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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 at 12:05am
Spares no expense
Remind me not to vacation to Alabama anytime soon. Seems some nut there "loves Sarah Palin so much" she's forking out $63,500 for a four-hour lunch with the former vice presidential candidate.
All of it is going to charity, but knowing Palin, she'll skim a little off the top for "expenses." And of course, stiff the waiter.
Paul D'Argent, 37209
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Holy...! Is this true?! Did anyone else see this? I know it's on AP, but did anyone see it anywhere else, like CNN, or Foxnews or wherever?
Senate Finance panel rejects govt insurance option
http://tinyurl.com/yaky8cc
Um, yeah, it's on all the major news sites...and wasn't this expected?
You crack me up Chief, you're so full of it...lol
They're refining the bill. Isn't that what you wanted? Sheesh. Never happy.
"The maneuvering occurred as the committee plunged into a second week of public debate on legislation that generally adheres to conditions that President Barack Obama has called for. The bill includes numerous new consumer protections, including a ban on companies denying insurance on the basis of pre-existing conditions. At the same time it provides government subsidies to help lower-income Americans afford insurance that is currently beyond their means. It also includes steps that supporters say will begin to slow the rate of growth in health care costs nationwide."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090929/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul
Gdia,
Hey, I've been out of it for some time...kids with flu!
i know, g. what a friggin' drama queen.
I thought that Baucus would have caved. The one article I read did not mention a government "exchange".
The Baucus bill will still have a hard time with the funding portion. The unions will scream, the medical device manufacturers will scream, and, of course, the insurance companies will scream.
I noticed one of Obama's commercials has him now saying no deficits over ten years. His speech to congress said not now, not in the future. Ooops.
I knew that would bring out our Pampers Plus friend...
Blanket,
Wow...being called a drama queen from such drama royalty as you! SUCH an honor! LOL
Open the door, a parrot got in.
Chief: It's "Gotcha"...Sara Palin's mantra. Or was her's, "You Betch-ya"? See, we Detroit Lion's may go 1-19, but we're always comin' back.
Dragon,
I actually thought Baucus would cave too. Amazing that he didn't.
Oh I have no expectations that the Baucus bill will ever get thru the House....Pelosi will see to that...but what this DOES show is that Pelosi's bill will have a hard time, if not an impossible time, making it thru the Senate as well. So...it may signal that NO healthcare reform will pass this year.
"So...it may signal that NO healthcare reform will pass this year."
Dragon and Chief just creamed their panties.
Dargent,
Ok...whatever. Point is, people need to stop taking things personally and have good conversation...even if it leads to agreeing to disagree.
Gdia,
A tacky comment...but if you mean, am I happy that a bad bill won't pass, then yes I am.
I meant you creamed your panties, don't your understand English?
Rhetorical, nevermind.
Gdia,
Classless comment, so in keeping with your mindset.
Whutz Inglizz?
You have no idea about my mindset from a few posts on this forum. What a pompous ass you are.
Anyone agree?
I dare say that the Democrats will shove something through even though the majority of Americans oppose it. Obama will sign whatever they give him, even though he promised not to.
"First, I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits -- either now or in the future. I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period."
Any bets?
Chief will take your bet...you two stooges are predictable.
Health care reform is probably moribund and if so, The issue will not be re-introduced for years, if ever again, IMO.
Obama has put a lot of effort into this thing, if it fails, the bloom will be off the rose. The righties will slap each other on the back and crow like cocky roosters.
Bibi recently played Obama for a fool, if Obama loses on this health issue, he will look even more foolish and naive. This is a critical period in hs presidency and the Obama haters know it. Good luck, Mister President.
Don't let the rhetoric fool you Loner, they don't want any reform. They want everything just the way it is...the middle class getting screwed. The ironic part is that most who whine the loudest now fall into that category, they're too stupid to know it.
gdiafante said
"Dragon and Chief just creamed their panties."
I'm sure they're dancing on others people graves with glee.
And by the way, I see nothing classy about people dying at the expense of a profit.
g, i totally concur. and yes, it is ironic that they are among the ones getting screwed and they're supporting the insurance companies who are doing it. what a bunch of morons.
chief trying to tell g he is classless: priceless. what a hypocrit.
The tragic part is that sensible healthcare reform is very achievable. Unfortunately, the Democrats in control are insisting on heavy-handed mandates, punitive taxes, and iron-fisted regulation of the insurance industry.
Gdia,
I can only determine your mindset from the posts you make...but given that background, the statement stands.
Panties? Cream? Would you like that wadded or creamed, sir?
Hey, we're all adults here, right? A little off-color humor isn't so bad, or is it?
It's 4:20 here, time for tea.
Loner,
I concur with your assessment. And contrary to others opinions, I am not against healthcare reform...I am simply against this bill as it is presented.
I do believe some reform is needed...just not this.
Gd: It has to obvious by now, since I wrote the LTE, and the "pile on" started at 3:00am, these people/ "posters" are looking to "project".
This board is like the board game we played as 8 year olds, "Candyland". At that age, who gave a sh**t? Then it was "Monopoly". A little older, more ego at stake. Then "Hearts". Then Poker/ Gin Rummy. Then professional gambling. It's a progression. This TCP "board" is about 6-8th grade. It will never change.
However, on this board, it's all played for real, but it's not real. No one's ever met anyone, know's anybody. It's a joke, but fun.
The great and powerful OZ, has spoken.
Don't let the rhetoric fool you Loner, they don't want any reform. They want everything just the way it is...the middle class getting screwed. The ironic part is that most who whine the loudest now fall into that category, they're too stupid to know it.
Giadifante said that; well said.
I second that "notion". It's not the dirt poor who will suffer; they don't have any more to wring out of them. And the filthy rich (and it's OK to be filthy rich) have built their wealth and will figure out how not to suffer (or else why would OPRAH love this man so much; she's figured it out).
Its the middle income folks who will suffer. O'bama and biden have dictated that $250,000 is rich. ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Loner,
A little off-color humor yes...a constant stream, no.
250M may not be "rich" but I'd sure take that for a yearly income and be happy. I'd be happy to pay taxes on it as well, esp. if it was for the right reason: to help my fellow citizens.
Dargent,
The projection is not on my part, at least. Neither is the off-color humor that Loner mentions. I am simply trying to make statements that Gdia disagrees with and he continually makes rather bawdy statements. Rather ridiculous, if you ask me.
Kosh,
It wasn't $250 Million, it was $250 K...and sure I'd take that too...and as long as I got to keep most of it, I wouldn't complain. But consider that if they raise the tax level to 40%, you only get to keep $150 K. Granted that is still quite a bit, unless you were making 250 K before and were paying 33% before. Suddenly you have a lot less than you did...about $17,500 a year actually.
And you are good-hearted enough to say you wouldn't mind...fair enough. But what about people who have bills and that need that extra $17,500 a year? They will cut back where they can, including charities.
Chief, I've been on these boards for years, sadly, there isn't any "constant stream" of off-color humor. What there is resembles more of a series of mud puddles.
The GOP would be backing health care reform, if they had thought of it first, before the Democrats grabbed the banner. The Republicans are reactionary, they have no new ideas of their own.The GOP is in lock-step mode, there are no mavericks in that herd. The Republicans are undemocratic by nature, preferring unanimous, unquestioning, unified action as opposed to honest dissent and constructive criticism from within their own ranks They fear change and defend the flawed status quo. In short, they are the party of losers.
Blanket,
First, I will disregard your comment about being a hypocrite as I understand why you say that...still upset, I see.
Second, why would I want to change being screwed by the insurance companies for being screwed worse by the government? Either way, I'd be getting screwed but at least it wouldn't be as bad.
chiefpayne568 said
"And you are good-hearted enough to say you wouldn't mind...fair enough. But what about people who have bills and that need that extra $17,500 a year? They will cut back where they can, including charities."
And why SHOULD charities be necessary.
"Please, sir, can I have some more?"
Loner,
"The GOP would be backing health care reform, if they had thought of it first, before the Democrats grabbed the banner. The Republicans are reactionary, they have no new ideas of their own.The GOP is in lock-step mode, there are no mavericks in that herd. The Republicans are undemocratic by nature, preferring unanimous, unquestioning, unified action as opposed to honest dissent and constructive criticism from within their own ranks They fear change and defend the flawed status quo. In short, they are the party of losers."
So you think that the GOP have NEVER thought of this before...ever? Really, I thought you smarter. It most likely was considered but never had been considered a priority before now. It is the collective conscienous of the American people that drives the priorities of Congress.
At any rate, I believe this reform is destined for failure...not because healthcare reform isn't necessary, but because the manner in which the reform is being done will be resisted due to too many problems with the bill...at least as it is now.
I also believe if Congress fails to do SOME kind of welfare reform, it will reflect badly on the DNC.
brrrrk, chief wants his church to act as a charity so that they can divvy it out according to who buys their dogma.
chief, whether i like you or not, you're still a hypocrit.
Blanket,
Perhaps...at least I would control how much I would like to give and have some measure of control as to where it went.
Seems reasonable to me.
chiefpayne568 said
"Second, why would I want to change being screwed by the insurance companies for being screwed worse by the government? Either way, I'd be getting screwed but at least it wouldn't be as bad."
Claims denial rates by leading California insurers, first six months of 2009:
* PacifiCare -- 39.6 percent
* Cigna -- 32.7 percent
* HealthNet -- 30 percent
* Kaiser Permanente -- 28.3 percent
* Blue Cross -- 27.9 percent
* Aetna -- 6.4 percent
And they're all making big profits.
see, it's all about control with you, huh? if someone doesn't agree with you, well, no food or healthcare for them! huh.
brrrrk,
"And why SHOULD charities be necessary."
AH, so you believe the government should take care of everyone and that charities should not exist.
Wow...pretty socialist (communist?) attitude, I must say.
chiefpayne568 said
"Perhaps...at least I would control how much I would like to give and have some measure of control as to where it went.
Seems reasonable to me."
And we come full circle back to Chief's Chri$tian morality.
how about secular, chief?
Blanket,
LOLOLOL Control, yes...but not the way you think! Control as in putting the food where it should go. Giving to those who can't work. LOL
You should work for the government Blanket...you're very good at twisting what others say. At any rate, charities do a lot of good work...work that the governments shouldn't be doing.
indeed, brrrk. his type would love for the U.S. to be closer to a christian theocracy than it already is.