Letters to the Editor

Friday, September 18, 2009 at 12:11am

Heaven help us

Free speech and hate speak are two entirely different things. Free speech is guaranteed by The Constitution but hate speak and inciting violence is not.

The atmosphere that is created by the hate mongering of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck — two of the worst among a bevy of fringe right hate mongers — only serves to create and atmosphere that is extremely dangerous for our president and his cabinet members that refuse to bow to their vitriol.

These right wingers know that there are more unbalanced right wing nuts out there than them and will listen to their bitter rhetoric and act on it. The Republican Party has lost its way and refuses to refute these crackpots.

I think that the networks are complicit in aiding and abetting these hate mongers and should be held accountable along with them if any situations of violence arise as a result of their hate speak. Right wing hate mongering has been responsible for several assassinations and attempted assassinations.

Remember if you falsely yell ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theater, it is not covered by the Constitution. So I really don't think the kind of hatred that Limbaugh and company spew is either.

If the true conservatives don't get tough and try to take their party back heaven help us all.

C.W.Clouse, 37209

Comment via e-mail to letters@nashvillecitypaper.com

224 Comments on this post:

By: Kosh III on 9/18/09 at 12:21

""How about we stop having Bud Light at all our meetings?"

Egads! What a vile and disgusting comment. We are discussing serious issues: it's COORS Light! :)

By: MamaG on 9/18/09 at 12:22

No, no, no, it's MGD 64! LOL

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/18/09 at 12:25

"With the change in presidency from George Bush to Barack Obama, the US has signaled a desire to reform future spending and already indicated significant changes for the FY 2010 defense budget. For example, the US has indicated that it will cut some high-tech weapons that are deemed as unnecessary or wasteful, and spend more on troops and reform contracting practices and improve support for personnel, families and veterans."

http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending#USMilitarySpending

By: Kosh III on 9/18/09 at 12:27

Why do we still occupy W. Germany? Withdraw all our European troops, our Korean based troops. Let them take care of their own selves. They can afford it.
Continue to get out of Iraq pdq. Ditto Afghanistan.
Remove all our DEA troops from Central and South America.

Have a military just large enough to defend our territory, the 48 plus Hawaii. Alaska is safe as long as Palin is there; who'd want to take her over?
Air and Naval forces can remain but at lower levels; the British proved in the Argentine war that a Navy combined with airpower was still an effective tool.

By: Kosh III on 9/18/09 at 12:30

Eliminate the mercenary forces such as Blackwater. In the past it was regular military who did what they now do---for a heck of a lot less money.
Ever since Reagan cutnran from Beirut, we have used mercenaries to protect diplomats and such instead of using Marines and other regular forces.
Blackwater will just have to work for an honest living like the rest of us instead of getting no-bid buddy-buddy contracts at over-inflated prices.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 12:35

Chief: If the USA want's to declare war on a soveriegn nation, fine with me. But they (the President) better get it 100% right. No room for error, no"oops", no, the CIA got the "intel" wrong....this Iraqi war is 100% bullsh**t, and any 7th grader can tell you that. The karma the USA has inflicted upon itself will last for decades. We're NOT safer now. We're more vunerable. Obama, like many past presidents, is up to his ears in "if I pull out, will it get worse?" Guy's only 48 years old. He's no seerer, no Gandhi. Obama doesn't come from a long lineage of brillant thinkers like Einstein. His mother's dead, his father's dead. His grandma's dead. Obama is 100% "Obama". No "Kennedy mystique", no "Kennedy Camelot". No Bush Sr., Prescott, dynasty going on. They should of pulled the plug on this "war" 5 years ago.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/18/09 at 12:36

http://armscontrolcenter.org/policy/securityspending/?gclid=CIrV_rfm-5wCFVhh2godXlZrbg

By: Kosh III on 9/18/09 at 12:39

I just found a print edition of NCP
A letter from Chris Farrell says
"This issue is the last Thursday edition....."

Then goes no to sing the praises of the new merger and how much better the Scene will be, how the Scene will do this that and the other, the Scene the Scene......

Near the end it says it wil continue a glorious and wonderful Monday print edition.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/18/09 at 12:43

now the ads are anger management and economic outlook.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 12:46

Blanket,

"With the change in presidency from George Bush to Barack Obama, the US has signaled a desire to reform future spending and already indicated significant changes for the FY 2010 defense budget."

These cuts have already been programmed in. Do you have others?

By: house_of_pain on 9/18/09 at 12:46

"How to Make Electricity" is up there now...is that really a good idea around here?

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 12:49

Dargent,

"Obama, like many past presidents, is up to his ears in "if I pull out, will it get worse?" Guy's only 48 years old. He's no seerer, no Gandhi. Obama doesn't come from a long lineage of brillant thinkers like Einstein. His mother's dead, his father's dead. His grandma's dead. Obama is 100% "Obama". No "Kennedy mystique", no "Kennedy Camelot". No Bush Sr., Prescott, dynasty going on. They should of pulled the plug on this "war" 5 years ago."

Hey, Obama's the one who said he was ready to take the reins and could hit the ground running. Guys like me said he was too inexperienced. Well, inexperienced or not, he WON. So, now HE has to deal with the problems handed him, like it or not, seerer or not, Gandhi or not!

The man said he could handle it. So now he has to deal with it!

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/18/09 at 12:50

chief, you're not going to agree with anything i say so what's the point? i notice you've chosen to ignore Kosh and dargent.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 12:55

Kosh,

Well, it was Blanket who brought it up but../

"Why do we still occupy W. Germany? Withdraw all our European troops, our Korean based troops. Let them take care of their own selves. They can afford it.
Continue to get out of Iraq pdq. Ditto Afghanistan.
Remove all our DEA troops from Central and South America."

Ok...if we close every OCONUS post all over the world, we will have a surplus of soldiers as we cannot house them in the posts in the US. So...we go to point 2:

"Have a military just large enough to defend our territory, the 48 plus Hawaii. Alaska is safe as long as Palin is there; who'd want to take her over?"

Alaska is part of the US, like it or not. So ok, we cut the miltary down...how many soldiers do you think we need to defend the US? Remember that once you lose soldiers, it is very difficult to get them back. Also, you have to keep SOME senior guys to train the newbies. Oh and not all the guys you keep are going to be fighters...you have to have some support people as well...logistics, personnel, finance, ordinance, maintenance, transportation.

"Air and Naval forces can remain but at lower levels; the British proved in the Argentine war that a Navy combined with airpower was still an effective tool."

Indeed...as long as you have a non-landlocked area you need to fight.

"Eliminate the mercenary forces such as Blackwater. In the past it was regular military who did what they now do---for a heck of a lot less money."

True...but then you would have to have a larger Army and have housing to maintain them. Oh and you'll also have to maintain some blackops, like they had in Viet Nam too.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 12:56

I think we should make it policy, amongst ourselves, as true "Tea Baggers", that we STOP with the URL's, links, web site addresses in our posts. If they would light up in that cool blue color, a right mouse click away, I could see it. But who's going to write down these foot long addresses? Aren't our own post's allwful enough, we need "attachments" to bring more attention to our idiotic statements?

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 12:57

Blanket,

"chief, you're not going to agree with anything i say so what's the point? i notice you've chosen to ignore Kosh and dargent."

I haven't ignored them...just getting to them one at a time. I'm not disagreeing with you...just saying that it's easier to SAY we need to cut the military...but actually DOING it is a lot harder and you have to take some serious responsibility when it hits the fan and you're not ready.

That's what happened when we cut back the military in the 1990s and then had to go fight a 2 front war. We were unprepared and a lot of guys died in those first years because of that.

By: house_of_pain on 9/18/09 at 12:58

www.sounds.like.a.personal.problem.to.me.com/

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/18/09 at 1:00

we didn't "have" to fight a 2 front war.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 1:03

Nazix2: It's OK...other posters today picked up the slack calling me a "impertinent swine" and a "despicable human being". You'd think getting 2 LTE's in this trash mag and 2 in the Tennessean this week would pull some weight. Not so. So, I'll outlive the bastards...I'll write more drivel. It's like the reverse Jedi Mind Trick.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/18/09 at 1:05

funny, i've yet to see a swine act in an impertinent manner. hmmm.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 1:07

Blanket,

"we didn't "have" to fight a 2 front war."

True, but we got into them anyway by Presidential order and Congressional approval.

Either way, we were unprepared...and paid the price for it. We were told that Desert Storm showed what air superiority could do and that we didn't need as many soldiers as we had.

By: house_of_pain on 9/18/09 at 1:08

"funny, i've yet to see a swine act in an impertinent manner. hmmm."

Only because you've never been to a barbecue at my house.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 1:08

Chief: I remember in the 90's under Clinton, nit-wits were saying he's decimating the defense budget by "slashing" it to $286. billion. Now, it's at $530. billion. The USA is it's own worst enemy. The countries we're now calling"coallition" and "alliances" will bite us in the ass 10 years from now.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 1:09

Dargent,

I don't see you as a "impertinent swine" and a "despicable human being".

I think you're pretty ardent about what you believe and extremely anti-war...but that's about it.

I mean, I haven't seen you insult people or call them names, like some on here have.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 1:11

d'pain: And stop spreading all those URL's and STD's yourself. We've got enough already.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/18/09 at 1:11

lol, house! are there any impertinent chickens at your BBQ too?

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/18/09 at 1:11

house, your BBQ brought up a tooth ache ad!

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 1:12

I think the insult came from someone who saw me in the 'Incontinent" aisle at Wallgreens. I was just planning ahead.

By: house_of_pain on 9/18/09 at 1:12

Nah, I don't invite the neighbors.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/18/09 at 1:13

nice retort. 8~)

By: sidneyames on 9/18/09 at 1:17

More of your Prezidente' at work CHANGING the way the U.S. works:
"RICHMOND, Mass. – Gov. Deval Patrick said Friday that President Barack Obama had personally talked to him about changing the Senate succession law in Massachusetts, and White House aides were pushing for him to gain the power to temporarily replace the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy amid the administration's health care push.

A month after a White House spokesman labeled the issue a state matter, Patrick said he and Obama spoke about changing the law as they both attended Kennedy's funeral in Boston last month".
First they changed it so Teddy could get in; now they'll change it so an O'bama supporter can get in. No more fair elections in this country. Let O'bama appoint our State Senators and Congressmen. That's what he wants to do. First Illinois, now Mass.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/18/09 at 1:19

Yeah, because "Prezidente" Bush sure didn't try to change anything.

By: house_of_pain on 9/18/09 at 1:19

Now we'll see an ad for Preparation H.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 1:21

Chief: Thanks....but I told "House" to stop spreading his URL's and STD's....without a prescription.

By: Dragon on 9/18/09 at 1:21

You knew Mass. was going to change the law to benefit the Democrats. It even requires that the replacement be "from the same party".

Of course, if there is a Republican Senator or Governor, they will just change the law again. Talk about crooked politicians.

By: house_of_pain on 9/18/09 at 1:22

Over-the-counter gonorrhea?

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 1:26

Dargent,

And I was ONE of those who said he AND the Legislature decimated the military. I believe they cut the ranks down WAY too much. And of course it's more now...they got rid of a lot of the career soldiers and now they have to pay more to get people to join and to stay in during a wartime situation.

BTW, they also cut back on the training expenditures, the maintenance expenditures, the R & D for new equipment. Frankly, I'm surprised the total budget didn't go up even higher, since we had to make up for the years of these we lost.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 1:28

Blanket,

"Yeah, because "Prezidente" Bush sure didn't try to change anything"

Well, in this case, if it isn't broke, don't fix it.

By: Dragon on 9/18/09 at 1:30

And we are still in that situation, with no enough troops for the immediate needs even with hiring private firms to provide security and logistics.

By: Captain Nemo on 9/18/09 at 1:31

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 11:47
Nemo,

"Bush spent one third of his time away from office on vaction. Maybe more than anyone eles."

Ok...so how much time has Obama spent physically IN the White House since he was elected?
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Obama has spent 28 days away from the White House on Business.

By: Kosh III on 9/18/09 at 1:32

Chief

OCONUS? What is that?

What to do with surplus personnel, don't they have expiration dates for their service. Let attrition take care of it, it won't be an overnight thing anyway. As to what they will do? dunno, now that the corporations have shipped all the decent jobs to China or wherever.
We will still need some troops esp. on our southern border to keep out border jumpers.

The specifics I leave up to the experts who make more in a month than I do in a year. I'm just the idea guy. :)

But we need to dismantle our Empire and follow Washington's advice about entangling foreign affairs or whatever the exact quote is. Ditto Ike's warning about the military-industrial complex.

By: pswindle on 9/18/09 at 1:32

I do not remember the NRA carrying guns to Bush's speeches. If that had happened, they would have put them in jail for years. Bush had some of the hate, but nothing to compare to what has happened to President Obama.

By: Kosh III on 9/18/09 at 1:34

"dar you ignorant slut!"

Signed
Dan Ackroyd

PS Francisco Franco is STILL dead!

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 1:35

Chief: The core issue you miss, is that the USA DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AT WAR all the time. "War on two fronts...now it's two wars on two fronts....$286. billion a year in 1996 was a "decimation"? You guys want nothing more than Abrams M-1a tanks that cost $30 million a copy. F-22-A's that cost $60 million a copy. Osprey's that can't fly, at $35 million a copy. An the USA was brought to it's knees, hurt, 2,800 killed, by 19 as**oles with boxcutters. Boxcutters you can buy at ACE Hardware for $2.99 each. You do the math.

By: Blanketnazi2 on 9/18/09 at 1:35

pswindle, remember when protestors couldn't wear anti-Bush t-shirts, let alone bring guns?

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 1:35

Dargent,

"Thanks....but I told "House" to stop spreading his URL's and STD's....without a prescription."

And here I thought House was over the counter!

By: Captain Nemo on 9/18/09 at 1:39

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 1:10
Blanket,

Still waiting to hear where you would cut the military.
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Blanket, I know were we could chiefly could cut government waste.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 1:39

K-3: That's the nicest complement anyone's given me all day.

By: chiefpayne568 on 9/18/09 at 1:40

Dargent,

While you are correct that we don't have to be at war all the time, we DO need to be PREPARED to go to war at ANY time. That's part of the responsibility of the US government...to defend the country. You can't just drop everything and go to war at the drop of a hat...you have to have soldiers trained, equipped and prepped for battle.

BTW, the REASON the US was hurt (but NEVER brought to our knees!) by the jerks with boxcutters is the fact the standard practise at that time was to just let the ones hijacking the plane take you where they wanted to go...and then they let you go. The procedure got a bunch of people killed.

Now, we don't bargain with terrorists and I can pretty much guarantee you that they sure wouldn't go unchallenged on a plane by holding a boxcutter anymore.

By: dargent7 on 9/18/09 at 1:41

Chief: "House" deals strictly "under the table".