
"You can attribute Obama's poll numbers to health care reform, not the stock market."

Reread what I said. The market is up because of Obama's numbers going down.

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 1:32

Gdia,

Fascinating. And just when did you gain this ability to read minds from long distance?

I post what I find interesting. Sorry if it upsets you but there it is. And frankly, why would I care if he's popular or not? It's irrelevant as he's still President for another 3 1/2 years regardless.

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 1:34

Oh it doesn't upset me, you give yourself too much credit, but your pretty obvious, not only to me, either.

Can I get an "amen"?

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 1:35

Wow...hope we get to see some of this too. Best place to see it is in East Asia, according to the article.

Perseid meteor showers heading your way

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.ad0d72ce8aadd0827a1be99038af7750.411&show_article=1

By: gdiafante on 8/12/09 at 1:36

The market is up because of upbeat economic news, such as the Fed leaving the interest rate alone. Obama's numbers are down because of the blacklash against health care reform.

I wrote that in the simplist terms possible for you CAH, stop watching Spongebob and pay attention.

By: brrrrk on 8/12/09 at 1:36

chief,

First of all, "Christian Charity versus Government Welfare"?

Interesting that you should draw a distinction. Both are acts of charity. Why can't it be Christian Welfare versus Government Charity? Seems the intent is to demonize the Government by using semantics.

"It is because of the Christian recognition that man has control over his actions by means of his own will, that he is considered responsible for all his actions."

Hmmm.. really? Tell that to a guy that worked a good paying middle class factory job for 30 years; only to find out that his job is being outsourced and he's being laid off at the age of 55. He did everything right, he came to work, he was productive, he did everything that was expected of him. A man can only be held responsible for that over which he has absolute control.

"It is also held that for a Christian to perform an act of charity and to gain the spiritual rewards for this act, it must be performed by the deliberate intent of the individual."

Sounds like you're looking for the proverbial pat on the back. I was always taught by my parents that charity in and of itself is it's own reward. I expect neither salvation nor reciprocity. Does giving to a charity or volunteering make me feel good? Yes. But that's not my goal.

Finally, you seem to argue that only religious institutions are qualified to provide aid. Again, really? And can you guarantee that an institution like a church, who's whole system of belief is built around subjective interpretations of life, can fairly distribute aid without malice, prejudice or acts of evangelism? Say what you will about Government charity, but at least it aspires to the idea of being blind to all but need.

Oh, one more thing. I can't believe that you would consider a non-profit institution funded by public donations to be more efficient than a private organization. Why that's so socialist of you. :-)

By: Blanketnazi2 on 8/12/09 at 1:40

amen, g!

By: shenanigan on 8/12/09 at 1:42

President Clinton has been respected around the world better than any other president that has held the office. Bush / Cheney has discrace that office "the president" more than any other president, that include Hoover and Nixon and Spiro Agnew. I am surprise the right is going after President Obama for he is the only president that has a chance of leaving the office of the President with a chance of having a higher rating than president Clinton. guess the George wallace of the south still lives in the south right wings republicans.

Could or will the right wingers get their heads out of the hole that is in the ground and realize that President Obama is also 1/2 white.
Keep up the good work mr.president we do believe you are our president born in USA, and those who have oppose your birth right has a bigger problem in the fact they do not know the difference between their" butt and a hole that is in the ground "

By: chiefpayne568 on 8/12/09 at 1:44

Gdia,

Ok, whatever you say.